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03 Oct 2006 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by LupusMusic How the f**k can we get a thriving industry going here if people just feel free to take a half informed s**t on the best we have.
we will have a thriving industry here when we have the bands who can make records to make the world beyond dublin bay sit up and pay attention I dont know u but i do appreciate the work u and your acts have put into your music to get this far. however, its not good enough. the director album is extremely weak (despite all the "work" u went on about) and i really doubt if there is a strong, coherent debut album in the marshalls as long as there has been even a biteen of a music industry here, various industry insiders have carped on about "negative comments" and "criticism" as reasons keeping the irish industry down. No, no, no. what keeps the irish music industry is the ha'penny place is the lack of bands with BRILLIANT SONGS, AMBITIONS, BELIEF and - yes, because u do need this as well - THE WILLINGNESS TO PUT IN HARD WORK BOTH HERE AND ABROAD. please dont play a game of smoke and mirrors by moaning about how we should all pull together and get the irish industry working. what that will result in is even more s**te irish bands being hyped and plamased here and then falling head over arse when they leave the country. we're far too soft on our own kind. once we start to excercise some quality control, we might get somewhere.
Again, that is your opinion, which I disagree with as do the majority of people who have heard said music. Why you are getting mails from me my friend, is your two statments_ that one of my acts will not be released in the uk and the other will be dropped. (I don't personally mind that you think the rest of the bands actually selling records here are no good either, It kind of proves a point.) I think you should make an apology for statments like that they are both unfounded untrue and a pile of CACK and if you do represent a publication I'd like to see you put it in print. Good luck with that, make sure I get a copy. Also Posting that rubbish here in the guise of bob the builders cat doesn't take much balls now does it? I read a lot of rubbish even personal attacks on myself and mates in the industry. I don't normally get involved but when you think you can state that rubbish about two great bands and make sweeping statments on an industry many people are working hard to improve you need to be put in your place. To answer the rest of your comment Home markets are an important starting point. And bands release here before the uk because their profile often exceeds the UK well in advance. The time to release here comes quicker. For the first time we actually have five or six bands signed to the uk and touring and releasing there. I'd like to hear from one band member on this forum that would not like to be signed to an indie or major or if self releasing at least have the money to tour/market their record properly in the uk If you think that triple the amount of work won't go into the UK and Europe you are mad! Bands do not have a soft time here either that is complete childish crap. Airplay/press/Racking and retail support/ live fan base/marketing etc costs the same here in hours,money and effort and is hard won. If you had ever successfully done this you would know just how hard. Two of the bands you slated in the last week alone have returned from a gig in cork at 5 in the morning got up at nine for radio instore at lunch time into sound check and giged again that night. Which part of that do you think was an easy ride. On top of the set up advertising etc??? Your head has the only "very local" problem in this discussion. I'd hazzard a guess that you have no idea the set up it takes to release a record in the uk. So maybe you need to watch for a while and see what happens before you get back on that horse of yours. There is no smoke and mirriors. You are seeing a bunch of newly signed acts getting ready for next year abroad. All have played non stop in the UK last year and will continue to do so next year. I for one do know the effort and talent (not that you'll agree!!) of the artists working in and from this country at the moment and there will be success from these bands there already is. This is my last post on this. Richard Mc Donogh
18 months from now, we will look back on 2006, with its bands like Humanzis and Directors and Marshalls and its threads like this, and wonder what all the fuss was about. this is my last post on this too pilchard (can we fix it? yes, we can)
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03 Oct 2006 01:43 PM
Poor aul Pilchard put in his place there!!
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03 Oct 2006 03:59 PM
personally, i think director and the marshalls are two of the most boring, unoriginal bands ever. no passion, no talent, no nothing.
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03 Oct 2006 04:24 PM
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personally, i think director and the marshalls are two of the most boring, unoriginal bands ever. no passion, no talent, no nothing.
i got to listen to these boys again!
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03 Oct 2006 08:41 PM
Personally I think defending these bands so rigorously against an unfavourable opinion of certain individuals on a message board reeks of anxiousness and uncertainty. If you had genuine confidence in the bands in question you would not let their opinion (an opinion that they are entitled to) rattle you so much. You would just let the music speak for itself and if it a good as you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about.
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03 Oct 2006 08:50 PM
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personally, i think director and the marshalls are two of the most boring, unoriginal bands ever. no passion, no talent, no nothing.
i got to listen to these boys again!
I read here alot but have never felt like posting before. This particular thread however has reeled me right in. I too got an advance copy and the album is very far from s**t. It's actually very very strong for a debut, not half as commercial as I thought it might be and probably the best of the new wave of signings. So go listen to it before you listen to a very vocal few here. As for the other bands, opinions are opinions, I reckon discussion is good but some of the comments go a little far and make less sense. DS
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03 Oct 2006 09:03 PM
when is the album out? i was serious too, never knew much about either the directors or marshalls (think i knew the marshalls n wasnt too impressed) but the amount of passion thats gone into both sides has me wanting to hear them. fact is, music is subjective, being hard working is admirable (and in the most part an absolute necessity if you want to get your music out there) but at the end of the day i dont give two s**ts whether a band i end up hearing worked hard for it or not. Youre either going to like it or not. and being honest, its not really hard work is it, working your ass off for something you believe in is life (or art), it sure as f**k aint subsistence farming in a landmine ridden field in cambodia.
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03 Oct 2006 09:17 PM
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Personally I think defending these bands so rigorously against an unfavourable opinion of certain individuals on a message board reeks of anxiousness and uncertainty. If you had genuine confidence in the bands in question you would not let their opinion (an opinion that they are entitled to) rattle you so much. You would just let the music speak for itself and if it a good as you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about.
I know Richard, I can assure you not much rattles him but he was completely correct to reply to the two points he addressed in his last post. They both went far beyond opinion. In my opinion. That is! Also I'm not surprised he was a little vexed -that a list that pretty much was the running order of the Faction one cd was completely dismissed might just have been just a little annoying. I know he and Ken paid for the whole album out of their own pockets to get a few bands off the ground, so dissing the effort would certainly have grated. Where is faction 2 Rich? Ha! DS
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04 Oct 2006 09:10 AM
i listened to the new director single there, i think its ok. Well put together n all, but doesnt really have that spark for me. Not half as bad as has been made out, but not rockin the world of minty!
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04 Oct 2006 09:30 AM
this is a discussion board, so we can all argue and disagree etc..etc... i think delorentos are better than either the marshalls or director...i think channel one are better than most too...i think the rags front man has an ego the size of ron jeremy's lad, and i think mick pyro is the coolest front man in irish music. i have a question for people of cluas and this is genuine, where did the angels of mon go? and were they really here to start with??how did they win awards etc when they werent even in the public eye EVER.... the meteors with the tv3 people and glenda "what the fook have i ever done" and bands that nobody has heard of winning and celebrities that nobody has ever heard off being there etc...etc...are a bag of s**te...
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04 Oct 2006 09:37 AM
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is a discussion board, so we can all argue and disagree etc..etc... i think delorentos are better than either the marshalls or director...i think channel one are better than most too...i think the rags front man has an ego the size of ron jeremy's lad, and i think mick pyro is the coolest front man in irish music. i have a question for people of cluas and this is genuine, where did the angels of mon go? and were they really here to start with??how did they win awards etc when they werent even in the public eye EVER.... the meteors with the tv3 people and glenda "what the fook have i ever done" and bands that nobody has heard of winning and celebrities that nobody has ever heard off being there etc...etc...are a bag of s**te... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Id agree with everything you said there Roadhouse ,saw angels of mon once and i see the drummer on the luas alot ..he allways looks like hes been crying ..
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04 Oct 2006 09:45 AM
very good point roadhousemag man - whatever did happen to the Angels of Mon? i remember someone telling me that there were 40 A&R men to see them at some gig last year or the year before but nothing seemed to happen. their website hasnt been updated in over a year. some bright hope! shows that the Meteors really are the kiss of death - all those posing along glenda gilson. at least the first Choice Award winner julie feeney seems to be going from strength to strength - album picked up in the UK, amazing reviews over there already, US release set up for next year.
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04 Oct 2006 09:57 AM
Julie feeney has some great songs and she sounds good too , Id back her for a REAL irish up and coming .Also check out The Ruby Tailights
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04 Oct 2006 10:01 AM
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Angels of Mon
I remember seeing them play a support slot in Rathfarnaham, the place that used to be Club Sarah. Before the came on, we were propping up the bar & the coversation went a little something like this. Angels of Mon are up next. Any good ? Not sure, only know the name. But isn't the leadsinger balling Juliette Lewis ? Really, fair play. Nah, you can keep her. Rotten, she is. I wouldn't touch her with yours. Just then the band are introduced, & the 3 lads beside us at the bar get up on stage !!
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04 Oct 2006 10:05 AM
Indeed. Caught the Ruby Taillights at the IMRO showcase in the Village during the summer and was well impressed. Very good tunage.
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04 Oct 2006 10:38 AM
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Personally I think defending these bands so rigorously against an unfavourable opinion of certain individuals on a message board reeks of anxiousness and uncertainty. If you had genuine confidence in the bands in question you would not let their opinion (an opinion that they are entitled to) rattle you so much. You would just let the music speak for itself and if it a good as you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about.
I know Richard, I can assure you not much rattles him but he was completely correct to reply to the two points he addressed in his last post. They both went far beyond opinion. In my opinion. That is! Also I'm not surprised he was a little vexed -that a list that pretty much was the running order of the Faction one cd was completely dismissed might just have been just a little annoying. I know he and Ken paid for the whole album out of their own pockets to get a few bands off the ground, so dissing the effort would certainly have grated. Where is faction 2 Rich? Ha! DS
Faction 2 eh? We are actually looking at putting it together now. Well now, that would be some positive list making wouldn't it? So what would be your ideal album for a Faction 2 ? - bands and tracks. Irish only Unreleased only. Top 14 in no particular order. The Criteria is simple must have their own recordings, be decent live for the tour and have a shot at selling records. Faction one has now gone gold if you can believe that not bad for 12 demos.So who do you think would make up a good Jan 2007 album representing Irish music today? Let me know? Rich
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04 Oct 2006 10:42 AM
I reckon theres a lot of unsigned bands that wouldnt bother to be honest. It seems a lot of bands are releasing albums etc independantly at the moment.
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04 Oct 2006 10:43 AM
Thats mad, you just reminded me of my dream last night, i was im a flat i dont recognise now and i was listening to the Ruby Taillights. Whats even stranger i have never heard them except for the occasional mention here. Some guy in my dream was playing them and they were good. Have they any releases?????
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04 Oct 2006 11:01 AM
Here's 14; Butterfly Explosion Crayonsmith The Star Department The Terribles Sickboy Glenwash (cough) Agitated Radio Pilot Mirakil Whip TwinKranes Patrick Freyne & His Bad Intentions The Ruby Taillights Groom The Hollows Stagger Lee ...dunno if any of em'd fit in with Faction's commercial agenda however.
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04 Oct 2006 11:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr5j8SyD3rI check this RD song out its sweet! kinda like a mix of stars and the shins ,they defo have somthing .
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