John DoeBasic Member Posts:338
2/20/2008 5:02 AM |
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As Ham Sandwich, a band much beloved of many Cluas regulars, prepare to release their debut album, the sheer awfulness of their name got me wondering: have you ever found it difficult, if not impossible, to like a band purely because of their name? I've slowly gotten to like Ham Sandwich's music but I have to admit it took me a long time to get over THAT name. First impressions were of some bloody awful band trying too hard to be "wacky". You know, "Oh look at us we're not like those awful pretentious singer/songers - sure how could you take us seriously with a name like this."
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/20/2008 5:30 AM |
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Kitchens of Distinction - great band, bloody awful name.
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
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QuintBasic Member Posts:209
2/20/2008 6:00 AM |
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My favourite band for the last 11 years also have the worst name.....Mogwai. Even the band themselves admit it's a terrible name.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
2/20/2008 6:09 AM |
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Mogwai sounds like a kids TV character. Belle and Sebastien is a pretty funny name when you realise it also refers to a stupidly twee scottish kids TV program. Modeselektor sounds like something you call your techno band because "technotronic" was taken, but in actual fact are as far from the po-faced cliches of electronic music as you can get.
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John DoeBasic Member Posts:338
2/20/2008 7:03 AM |
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There's a case to be made for the Smashing Pumpkins having one of the all time worst names ever too. All the more surprising when you consider how pretentious Billy Corgan is ( and I say that as a Pumpkins fan ).
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UnaRocksBasic Member Posts:274
2/20/2008 7:09 AM |
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names don't matter
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muzakBasic Member Posts:112
2/20/2008 7:11 AM |
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It is kind of asking for the classic Spinal Tap album review - "Shit Sandwich"
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/20/2008 7:18 AM |
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Posted By UnaRocks on 20 Feb 2008 7:09 AM names don't matter Apart from a band's music, probably the most important asset of a band is it's name - whether it's considered daft or cool is probably irrelevant though. There was a study done a few years ago (can't remember where to find it) that concluded that bands with two words in their name sold better than bands with one word in their name.. something to do with one word band names being less memorable & more easily confused.
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
2/20/2008 7:25 AM |
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Posted By UnaRocks on 20 Feb 2008 7:09 AM names don't matter this is a silly thing to say, i'm afraid... define "matter"
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
2/20/2008 7:42 AM |
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I knew a geezer once who played in a band called "Apathy".. unfortunately that was the very sentiment ppl showed towards the band... One of my fave groups is Hoovers and Sledgehammers...now thats a band name
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floodzerBasic Member Posts:181
2/20/2008 7:42 AM |
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Im sure what Una means is that names 'shouldnt' matter. Unfortunately they do have a huge effect on how much of a chance the average person first gives a band, whether it be conscious or not. I know that the band that I played in (no need to name it) picked a pretty unwise name that gave off the impression we were probably a punk band (not at all!). But I actually like Ham Sandwich, Belle & Sebastion and Mogwai as names so I suppose it can be a matter of taste as like with anything.
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
2/20/2008 7:51 AM |
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Posted By floodzer on 20 Feb 2008 7:42 AM Im sure what Una means is that names 'shouldnt' matter. i know that's what she means... i'll stop here otherwise i'll have starbelgrade calling me abstruse again...
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QuintBasic Member Posts:209
2/20/2008 7:58 AM |
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Posted By UnaRocks on 20 Feb 2008 7:09 AM names don't matter Ridiculous statement. I'm thinking of starting a band and we are going to call ourselves 'The All-New Mongolian Oversized Purple Diabetic Chicken Dancing Troupe Band Of Doom. On Acid'. We're sticking to it cos 'names don't matter'.
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
2/20/2008 7:58 AM |
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George Bernard and the Hardchaws
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UnaRocksBasic Member Posts:274
2/20/2008 8:02 AM |
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names don't matter though. If the music is good, then it doesn't matter what you're called. Also, if the music is s**t, it doesn't matter what you're called either. "There was a study done a few years ago (can't remember where to find it) that concluded that bands with two words in their name sold better than bands with one word in their name" - that's just a fashion thing. (PS: is that why you're called 'Star Belgrade'?)
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
2/20/2008 8:08 AM |
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of course names don't matter una... ...none of us (apart from starbelgrade it seems) for a moment thought that they did... ...doesn't stop a thread entitled "worst band name ever" having its place at the top table... doesn't warrant a three word response saying "names don't matter" which has nothing to do with it... look at that - i can be clear when i want to be... seems like i have to be...
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PeejayBasic Member Posts:340
2/20/2008 8:14 AM |
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Ridiculous statement. I'm thinking of starting a band and we are going to call ourselves 'The All-New Mongolian Oversized Purple Diabetic Chicken Dancing Troupe Band Of Doom. On Acid'. And if the music is good, people will look past the ridiculous name and just call you The Mongolians or something a little easier. I think she has a point (within reason). The Beatles is a s**t pun as band name. An in-joke that they probably laughed at for about 2mins. Does it matter now? No. If the music is good, you get over the trivial band name and just get on with it. If the music is good. You might be a little less enthusiastic recommending them to your friends though.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
2/20/2008 8:28 AM |
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The Beatles wasn't a bad name for the time, considering other people round them had names like The Crickets, Hermans Hermits, etc. Now it would seem silly, but pretty normal for a 60s pop band.
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/20/2008 8:35 AM |
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Posted By UnaRocks on 20 Feb 2008 8:02 AM names don't matter though. If the music is good, then it doesn't matter what you're called. Also, if the music is s**t, it doesn't matter what you're called either. "There was a study done a few years ago (can't remember where to find it) that concluded that bands with two words in their name sold better than bands with one word in their name" - that's just a fashion thing. (PS: is that why you're called 'Star Belgrade'?) I don't think it's just a fashion thing.. the study was done over a 40 year period, from the early 60s to the late 90s - pretty much the history of popular music. Obviously done by someone with WAY too much time on their hands! I do agree with you though - if the music's good, that's what's important, but (I thought) it was an interesting point when I read about the study. (Still can't remember where though!) I wanted a 2 word band name coz a lot of the bands I like have 2 words in their name (Massive Attack, Cocteau Twins, New Order, Aphex Twin, Velvet Underground, Simple Minds) and picked the name Star Belgrade so if I ever got a Cd into the record stores, it'd be in the 'S' section near my beloved Sonic Youth. Sad or what.
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UnaRocksBasic Member Posts:274
2/20/2008 9:13 AM |
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"picked the name Star Belgrade so if I ever got a Cd into the record stores, it'd be in the 'S' section near my beloved Sonic Youth. Sad or what." haha - good a reason as any!
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vandalaBasic Member Posts:267
2/20/2008 4:33 PM |
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Returning to topic; I think the worst name for any band ever is Crispy Ambulance. I know nothing about that bunch of ne'er-do-wells other than: 1) A reference in a Half Man Half Biscuit (excellent band name) song that goes: "You're going on after Crispy Ambulance". 2) The lead singer "appears" briefly in the recent Joy Division (suitably joyless name for a suitably joyless band, I guess) movie.
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2/20/2008 8:53 PM |
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'Pugwash' is pretty s**te but sure that's all my fault anyway!! I look at it this way.....if you can possibly try and detach your mind from the wonderful careers of certain mega-bands and go back to the day someone said to someone else "How about Radiohead??" or "I think it has to be Coldplay no?" or "Lads come on.....it's GOT to be The Arctic Monkeys!! It says everything about our style" or "I agree with Frank. It's Cactus world news for me!!"..... I've known potentially good bands who have split up because they couldn't agree on a name. The simple answer is 'pick anything', it rarely comes back to haunt you though I'll never forget the time an American fan e-mailed me to say that in some parts of America 'Pugwash' means the first s**t after anal sex!! I still thought "it's better than Pearl Jam"..... T.
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
2/21/2008 2:11 AM |
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Posted By vandala on 20 Feb 2008 4:33 PM Returning to topic; I think the worst name for any band ever is Crispy Ambulance. I know nothing about that bunch of ne'er-do-wells other than: 1) A reference in a Half Man Half Biscuit (excellent band name) song that goes: "You're going on after Crispy Ambulance". 2) The lead singer "appears" briefly in the recent Joy Division (suitably joyless name for a suitably joyless band, I guess) movie. good band though, crispy ambulance... classic early 80's factory records...
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
2/21/2008 3:49 AM |
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T. First class...that final thought is gonna hang! man-o-man-o Simon
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
2/21/2008 3:59 AM |
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I do think band names are getting worse and more pretentious, ok, a lot of it may be down to the fact that all the good ones are probably already taken, but whats with the trend for indie bands using entire sentences as names? "I love you but I've chose darkness", "get cape, wear cape, fly" etc.
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
2/21/2008 4:32 AM |
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Posted By Binokular on 21 Feb 2008 3:59 AM I do think band names are getting worse and more pretentious, ok, a lot of it may be down to the fact that all the good ones are probably already taken, but whats with the trend for indie bands using entire sentences as names? "I love you but I've chose darkness", "get cape, wear cape, fly" etc. haha!...and here's me thinking that those sentences were the new "cool"... i've just named my band "my wife can't wrestle but you should see her box"... would you come and see us?
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
2/21/2008 6:08 AM |
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if I could have a ring side seat
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GroovySteeNew Member Posts:2
2/21/2008 8:50 AM |
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Hey Vandala...just wanted to pull you up on your Joy Divison remark. First of all...the band didn't just pick the name out of the air. There's irony in there. Second of all...Joy Division were not a joyless band. It really pisses me off when people say that. Even Ian Curtis' wife Deborah, had a go at the critics in her book 'Touching From A Distance'...saying that 'Closer' was not the depressing album that people try to make it out to be. And look at 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', not many artists have the ability to make such a lyrically sad song sound so euphorically joyful. 'Band of Gold' by Freda Payne being another I can think of right now. There's way too much emphasis put on Ian Curtis' depression and suicide. Lots of other musicians and artists have taken the same path as Ian without it reflecting as much on how their music is judged. Joy Division recorded some of the ballsiest punk/rock n roll ever made. Please don't be another one of the sheep who tar Joy Division with the 'depressing' tag.
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
2/21/2008 8:55 AM |
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Ithink they are sh*te. have the warsaw bootlegs etc etc and tried my best to get into them a number of years ago.. he couldnt sing and is revered because he died young and tragically..... New Order were far better but thats just opinion.... That band "Walter mitty and the realists" thats a great name
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
2/21/2008 9:08 AM |
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Posted By PARTON on 21 Feb 2008 8:55 AM Ithink they are sh*te. have the warsaw bootlegs etc etc and tried my best to get into them a number of years ago.. he couldnt sing and is revered because he died young and tragically..... New Order were far better but thats just opinion.... That band "Walter mitty and the realists" thats a great name yeah but he wrote some cracking lyrics and his voice was wracked with emotion... what d'you want?... mariah carey?... the last few years have gone a bit mad for this joy division revivalism and all that malarkey unfortunately ends up with the man being put up on a pedestal... i hate the way that happens to dead people... joy division were a great band though, helped along by a great producer...... ..as were new order in the 80's... in fact, my favourite band of the time... we won't talk about everything post 'technique'...
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
2/21/2008 9:15 AM |
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Posted By Ally on 21 Feb 2008 9:08 AM ..as were new order in the 80's... in fact, my favourite band of the time... we won't talk about everything post 'technique'... "Get Ready" was good, "Republic" and "Waiting for the Sirens Call" not so great, but still New Order and even when they're treading water they're still better than half the bands out there.
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
2/21/2008 9:39 AM |
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Posted By Binokular on 21 Feb 2008 9:15 AM Posted By Ally on 21 Feb 2008 9:08 AM ..as were new order in the 80's... in fact, my favourite band of the time... we won't talk about everything post 'technique'... "Get Ready" was good, "Republic" and "Waiting for the Sirens Call" not so great, but still New Order and even when they're treading water they're still better than half the bands out there. actually, i'll agree with everything you said there... ...it's just that they were so magnificent in the 80's... power, corruption and lies, low life, technique and the singles especially... everything about them, from the media shy no publicity stance to the artwork to the contrary attitudes to the actual music was just cool as you like...
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vandalaBasic Member Posts:267
2/21/2008 11:48 AM |
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Groovy Stee: That's all well and good. I still think they were crap. I mean, I liked them when I was seventeen, and bought all their albums, but I'm twice that age now and they don't wear well. I think they're hugely over-rated; it's got nothing to do with them being "depressing"; it's more like I just find them dull. And I'm aware of the "irony" of the name. Cheers.
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GroovySteeNew Member Posts:2
2/21/2008 6:48 PM |
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I'm not far behind you vandala and a long time fan...they still do it for me. Fair enough...they have become quite fashionable to say the least in the last year or so. But I wouldn't let that stop me liking a band. The kids will get bored with it soon but their music will stand the test of time. Anyhoo my problem was with them being labelled depressing which is a tag they are too easily labelled with.
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John DoeBasic Member Posts:338
2/22/2008 3:43 AM |
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Posted By Binokular on 21 Feb 2008 3:59 AM I do think band names are getting worse and more pretentious, ok, a lot of it may be down to the fact that all the good ones are probably already taken, but whats with the trend for indie bands using entire sentences as names? "I love you but I've chose darkness", "get cape, wear cape, fly" etc. I actually like names like that. And You Shall Know Us By the Trail of Dead is another. Bit of a mouthful but at least it grabs your attention. I'd feel a lot less embarassed telling someone I was going to see a band called Get Cape etc. than telling them I was going to see Ham f*cking Sandwich !
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
2/22/2008 4:05 AM |
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The should have called themselves "I'd kill for a hang sangwich and a cup o' tae" so.
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/22/2008 4:19 AM |
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Or 'Ham Fucking Sandwich'.. cool in a 'Man Bites Dog' kinda way
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
2/22/2008 9:42 AM |
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I think ham sandwich are only brutal....but they have everbody talking about them...so crap name or no crap name ppl know who they are....
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2/22/2008 9:54 AM |
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I have to say the all time worst band name- in terms of trying to purposely offend and also as its rate of shock value is in direct proportion to their talent (generic, gutteral metal nonsense)- is A**l C**t... absolute rubbish. Also, what about bands whose members come up with wacky monickers? The Young Knives, for example. I'm not a huge fan of their late 70s post-punk aping, though they don't bother me too much- but they all have 'kerrazy' names...can't remember all of them but I think the bass player is called 'The House of Lords'. He's just your typical nerd with Rivers Cuomo style specs and a shirt that marks him out as someone who works in the IT dept. No doubt it's meant to be ironic-weird names/terribly sensible look...still crap though.
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vandalaBasic Member Posts:267
2/23/2008 6:08 PM |
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As much as I adore them, "Pixies" (as opposed to oftly mis-appropriated "The Pixies"), was always a truly appalling name for a band. But I guess you can get away with anything if you are hugely talented...
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floodzerBasic Member Posts:181
2/26/2008 5:12 AM |
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Posted By Binokular on 21 Feb 2008 3:59 AM I do think band names are getting worse and more pretentious, ok, a lot of it may be down to the fact that all the good ones are probably already taken, but whats with the trend for indie bands using entire sentences as names? "I love you but I've chose darkness", "get cape, wear cape, fly" etc. So true. The Cape one is ridiculous.
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floodzerBasic Member Posts:181
2/26/2008 5:17 AM |
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Posted By vandala on 23 Feb 2008 6:08 PM "Pixies" (as opposed to oftly mis-appropriated "The Pixies People always make this mistake with Doves aswell... This peeves me!
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
2/26/2008 5:59 AM |
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ahhh..the doves and the pixies, 2 great bands PQ
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floodzerBasic Member Posts:181
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/26/2008 9:51 AM |
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How about The The The?
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
2/26/2008 9:52 AM |
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i referred to them as da the
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sealed_humanNew Member Posts:8
2/27/2008 4:50 AM |
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'Does this offend you? ...yeah' or something similar, they're on the NME tour this year. I'd love to go up to them a la the old Harry Enfield character from the Hula Hoops ads and say 'Oi, w*nkers, NOOO!'... and then begin to rant over how stupid that name is. Its not big, and its not clever
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StrangegravyNew Member Posts:35
2/27/2008 7:09 AM |
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'The All-New Mongolian Oversized Purple Diabetic Chicken Dancing Troupe Band Of Doom. On Acid' I would buy this bands album on name alone... :-) I think Parton hit it on the head, who cares if people think the bands name is sh*t as long as people are talking about them! If the band has the music to back it up, they'll more often then not gain themselves a fan, all on the basis of their sh*t/brilliant name!
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/27/2008 7:29 AM |
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Dennis Hopper Chopper .. not sure if I like it or hate it!
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QuintBasic Member Posts:209
2/27/2008 7:57 AM |
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Posted By starbelgrade on 26 Feb 2008 9:51 AM How about The The The? Or as they say in Yorkshire ' '
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UnaRocksBasic Member Posts:274
2/27/2008 8:29 AM |
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Posted By Quint on 27 Feb 2008 7:57 AM Posted By starbelgrade on 26 Feb 2008 9:51 AM How about The The The? Or as they say in Yorkshire ' ' haha
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PeejayBasic Member Posts:340
2/27/2008 8:29 AM |
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Posted By Quint on 27 Feb 2008 7:57 AM Posted By starbelgrade on 26 Feb 2008 9:51 AM How about The The The? Or as they say in Yorkshire ' ' heheh...very good
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
2/27/2008 8:38 AM |
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Mick Salmon and the Cutlets
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/27/2008 8:53 AM |
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Posted By PARTON on 27 Feb 2008 8:38 AM Mick Salmon and the Cutlets Do they play surf n'turf music?
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
2/27/2008 9:20 AM |
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Smokey Rock n Roll....... Sometimes a bit cheesy though.....they were good for the first few albums but began to stink after a while...
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/27/2008 9:57 AM |
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Posted By PARTON on 27 Feb 2008 9:20 AM Smokey Rock n Roll....... Sometimes a bit cheesy though.....they were good for the first few albums but began to stink after a while... So they started out as a nice smoked Gruyere and turned into a bad Roquefort!
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/27/2008 9:58 AM |
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Ten bands with food in their names... 1. Red Hot Chili Peppers 2. Bread 3. Godley and Creme 4. The Cranberries 5. Hot Chocolate 6. Martha And The Muffins 7. Salt N' Pepa 8. Smashing Pumpkins 9. The Lemonheads 10. Strawberry Switchblade
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starbelgradeAdvanced Member Posts:715
2/27/2008 10:06 AM |
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Then there's always.. Neneh Cherry, Eagle Eye Cherry Bananarama The Jam Meat Loaf Cream Lemon Jelly Sugar Ray Pearl Jam Black Grape Fish Cake Sale Soup Dragons Fuzzy Duck Muffin Men My Friend the Chocolate Cake Black Eyed Peas Tangerine Dream Veruca Salt Fiona Apple Walter Trout Country Joe and the Fish Sweet Honey in the Rock Klewitz Burger Milk and Honey Band Blue Oyster Cult Damien Rice String Cheese Incident Bowling for Soup Peaches and of course... Half Man, Half Biscuit (phew!)
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locustabortiontechnicianNew Member Posts:6
3/5/2008 5:02 AM |
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Some of the best selling bands of all time have had truly woegeous names - The Beatles, Pearl Jam, U2, The Smashing Pumpkins. I think Ham Sandwich is a great name for a band, but as some have said, I don't the name is that important. Great band names - ...and you will know us by the trail of dead, Ween, Meat Puppets, Neutral Milk Hotel.
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3/5/2008 8:11 PM |
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Has anyone mentioned 'On A Friday' yet?
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