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4/17/2005 4:24 PM
    Below is a paragraph review of Bloc Party as a band. Further down is a one word review, if you want to skip to the chase. Its only my opinion of course but i think Bloc Party aren't very good at all, at all. I dont tend to bitch about other bands but to hear people say that "they are the future of music" makes me very very worried. Musically they are crap, not one decent musician in the band. The guitar playing is awful (clangy guitar with one chord plucked over and over, oh yeah and over again)- their songs the Answer and Tulips being prime examples. Its awfully bad. The bass player has the same style in the two songs above, repeating and pounding on the same root note again and again. Personally it bores me. Boring music. Did anyone see them in Whelans? Didnt get a chance, was watering the flowers. By any chance did they just get on stage and regurgitate exactly what the records sound like. I could make better music with the pots and pans form my kitchen and the cuckoo clock. One word review: (very, very, excruciatingly) "boring" Had to get that one off my chest.
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    4/17/2005 5:04 PM
    "musically they are crap" - wow, how informative! If you're going to "review" a band, please make it known that perhaps, at one moment in your life you were semi-literate. So, if you want it from the horse's mouth, here's an interview with a member of the band. Bloc Party Interview BLOC PARTY, SO HERE THEY ARE (an interview with Gordy) Now, at the beginning of 2005, it’s hard to determine what the most exiting thing about Bloc Party. On one side, you have a band as fresh, sharp and raw as a smack across the face from a hefty salmon, who, despite the assertive lyrical statements of “I’m on Fire!” and “I can give you life/I can take it away” appear utterly vulnerable. The other side in this unequal equation is the cause of that vulnerability, an unprecedented amount of attention from press, TV, radio and the public. So here they are, and there’s nothing much they can to about it but hold it down. Grabbing a lamppost in the gale force shouting of a media determined to transplant boys with guitars out of the basement clubs and on to the pages of ‘Heat’. This new age of celebrity perhaps comes from the evolution of the traditional celeb, whose every action is run through a succession of PR filters before it reaches the hungry press. Rock stars in their twenties are a whole different thing altogether. There have very few minders to stop them going out getting b****xed and throwing kebabs at photographers. Their drug use is displayed openly and almost with humour, not like the murky cover-ups of Hollywood starlets. The link between media-management-band is blurred. In fact, for this very article, I was tossed Gordy’s cell phone number to call whenever I liked on a given day. That doesn’t happen with even the most unheard of boy band. The outcome of this may be a media losing interest with the antics of smack-taking, guitar-smashing, guerrilla-gigging and model-f**king twenty-two year olds. Or, it maybe the advent of a PR bastion usually reserved for pop artist and the rest of the celebrity ladder, A to D list. It was The Libertines who slowly kick-started this public relations revolution, along with the phenomenon of guerrilla gigging. The attention given to this band and their affiliates has been so intense that some have begun to even question their very existence, relating their presence to a Baudrillard media simulation in the meta-narrative of rock and roll. They are, of course real in flesh and blood, but now, not in many other terms. Fortunately for Bloc Party, they have one advantage for their survival in the near future. Their music screams louder and with more clarity than any battle cry of ‘THE NEXT FRANZ FERDINAND’. A beautifully curious collection of rhythms, riffs and yelps, Bloc Party, despite what you may read, are not particularly in tune with the Zeitgeist of The Killers and The Bravery (notice the very American obviousness of trend hijacking). Their noise is less populist than Kaiser Chiefs, far more constructed than The Libertines and with none of Franz Ferdinand’s irony. What emerges is a purity, perhaps not seen with such impact since Oasis. I for one certainly do not remember a band whose very existence (along, of course with their music) is having such an impact on the music media. Most importantly, it remains still remains a joy and on some level, a relief to discover that behind all the s**t, Bloc Party make beautiful music. It must be a busy day for you (today, the album, Silent Alarm is released) Yeah. We’ve done a couple of radio things, and a TV piece, which goes out tonight. I think this will be the last thing we do today. Are you worried about where the album will chart? Not worried, I never was particularly worried. We’ve done what we hoped to do, but I heard that maybe it’s heading for top three, which is, well, y’know. This last short while of your gigs, single releases, album recording, interviews and never-ending press. You’ve come under such scrutiny. Why do you think all of that happened? I don’t know. It’s a bit scary when you put it like that. I could understand it if it happened before. I think the press kind of seize on things when there’s something in the air. I think the Franz Ferdinand thing has something to do with it. Like, I think Franz Ferdinand came as a surprise to people. Now people say it could happen again. I’m not the best person to speculate on the reasons. The more we’re asked to speculate, the less real it becomes, and the less control we will have over what happens. People talk about the cycle of music, and how guitar music is in resurgence again. It’s difficult to say. Then, you begin to wonder, are we actually a product of a trend or not? My opinion is there’s probably been a gap for a band to really be taken to heart. That hasn’t happened of late, they’ve been more throwaway. Are you frightened of a backlash? It’s more a question of ‘when’ rather than ‘if’. The most important opinion of us is the people who listen to our music and buy our music. I suppose, it will be interesting to see what, creatively the outcome will be. None of us want to come under pressure and make an angry record. At the same time, we want to be kept on our toes. Could you sum up your personal experience of being in your position at this moment? What you’re really asking is what it’s like. What is it like? Em, it’s kind of a bit, well, for want of avoiding cliché, the rollercoaster. You find moments of complete rush. Like, last night, at the NME awards. The night was a bit of the scene congratulating itself but playing the song we did in front of such influential people, I came off stage and my heart was really pumping. Excitement like that is scary. What is your best memory from the NME tour? I think what I came out of that tour with was making a bunch of friends. My new best friend is Ricky from Kaiser Chiefs. We had to share a dressing room. We were the bottom two bands so, there wasn’t always a room for everyone. We found we got quite used to it. I think when you’re in a band, the more success you get, the more you’re handled with kid gloves, so it was nice to have those moments of camaraderie I suppose. When everyone wants a piece of you, how do you make sure there is something left for yourself? That’s a really good question. I think you purposely keep something back. We talk about what we’ve done, we don’t talk in great detail about stuff we do away from it. We are really busy with it, and you keep it in perspective. We aren’t the kind of band who will be falling out of trendy bars, because then, you’re life becomes public property. We see that it’s important to see that distinction. We’re mostly concerned with getting on with what we’ve been doing and creating music free of distraction. You can do it, sustain a personal life and family. Any artist should be able to work and relax and carry on a normal existence. I think like, you know, if you take modern artists and painters, these aren’t people that are followed around. The ideal is to be judged on your work and nothing else, not on the parties you go to or the people you hang out with it. I suppose Pete Doherty is a good example of how that can be screwed up… It’s a real shame, depending on who much you think of The Libertines as a band. The sad thing is, he potentially was one of the more human faces of the rock scene. He was looking to make it more honest and raw. But, maybe he got to close to that, maybe that was his problem. I think he got to exposed to it. He has become a shadow of what a musician should be celebrated for. It’s a real shame. Somebody is to blame. I’m going to say any names, but someone is, including himself. It’s quite sad really. What’s your favourite song on the album? It tends to change, which I suppose is a good thing. It used to be ‘Positive Tension’, but I always come back to ‘This Modern Love’. It seems to be one of the purest. We all love playing that song. If it all ended tomorrow, what memory from this experience would you take with you? I think there’s a lot. I remember how it feels to get played on radio, the real schoolboy excitement. I think going on stage at the Reading festival in front of 5,000 people…I suppose you’ll have to wait for the autobiography.
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    4/17/2005 5:49 PM
    If you want to know how the Whelan's gig went, check out this live review: http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/bloc_party.htm
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    4/17/2005 6:26 PM
    I had this album about a month b4 it actually came out. I had read the hype in the UK music press about this lot and was quite looking forward to getting into it. It was a major disapointment to say the least when I got around to listening to it. I gave it a chance to grow on me too but I can't understand the hype here with this band. I have spoken to a lot of people who are also of the same opinion. As for the review of sorts by 'The Face' above, I would on evidence of giving this album a good few listens have to say that I would agree in general with the point he is trying to make. As for Una's comments ??? Well safe to say the the face touched a nerve with his comments on your fave band, but at the end of the day, he is entitled to his opinion as is eveyone else here. I don't know why you bothered to cut and paste that feature/interview, but I reckon they just might be as interesting as their music so I'm giving it a miss.
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    4/17/2005 7:14 PM
    they're not my favourite band, but my retort was less offensive than the face's uninformed comment. If it was articulated in a reasonable way, then I wouldn't care. Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when you say something like "they are crap", i mean, come on, there's no point to it. I'm not talking about content of thought, I'm talking about its execution. And I posted the interview so anyone who wanted to read it could see what the band themselves thought about the 'hype'.
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    4/17/2005 7:32 PM
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    they're not my favourite band, but my retort was less offensive than the face's uninformed comment. If it was articulated in a reasonable way, then I wouldn't care. Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when you say something like "they are crap", i mean, come on, there's no point to it. I'm not talking about content of thought, I'm talking about its execution. And I posted the interview so anyone who wanted to read it could see what the band themselves thought about the 'hype'.
    his uninformed comment??? if he's heard the music he is informed enough to provide relevant comment on it. For someone who does not like somthing and to refer to it is crap, may be straight to the point but at least it makes a point. I have listened to the music myself and in my opinion he is quite obviously correct in his comments. But hey, if you like em good for you. You wouldnt happen to be a student by any chance Una ?
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    4/17/2005 7:42 PM
    i just don't like people throwing out comments without reasoning. It's lazy.
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    4/17/2005 7:49 PM
    oh, that and the fact that the comments were generally inaccurate: "not one decent musician in the band" I think most musicians themselves would disagree on this one. In my opinion, their drummer is one of the best to emerge in years. Really inventive stuff. I don't work for Bloc Party or anything! I just don't understand why someone would bother to inject venom into an attack and then not make a good argument. If you feel strongly about something, it's generally easier to get a point across, which leads me to beleive that The Face was attacking for the sake of it. Pretty pointless. In my (humble) opinion, 'So Here We Are', 'Like Eating Glass', 'Helicopter', 'She's Hearing Voices' and 'Banquet' are tracks of the year, any year.
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    4/17/2005 8:25 PM
    I bought the album when it came out and besides "Like Eating Glass" which I really liked I wasn't nuts about anything else. Since then I've given it a few listens and I must admit that it has grown on me. I passed on the opportunity to interview them last week. Stupid Stupid Stupid Don't worry Eoghan, it wasn't for here.
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    4/17/2005 8:52 PM
    While everyone will not like every band, I do agree that if you are to label them crap then you should back that up with a solid argument. Bloc Party are a really good band, both live and on cd....in my opinion. And I would agree with Una that Matt Tong is a top drummer aswell as 'Silent Alarm' being a top album. There are two album reviews on this site which might give a further insight. Unicron, I also passed on an interview with them before the album came out. tut tut tut
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    4/18/2005 12:20 AM
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    i just don't like people throwing out comments without reasoning. It's lazy.
    he heard the music, didnt like it, commented as such, and you dont like it ? sorry but thats life, live with it, disagree with it but dont f**king get your knickers in a knot ! the tone and content of your reply only made you come accross as a bit of a pompous arsehole in my opinion, not that thats worth f**k all but thats my opinion. As for your comments Gar, he did back himself up to an extent, if you read his original post again. I'm happy that yourself and Una like Bloc Party and get something from it but why pick on this bloke for expressing his opinion ? If you disagree with what he wrote fair enough, but whats all this w**k about how he should back himself up yadda yadda ??? f**king Pat Gilbert eat yer heart out !
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    4/18/2005 8:00 AM
    Sorry if i offended anyone or that my review techniques arent as quite informed or educated as others. I listened to a few tracks and gathered and opinion, made a statement and then picked out the main disappointing elements of the music and mentioned them with reference to certain songs. What is the point in posting up a whole interview with a band member? I was on their website and over and over i read in posts "great band, great look, great hair". "Great hair" I think maybe its time to get real and actually start listening to the music again. But if anyone has any real evdience for their great musicianship, please throw it my way? I'd love to be proved wrong.
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    4/18/2005 8:04 AM
    Bloc party are s**te, Drummer is quirky not good and gets repetitive, time to learn a new beat i think. They are also image obsessed w**k.
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    4/18/2005 10:05 AM
    ""Great hair" I think maybe its time to get real and actually start listening to the music again." "They are also image obsessed w**k." I think it's funny that in 2005, people decided that an 'image' in rock music was a new thing, and a bad thing, as if previously it had only been the preserve of boybands and daft punk. Rock music has ALWAYS been about image, far more so than any other genre, so don't suddenly pretend that this is an abomination just because a some bassist in Hoxton has a better haircut than you.
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    4/18/2005 10:35 AM
    No image isnt a new thing, its just that nowadays its all the nme culture seem to latch onto, fecking libertines, franz Ferdinand and now Bloc Party. Hello, wheres the music, creativity. Image isnt obviously a new thing but who ever said it was a good thing. Flicking through all the music channels anyday of the week and every music video is just looking the same and all the Hyped NME bands are sounding the same. Anyway its the music thats important and it sounds gash. I havent listened to them too much so maybe they are a grower but i tell ya, if NME hadnt picked up on them and you saw them in Dorans on a monday night not knowing who they are, would you be so impressed?. Ive seen bands a million light years ahead of fecking Bloc party in Dorans and the crowd are just meh but thats just dublin. the amount of peopele i know that went to babyshamles without even hearingtheir music beforehand just cos doherty was fronting them And by the way, my hair rocks my tits right off.
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    4/18/2005 10:40 AM
    I don't think anybody is seriously playing attention to NME anymore. It's seen as a kiss of death, as ever, the people into NME are kids, so I don't see how you could get angry at it for that. I'd like to hear some of these bands lightyears ahead of Bloc Party. I have't heard a REALLY good Dublin band since I came across The Immediate supporting Fair Verona in the Hub on some loser Tuesday or something over a year ago. Since then, the only Dublin bands that have done anything for me are LOST, and um, well that's probably it regarding new bands. And I don't see the point of badmouthing bands like Libertines, babyshambles, etc etc because of their image. Whatever their haircuts or drugs of choice, they still maek good music. The image doesn't bother me. Ignore it, you can't hear an image.
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    4/18/2005 10:52 AM
    I actuall like the libertines after ignoring them for so long. But i wouldnt say there the most creative band in the world and this is what i would say about Bloc party. And i still think NME has a big influence on people Check out dublin Band Channel 1, something a bit different and creative. Dublin band "the Butterfly Explosion" are also quite interesting" regulars in dorans aswell. Ok so most nights you go into dorans your probably not gonna get the highest standard of music but get out there and give it a chance. Ive seen some deadly acts in dorans, "Clouded Mouse" although i think they have changed their name now, you can find them on the cpu.ie website along with Ch-1 and Butterfly explosion. Loads of great acts on that website to download I still believe if you were to put 4 bands on in dorans and had bloc party on as 1 of them, if you hadnt heard of them before you probably wouldnt notice them
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    4/18/2005 12:57 PM
    So hold on. Back to the intial point. You said my argument wasnt backed up and i just blaggered out a comment. Not true?? Just mentioned the hair thing because i broke my arse laughing. What a s**t reason to like someones music. "Image is everything, music is nothing, obey the s**t music or else" I'll say no more about it. Ever hear of the John Butler Trio? Now there are real musicians. Take a slice of their cake and eat it.
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    4/18/2005 1:26 PM
    I don't know if people like Bloc Party because of their hair. I think they probably like their hair because of their hair and their music because of their music.
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    4/18/2005 1:42 PM
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    Unicron, I also passed on an interview with them before the album came out. tut tut tut
    Well it's not so bad becasue someone else from the site in question will interview them. I get Aqualung, who I like (the first album anyway) so I'm not too pushed about it.
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