mutch Basic Member Posts:392  
| 10/6/2004 10:15 AM |
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i need answers people.
i've noticed this alot in dublin and it makes no sense to me at all. you need a decent logistics operation to carry this off to its full potential, but anyone thats unsigned doesnt have this to hand, right?
wouldnt it be easier to just take cash at the door(like most unsigned acts seem to do)? surely the demand levels for unsigned bands is not such that tickets have to be issued.
a manager of a local unsigned band encourages this.
im curious to know the reasons for doing it. i feel its a bad idea, however please feel free to point me in the right direction with this.
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Brain of GBasic Member Posts:161
| 10/6/2004 10:49 AM |
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I know this isn't exactly in line with the topic but did you hear about the two guys who booked the Point (I think it was) a few months ago with the intention of having the place sold out next year for a gig. They hadn't even formed a band yet so this could turn out to be an expensive marketing stunt by them. Especially considering they called themselves "The Odds". Would you go to see a band with a name as bad as that?!
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mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 10/6/2004 11:05 AM |
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i know someone who went along to an audition there, he got a reailty tv vibe off it. i would go support them, for a certain price. its a brave thing to do and deserves support. (how american of me!)
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
| 10/6/2004 11:09 AM |
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Originally posted by mutch
i need answers people.
i've noticed this alot in dublin and it makes no sense to me at all. you need a decent logistics operation to carry this off to its full potential, but anyone thats unsigned doesnt have this to hand, right?
wouldnt it be easier to just take cash at the door(like most unsigned acts seem to do)? surely the demand levels for unsigned bands is not such that tickets have to be issued.
a manager of a local unsigned band encourages this.
im curious to know the reasons for doing it. i feel its a bad idea, however please feel free to point me in the right direction with this.
I know from my own experience with my previous failed band that selling tickets is a waste of time if people are going to be paying at the door. You sell maybe 30 tickets yourself and 10 of those are to your parents.
As a result you dont get enough coverage and you're not exposing yourself.
Having people pay at the door and insisting on a percentage is the best way to do this because you can play plenty of gigs, accumulate money and then promote yourself off your own back.
Unfortunately, my previous band efforts didnt listen and we wound up going DEEP under.
You raise a good point mutch.
I like you.
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karlvin New Member Posts:97
| 10/6/2004 11:16 AM |
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Maybe I'm missing the point , but surely the idea of selling tickets is to encourage people to commiting to going to the gig ? I see the point about them paying at the door so why not just give a discount on the tickets and then let them pay in the door at a slightly higher rate ?
It seems to me that a combination of both is what's needed.
Sell as many tickets as you can to get a crowd going then querey people on the door as to who they are here to see (if a multiple act gig) ,
that way the door percentage can be split fairly.
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OptimusBasic Member Posts:312
| 10/6/2004 11:22 AM |
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Originally posted by karlvin
Maybe I'm missing the point , but surely the idea of selling tickets is to encourage people to commiting to going to the gig ? I see the point about them paying at the door so why not just give a discount on the tickets and then let them pay in the door at a slightly higher rate ?
It seems to me that a combination of both is what's needed.
Sell as many tickets as you can to get a crowd going then querey people on the door as to who they are here to see (if a multiple act gig) ,
that way the door percentage can be split fairly.
Been there. Done that. Selling tickets doesnt secure actual attendance from anyone, especially if your selling tickets for £2.50(dont know what that is in Euro's).
In my experience, people's word is completely useless. As is their money. |
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mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 10/6/2004 11:48 AM |
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Originally posted by karlvin
Maybe I'm missing the point , but surely the idea of selling tickets is to encourage people to commiting to going to the gig ? I see the point about them paying at the door so why not just give a discount on the tickets and then let them pay in the door at a slightly higher rate ?
It seems to me that a combination of both is what's needed.
Sell as many tickets as you can to get a crowd going then querey people on the door as to who they are here to see (if a multiple act gig) ,
that way the door percentage can be split fairly.
your first point means that those who turn up are charged more than those who dont - not what a good business plan is based on.
your second point is not practical on a busy night, in my expierience. but probably is the best measure in a double header situation. |
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karlvinNew Member Posts:97
| 10/6/2004 12:00 PM |
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You only charge more to people who come if people who bought your tickets don't come !
Also if you don't sell tickets how do you ensure that a good crowd comes on the night ? I've had some nasty experiences with loads of promises and pay in at the door and very few turning up! I've definatley found that if someone has a ticket (no matter what the cost) they are more likely to turn up , people hate to think they've wasted money.
And if you do sell tickets and lots of ticket holders dont come well at least you've somewhat covered yourself and can hold a gig again rather than fork out loads at the end of the night. ??
Interesting discussion mutch ...
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mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 10/6/2004 12:05 PM |
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fair point yeah. its the whole logistics of selling the tickets that gets to me. youve to get cash from people, give out ticiedi etc. my aim for gig would be to drag in (literally if required!)as many new non friends and family types as possible, so from that perspective, tickets arent much good. but for the folks who you know are going to go, yeah it makes sense.
thanks for helping me understand that one. cheers.
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 10/10/2004 3:23 PM |
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we're preselling tickets for a gig in whelans next saturday, from the whelans box office, the reason we chose to do this is because whelans put up a few extra posters etc letting punters know who they have on sale in their box office, just a wee bit more promotion that we dont have to worry about. people can get in at the door too though, i'd imagine we'd do very badly if entry was only by ticket.
a mixture of both taking cash on the door and preselliong tickets seem to work well in this situatuion i feel.
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Originally posted by mutch
i need answers people.
i've noticed this alot in dublin and it makes no sense to me at all. you need a decent logistics operation to carry this off to its full potential, but anyone thats unsigned doesnt have this to hand, right?
wouldnt it be easier to just take cash at the door(like most unsigned acts seem to do)? surely the demand levels for unsigned bands is not such that tickets have to be issued.
a manager of a local unsigned band encourages this.
im curious to know the reasons for doing it. i feel its a bad idea, however please feel free to point me in the right direction with this.
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mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 10/11/2004 11:55 AM |
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another method ive come accross that annoys me is this craic of a promoter saying to a young band "hey i'll five you forty tickets, you sell 30 at 8 euro and the remaining ten you keep the money on them."
so you see what happens is the young band end up having to off load like 240 euros worth of tickets to 30 close friends, often chargin them 8 euro to see them play for 25 minutes (96 cents per minute!!! TO FRIGGIN PLAY?!!!) and lets face it with these things usually involving 4/5 bands the sound engineer is havinga mare so he cant do his job as good as he normally could (remember the equipment we're talking about here) so everyone but the promoter has a bad night...most of the time.
maybe smoeone can throw a new light on this for me as has been done above from karlvin and the folks who contributed to this tread, i just think its an unscrupulous business tactic to take advantage of teenagers looking to play.
(thinkin back to how bad my teenage bands were and how good we thought we were, maybe thats a good thing!! hah.)
seriously though, has anyone a different slant on this, im interested to see what peoples expierinces have been.
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 10/11/2004 5:52 PM |
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Originally posted by mutch
i just think its an unscrupulous business tactic to take advantage of teenagers looking to play.
yup. anyone that asks you to pay to play is trying to fleece you. |
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