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18 May 2005 03:49 PM
    Was this gig reviewed by the guy who does "the Urges" website, that seems a bit odd.
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    18 May 2005 04:08 PM
    Taken from Urges Website Gonzo media... This page was designed and created by Gonzo Media. To get in touch you can email daragh at daragh.murray25@mail.dcu.ie Was it a Review or PR
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    18 May 2005 04:10 PM
    aye it was done by me, it was an honest review, the urges website is a paying gig, not a personal involvement. I think i gave an honest opinion of the band/the night, and didnt them praise them overly. Also, i didnt tell the band that i was doing a review, both were kept separate.
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    18 May 2005 04:15 PM
    hows it going Daragh. Yeah, just a bit strange hearing a review from someone who has a Financial connection with the band. Not saying it wasnt an honest review but just after re reading it again if seems to make even their negative qualities postivie ones. No disrespect to the lads
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    18 May 2005 04:19 PM
    aye i can see that, its fair enough. I do think though that the review was an honest reflection of the night, and would be in a similar tone to others i have written, (such as the opinion piece) i did read it again just there, and it does perhaps give a good shine, but nothing more than i would have gotten myself from the night. I definitely did not write it as PR, but whether you think so is your own call. I dont really know what to say to be honest, never even thought of it like that until now, which is probably very shortsighted of me. but i would never have considered writing it for some ulterior motive,
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    18 May 2005 04:24 PM
    All is cool Buddy, just seemed a bit odd. When it comes to reviews though, well, its always gonna be hard to bite the hand that feeds you.
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    18 May 2005 04:35 PM
    no your dead right. As i said though, the thought of it being considered as PR, or anything but an honest review, or even me writing it with an ulterior motive, never even crossed my mind. I would apologise though to anyone who thought of it as deceitful, actually quite embarassed now.
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    18 May 2005 05:30 PM
    In Daragh's defence I arranged the pass for him to get into this and I would have thought that were he so entrenched with the band that he'd pull something with the review he could arrange his own pass.
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    18 May 2005 08:44 PM
    to be honest, i was gonna ignore this but i've been thinking about it all evening. It IS a conflict of interest, pure and simple, and the kind of thing we'd jump up and down about if it happened in some other publication or paper. reviews are supposed to be fair and honest and if someone is working for the band in any capacity, such fairness and honesty goes out the window. the review should be pulled, in my opinion, to preserve editorial integrity. Moderators, any views?
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    18 May 2005 08:45 PM
    i would agree with that.
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    18 May 2005 09:36 PM
    This isn't really one the regular message board moderators can answer or help you with I'm afraid. Most of the day to day moderation of the boards is done by myself and Rev Jules and neither of us edit any of the reviews section (Jules edits the opinion section).
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    23 May 2005 08:45 AM
    There's a review of that gig at www.roadhousemag.com for anyone interested... Read the review here: http://roadhousemag.com/home/reviews.php?id=93 dec
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    23 May 2005 09:01 AM
    quote:
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    to be honest, i was gonna ignore this but i've been thinking about it all evening. It IS a conflict of interest, pure and simple, and the kind of thing we'd jump up and down about if it happened in some other publication or paper. reviews are supposed to be fair and honest and if someone is working for the band in any capacity, such fairness and honesty goes out the window. the review should be pulled, in my opinion, to preserve editorial integrity. Moderators, any views?
    If Daragh didnt write it, who would ? When I first started reading this site, there was new articles & reviews being posted on a weekly basis, but in the last year/18mths this has slowed considerably, to the point that the films reviews have been taken off. Cluas.com is just a forum now, sadly a long distance from the award winning site it was 5yrs ago. The mantra still applies, " 1) Spread the word, 2) Drop back regularly as content is updated several times a month, and, 3) Submit something for publication!"
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    23 May 2005 11:55 AM
    here's another review of the gig: http://www.soundsxp.com/1873.shtml
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    23 May 2005 12:45 PM
    "If Daragh didnt write it, who would?" www.roadhousemag.com review section updated on a weekly basis...
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    23 May 2005 01:08 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by roadhousemag
    "If Daragh didnt write it, who would?" www.roadhousemag.com review section updated on a weekly basis...
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    "If Daragh didnt write it, who would?" www.roadhousemag.com review section updated on a weekly basis...
    there may be some online competition on the way. i've heard from 2 different people now that Muse.ie is coming back with jim carroll back at the helm. the title has been bought back from eircom and will be relaunching over the summer. anyone else heard this? at least the reviews wont be done by band members or hired help.
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    23 May 2005 01:15 PM
    Don't lose faith in Cluas just yet
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    23 May 2005 03:59 PM
    "there may be some online competition on the way. i've heard from 2 different people now that Muse.ie is coming back with jim carroll back at the helm. the title has been bought back from eircom and will be relaunching over the summer. anyone else heard this? at least the reviews wont be done by band members or hired help." If you are inferring that we use "hired help" or have an alternative motive other than objectively writing about unsigned music you are terribly mistaken. We dont have a hidden agenda, we dont have "mates" in bands and we dont have "favourites" either. The fact is our site is going seven months, we are actively following the unsigned scene since then. Our main contributers and writers of which at present there are 6 regulars; are NOT musicians, nor friends of certain bands. An accountant, an engineer and a sound engineer operate our site. Not a lead guitarist of a band or a band manager or anyone else affiliated in any way with any of the acts reviewed. We update every week with NEW acts from all over Ireland. If you are dissatisfied with the way we write then please feel free to submit a review to us. You obviously have a broad knowledge of whats going on and feel strongly about it. We operate www.roadhousemag.com, NOTHING else, all we were doing was making you aware of the fact that many journalists reviewed The Urges. And why not? They are an exciting young group on the way up. One thing though, you dont know us from Adam so get your facts straight before you start making insinuations about us. Otherwise feel free to take us up on the offer of a review. RHM.
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    23 May 2005 04:09 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Mully When I first started reading this site, there was new articles & reviews being posted on a weekly basis, but in the last year/18mths this has slowed considerably 3)Submit something for publication!"
    I think you answered your own question
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    23 May 2005 04:23 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by roadhousemag
    "there may be some online competition on the way. i've heard from 2 different people now that Muse.ie is coming back with jim carroll back at the helm. the title has been bought back from eircom and will be relaunching over the summer. anyone else heard this? at least the reviews wont be done by band members or hired help." If you are inferring that we use "hired help" or have an alternative motive other than objectively writing about unsigned music you are terribly mistaken. We dont have a hidden agenda, we dont have "mates" in bands and we dont have "favourites" either. The fact is our site is going seven months, we are actively following the unsigned scene since then. Our main contributers and writers of which at present there are 6 regulars; are NOT musicians, nor friends of certain bands. An accountant, an engineer and a sound engineer operate our site. Not a lead guitarist of a band or a band manager or anyone else affiliated in any way with any of the acts reviewed. We update every week with NEW acts from all over Ireland. If you are dissatisfied with the way we write then please feel free to submit a review to us. You obviously have a broad knowledge of whats going on and feel strongly about it. We operate www.roadhousemag.com, NOTHING else, all we were doing was making you aware of the fact that many journalists reviewed The Urges. And why not? They are an exciting young group on the way up. One thing though, you dont know us from Adam so get your facts straight before you start making insinuations about us. Otherwise feel free to take us up on the offer of a review. RHM.
    Hi RHM Yes, I dont know u from Adam - I have never looked at your magazine and I must make amends right away. Talking of making amends, you should actually read what I wrote, I wasnt talking about your magazine - I was talking about THIS website. Not RHM, THIS website. It seems that there is now a huge question mark over the validity of this review hence all this speculation and chat. U, as far as I can see, jumped in with a plug for your website. I, as far as I can see, made a comment about competition, U, obviously, got the wrong end of the stick and though I was slighting ur magazine. I am happy to say I was not doing this and I hope u will be just as happy to say u jumped to the wrong conclusion Awaiting your speedy retraction/reply/tumble from the high moral ground p
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