guess i should have read your post about the godfather...

...you just post so much that's not worth reading that i sometimes skip over some of it...

apologies... as you were...

Aidan "Cardiff & Swansea play in the English Leagues, even though they are Welsh. Should they be eligible to play in England"

Ally "Yes, they play in the English League, therefor they are eligible"

Aidan "Yes, but why"

Ally "Because they play in the English League, therefor they are eligible and all other discussion on the matter is irrelevant"

Aidan "But I don't see how if in the rules.."

Ally (interrupting) " Rules, schmools. Look, if they win the Premiership, all of this will be irrelevant ...... will you still ask it in twenty years?.... history writes itself... rules and standards are made up restrictions that have no relationship with what actually happens... they are irrelevant to this conversation..."

Aidan "But I still don't understand WHY"

Ally "Shut up. I'm right & that's that."

Aidan "Em... OK"

that's about the size of it...

aidan never said 'should' by the way...

...jesus, you have an uncanny knack of making me look like an even bigger arsehole than i am by asking me to explain every tongue in cheek comment i make... i shouldn't rise to the bait... the end

Reminds me of a Karl Pilkington thing:

Karl: I invented a watch that can take you into the future.
Ricky: How does it work?
Karl: Pop it on your wrist.

The song is elegible because it was originally and expressly written for the soundtrack of the film and subsequently was re-recorded for 'the cost' but the original session recording was for the film soundtrack.

Thanks, Jules - so, it depends on which recording from which recording session. In other words, not just the SONG but the RECORDING of the song. And a song can be released prior to and independent of the film/soundtrack release, just as long as it's a different version. Right?

Yes, but it's not eligible for the Premiership!

http://www.oscars.org/78academyawards/rules/rule16.html

Rule Sixteen
Special Rules for the Music Awards

A. CATEGORIES
I. Original Score:
An original score is a substantial body of music in the form of original dramatic underscoring written specifically for the film by the submitting composer.

II. Original Song:
An original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for the film. There must be a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition (not necessarily visually presented) of both lyric and melody, used in the body of the film or as the first music cue in the end credits.

III. Original Musical:
An original musical consists of not fewer than five original songs (as defined in A.II above) by the same writer or team of writers either used as voice-overs or visually performed. Each of these songs must be substantively rendered, clearly audible, intelligible, and must further the storyline. What is simply an arbitrary group of songs unessential to the storyline of the film will not be considered eligible. The adapter (if any) or the composer of the instrumental score may be considered eligible — in this category only — if his or her contribution is deemed relevant and substantial.


B. ELIGIBILITY

1. The work must be specifically created for the eligible feature-length motion picture.

2. The work must be the result of a creative interaction between the film maker(s) and the composer(s) or songwriter(s) who have been engaged to work directly on the film.

3. The measure of the work's qualification shall be its effectiveness, craftsmanship, creative substance and relevance to the dramatic whole.

4. The work must be recorded for use in the film prior to any other usage including public performance or exploitation through any of the media whatsoever.

5. Only the principal composer(s) or song writer(s) responsible for the conception and execution of the work as a whole shall be eligible for an award. This expressly excludes from eligibility all of the following:

(a) supervisors

(b) partial contributors (e.g., any writer not responsible for the over-all design of the work)

(c) contributors working on speculation

(d) scores diluted by the use of themes tracked or other pre-existing music

(e) scores diminished in impact by the predominant use of songs

(f) scores assembled from the music of more than one composer.

6. No more than two statuettes will normally be given in the Original Song category. A third statuette may be awarded when there are three essentially equal contributors to a song.

7. The Executive Committee shall resolve all rules interpretations and all questions of eligibility.

8. It is within the sole and confidential discretion of the Board of Governors to determine what awards, if any, shall be given.

C. SUBMISSION

1. For an achievement to be eligible for nomination in any of the three music categories, an OFFICIAL SUBMISSION FORM, obtainable from the Academy, must be requested personally by the principal writer(s) who alone may make the submission.

2. The submission form must be signed by all submitting writers and must be accompanied by a complete Music Cue Sheet (listing all music cues), Vocal Lead Sheets (in the Original Song and Original Musical categories), and in the Original Song category, a DVD clip of each song showing how each song is used in the film.

3. Submissions may be made prior to the qualifying Los Angeles release opening, but must be made no later than sixty days after such opening, or Thursday, December 1, 2005, whichever comes first.

4. The Executive Committee has the right, but not the obligation, to initiate submissions in all three categories, but must do so no later than noon of December 31, 2005.

D. VOTING

1. A reminder list of works submitted in the Original Score and Original Musical categories shall be sent with a nominations ballot to all members of the Academy Music Branch who shall vote in the order of their preference for not more than five achievements in each category.

2. In the Original Score category (and Original Musical category, if activated), the five achievements in each category receiving the highest number of votes on mail ballots will become the nominations for final voting for the award.

3. In the Original Song category, Music Branch members shall meet to screen clips of the eligible songs and vote on the achievements. Following the screening of the clips, voting shall be conducted as follows:

Nominations will be determined by an averaged point system of voting using 10, 9.5, 9, 8.5, 8, 7.5, 7, 6.5 or 6. Only those songs receiving an average score of 8.25 or more shall be eligible for nomination. There may not be more than five nor fewer than three nominations.

4. If there are 25 or fewer qualified works submitted in any category, the Executive Committee may recommend to the Board of Governors that nominations be limited to three. If there are nine or fewer qualifying works submitted in any category, the Executive Committee may recommend to the Board of Governors that no award be given in that category for the current year.

5. The category of Original Musical (III) may be activated only by special request of the Music Branch Executive Committee to the Board of Governors in a year when the field of eligible submissions is determined to be of sufficient quantity and quality to justify award competition .

6. The entire active and life Academy membership shall vote for final selections in each category: ORIGINAL SCORE, ORIGINAL SONG and ORIGINAL MUSICAL.

You should be called Judge Jules!

right, i suppose i better add something meaningful to this argument...

...that is maybe what they're telling us but i can assure you it wasn't... it's been around since at least late 2003 and the original recording was for the swell season album in early 2006...

...just let them pick who they want - it doesn't really matter, does it?

Let's end all discussions now.

ask Phil Collins Ally

Does anyone know why Phil Collins is in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories?

it's because he's a dodgy east-end geezer, innit?...

he's only one step away from bob hoskins...

Good drummer though.......

Apparantely not THAT good - they can even train gorillas these days to play like him!

Pointless nostalgia? I'm more of a Gran Turismo 4 man myself anyway.

Anyway back to the discussion at hand. Can we just all be happy that the Ginger Cult Leader himself has got an oscar nomination and not worry about explaining the offside rule?

Sorry if everyone is sick of this matter by now, but just an update...

Independant

Alternative film guide

Maybe the academy heard all of our banter! I should say that Im up for hansard too...

apparently the "decision" is due any minute now....

...oooooh.... i can hardly wait!

Looks like the offside rule might apply then?!