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Last Post 12/10/2004 9:42 AM by  klootfan
Most useful music related electronic invention
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12/10/2004 9:42 AM
    Im just thowing this out there as a question, but what single electronic invention has helped the progression of music in the last say, 50 years. Maybe progression isnt the right word, because I really want to include distribution to the masses in that question as well. Would it be the fender electric Guitar ? This would surely have to be up there at the top in terms of the diversity of music styles that followed in its wake ? Would it not The walkman ? for making on the fly listening of music a reality. MP3 players are just a modern play on the walkman. The original apple macintosh. From its humble beginnings the possibilty of affordable home recording became a possibility Any thoughts ?
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    12/10/2004 12:05 PM
    I would probably say the keyboard for creation because theres no sound it cant create. Every numbnut on the planet has released some sort of dance single and made a mint of sheer copyright exposure. The walkman for sheer ease of distribution. The guitar because its a good insturment. Rock N Roll because now ALL music is based on it... The 4/8 Track recorders because they allowed the true birth of home recording...
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    12/10/2004 12:54 PM
    Funnily enough I had been working on an Op-Ed along these lines, but it goes further back in time. If we are to stick by the rules of this post (50 years) then very few of the inventions mentioned count. (I have been doing my homework folks!) First of all, the fender is a product that contained new technological innovations, but it was not a completely new invention. It was not the first electric guitar or even the first solid body electric guitar. Also the Fender appeared 3 years too early to count, the Telecaster arrived in 1951. The Guitar itself is definitely older than 50 years Optimus! The keyboard? synthesisers and electronic instruments can trace their history back to 1870. The apple Mac? Nah, took a while before they became good and cheap. The original Atari ST with its built in Midi interface was very useful for sequencing and its killer App, Cubase is still in use today. Rock N Roll is older than 50 years, and not really an invention as such. The walkman was a lovely "product" but only really a miniaturisation of the existing tape player. It changed listening habits, but did it change music? Multitrack recording is not that new, though I will admit that cheap multitrack recorders are only a relatively recent thing. In the last fifty years, I think one of the most interesting developments that has changed music itself it software based recording and synthesis. But if I were to go back further than 50 years, what would be the all time most important inventions? Recording (though Edisons system was actually originally mechanical and later refined with electrical improvements), Radio and electronic amplification. Damn, I've runied the Op-ed now haven't I? Ah well, probably was never going to get around to finishing it. These three inventions not only allowed easy storage and distribution of music, but changed music itself. I'd also stick the concept of copyright in there too, its part of what makes the "music industry" as we know it possible.
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    12/10/2004 1:12 PM
    I would say then, Dr Binokular, that the Printing Press is a key invention since it allowed the dissemination of ballads and then sheet music
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    12/10/2004 1:22 PM
    I never figured you to be pedantic binokular but there you have it. I didnt realise we were being literal about the "50 years" thing. Twas my understanding that is was more general. And rock & roll is an invention. So there.
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    12/10/2004 1:22 PM
    Jules, gotta disagree because sheet music requires the ability to play an instrument. Recording allows a much larger audience of passive listeners who only need to appreciate music, but do not need to posess any musical knowledge whatsoever. Also sheet music is open to interpretation and allows you to play music in your own style. Recording on the other hand allowed a cross pollination of styles, people got to hear music played differently or got to hear folk music that was not published as sheet music. For example, bluesmen were influenced by hearing hawaiian music which can be heard in the use of steel slide guitar playing. Blues bacame Rock and Roll and to a lesser extent influenced reggae. I doubt these influences would have travelled so fast without recording and wireless radio.
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    12/10/2004 1:24 PM
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    And rock & roll is an invention. So there.
    Some say its just an evolution of the Blues, I think it kinda just happened, no one sat down and thought too hard about it.
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    12/10/2004 1:44 PM
    Not true. Buddy Holly. Little Richard. Blue Oyster Cult. Elvis. Reinvented music. Which means that they thought HARD about their sound because they wanted to be new and fresh. You stand corrected sir!
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    12/10/2004 1:52 PM
    You know Little Richard said "Rhythm and blues had a baby and somebody named it rock and roll." Buddy Holly was a genuine innovator in terms of his guitar style, but cannot be credited with inventing Rock and Roll Blue Oyster Cult? ummm... bit late for the dawn of rock and roll? hardly that innovative either. Elvis? A great performer, possibly the most iconic of the 20th century, but wasn't he really just a white ambassador for what was regarded as black music? These guys did think about their sound, but no one really can claim to have invented rock and roll.
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    12/10/2004 2:17 PM
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    You know Little Richard said "Rhythm and blues had a baby and somebody named it rock and roll." Buddy Holly was a genuine innovator in terms of his guitar style, but cannot be credited with inventing Rock and Roll Blue Oyster Cult? ummm... bit late for the dawn of rock and roll? hardly that innovative either. Elvis? A great performer, possibly the most iconic of the 20th century, but wasn't he really just a white ambassador for what was regarded as black music? These guys did think about their sound, but no one really can claim to have invented rock and roll.
    Grrrr. You anger me with your little richard comment because you are indeed correct and i do indeed stand corrected. I wasnt exactly crediting Buddy Holly with the invention of rock & roll, but lets face it, he did change the face of the music. Without him, NO beach boys or the beatles. Hell the beatles covered half of his back catalogue when they started playing gigs. You'd be surprised how long the Blue Oyster Cult have been going. They were rocking just before the Beatles I'll have you know! They merely came into their own just before Aerosmith came on the scene.And a quick note, if anyone wants to sample true Aerosmith, try and get anything they recorded that pre-dates woodstock. They sound like pearl jam. Rock & roll wasnt exactly black. Rythem and Blues was, in the vein that was true r&b...not this mysteeq crap that plagues the radio. Elvis re-wrote the book on r&b and made it rock & roll. He made rock and roll what it is.
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    12/10/2004 2:39 PM
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    Elvis re-wrote the book on r&b and made it rock & roll. He made rock and roll what it is.
    Elvis was quoted on his '68 comeback special as saying that, essentially, rock and roll is a fusion of Gospel and R&B. Also, the first recorded use of the slide in Blues is when WC Handy watched a blues musician in the South play a guitar with the aid of a steel knife. There is a view expressed in Martin Scorcese's recent documentary by Ali Farka Toure about the Blues that the music is Malian (African) in origin and not Hawaiian.
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    12/10/2004 3:00 PM
    Wasn't saying the blues was Hawaiian Jules! (now THERES an off the wall idea!) just the use of a slide style using steel guitar, but thats just a theory some people have, it may have had nothing to do with it as you say, slide steel playing may have just developed side by side in two different places.
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    12/10/2004 3:43 PM
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    Originally posted by Rev Jules Elvis was quoted on his '68 comeback special as saying that, essentially, rock and roll is a fusion of Gospel and R&B.
    So he still invented rock & roll by fusing r&b and gospel music together then?
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    12/10/2004 3:48 PM
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    W asn't saying the blues was Hawaiian Jules! (now THERES an off the wall idea!)
    Surfin' Honolulu Blues Woke up this morning Lying on the sand Woke up this morning Lying on the sand Last night I drank Too much Pina Colada Man ! I got the Surfin' Honolulu Blues
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    12/10/2004 7:30 PM
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    So he still invented rock & roll by fusing r&b and gospel music together then?
    Optimus, the question of who invented rock and roll is the biggest that there is in pop music. Its like asking, 'is there a god' or 'are we alone' or 'Can Drummers Think For Themselves'. No, I don't think he invented rock and roll but I do think he is the first musician of genius to emerge from the genre. Elvis was also considered to be a gifted country musician and a number of people who worked with him during his heyday, such as Tony Brown, are now top of the tree in Nashville. I would venture that Sam Phillips, through Sun Studios, is the man who truly invented the genre of rock and roll.
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