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Last Post 10/19/2006 10:49 AM by PeterQuaife

Review of the immediate album

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PeterQuaife

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10/19/2006 10:49 AM
5/10 - thats just wrong! Reeks of being different for the sake of being different. PQ

nerraw

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10/19/2006 10:51 AM
Agreed, The Immediate are very possibly be the greatest live act since The Jesus and Houdini Cabaret Show

Daragh

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10/19/2006 11:40 AM
maybe he just didn't like the album? Havent heard it yet myself so cant comment, but some savage live bands just dont come across on record.

Frankie Teardrop

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10/19/2006 11:51 AM
The Immediate wouldn't be my cup of tea at all, cool album cover though!

silentsigh

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10/19/2006 12:39 PM
Yeh, thought it was terrible review. I think its an excellent debut album.probably give it an eight/ten especially with tracks like aspects,fashion or faith,big sad eyes,Let this light fill yur eyes, in towers in clouds and Cant stop moving! couple of average tunes, but thats it.

ctrlaltdelete

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10/19/2006 12:59 PM
I mostly agree with the review. Album's got some good moments and is promising but it's also incoherent and lacks focus. Proabaly wouldn't be so harsh, but it's definatley not the amazing debut that it's been hailed in some quarters. I've seen some mixed reviews of this album elsewhere, so i don't think aiden is being 'different for the sake of being different'

Una

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10/19/2006 1:07 PM
one person's incoherance is another's eclecticism, a lack of focus could be experimental. It's all down to interpretation and opinion.

Garret

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10/19/2006 1:46 PM
Mongrel gave it a medioccre rating too

roadhousemag

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10/19/2006 1:55 PM
ah yeah, they are a very visual band in alot of respects..i first saw them around two years ago and thought the show was deadly,then i heard some tunes on tom dunne from their pending album and i wasnt mad about them immediately (no pun intended) but having seen them at the weekend i'm gonna give the album a try. still contrasting opinions make it all the more interesting and if the reviewer genuinely didnt like the album then fair enough.... proves there is a diversity of opinion of people who use teh site, nothing wrong that..i'd say alot of folks would complain (even the band) if EVERYBODY thought they were brilliant..

dera

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10/19/2006 2:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una one person's incoherance is another's eclecticism, a lack of focus could be experimental. It's all down to interpretation and opinion. I'm fairly sure no one would claim The Immediate are an experimental band, whatever else one might say!

Una

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10/19/2006 2:21 PM
The album is a bit of work to listen to, but I've found that because of this element, every time you return to it, you hear something new. I guess it depends on what you want from your music.

Pool Cleaning Guy

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10/19/2006 2:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una one person's incoherance is another's eclecticism, a lack of focus could be experimental. It's all down to interpretation and opinion. Agreed. And I don't think people should be using words like "terrible" to describe a review just because they disagree with the reviewer's opinion of the work. One man's Meat Loaf is another man's Poison as they say. Plus, The Immediate are dire. I'd only dismiss a review as terrible if the person writing it gives you the impression that English is not his or her first language. Which, let's be honest, describes a hell of a lot of reviewers. Not here, or at The Tribune, obviously.

Daragh

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10/19/2006 3:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pool Cleaning Guy Not here, or at The Tribune, obviously.

nerraw

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10/19/2006 3:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pool Cleaning Guy quote: Originally posted by Una one person's incoherance is another's eclecticism, a lack of focus could be experimental. It's all down to interpretation and opinion. Agreed. And I don't think people should be using words like "terrible" to describe a review just because they disagree with the reviewer's opinion of the work. One man's Meat Loaf is another man's Poison as they say. Plus, The Immediate are dire. I'd only dismiss a review as terrible if the person writing it gives you the impression that English is not his or her first language. Which, let's be honest, describes a hell of a lot of reviewers. Not here, or at The Tribune, obviously. I disagree. It's a review, tell me whether its s**t or not. The only person that can get away with inane ramblings is AA Gill. Some reviews try too hard prove that 'although I'm just a reviewer, I'm also a great writer with a wonderful vocabulary, look at how I describe the melodies.' Some of the best reviews are by Mongrel and cluas, a percentage/score and some funny lines. Spare me the wafflings.

Antistar

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10/19/2006 3:29 PM
If we are talking about inane ramblings passing itself off as 'journalism' the biggest culprit in my book is the Sunday Independent's Declan Lynch. I haven't a clue what he's on about most of the time.

roadhousemag

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10/19/2006 3:32 PM
i agree, he just writes about what he personally likes rather than reviewing new records that are released... the new radiators record, i read his review of it..he donated in teh region of a 1000 words to it...lots of personal nostalgia bla bla bla..... then again the sunday indo is west brit nonsense... two words that sum the integrity of the arts section of that paper/rag BARRY EGAN......

Pool Cleaning Guy

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10/19/2006 3:48 PM
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Personally, I like a review to be entertaining. I detest that dreary style of reviewing where people who (in my view) have no feel or enthusiasm for music whatsoever think it's enough to make a point, then back up using quotations, like it's the bloody Leaving Cert Poetry question. For my money, Aidan (sorry to talk about you like this in front of everybody) is the best writer on here. He knows how to put a sentence together in a way that's pleasing and, equally importantly, his enthusiasm and passion for music is obvious. You may disagree with his opinions but, in my opinion, that doesn't justify sticking the terrible tag on his review. These are the kind of reviews I want to read. I'm far more likely to become intrigued by a favourable review if it's written nicely, and you get the feeling that there's an enthusiasm there. I need to almost form a relationship with the writer, to get the sense that, on a fundamental level,he or she gets it. Too much music writing in this country is staid and boring, written by people who don't give the impression that they truly love it. I know for a fact that there are loads of Irish Rock hacks for whom it's much more about the ligging and the hot tickets than it is about the tunes. I'm not going to trust those people when it comes to shelling out my hard earned. Write well, show me the passion, and you've got me. Keep up the good work, Aidan.

PeterQuaife

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10/19/2006 4:11 PM
"A bit more work on the songwriting and then we might be in business" - ?????? What does this mean? Does the reviewer have some kind of song-writing measuring stick? For what its worth, I've been listening to the album loads whilst clocking up the miles with work, and to me its a corker, up there with Doolittle. PQ

admin

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10/19/2006 4:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife For what its worth, I've been listening to the album loads whilst clocking up the miles with work, and to me its a corker, up there with Doolittle. Cool, so why not write up a review to that effect and submit it? If it's well written I'll publish it alongside Aidan's. Eoghan.

roadhousemag

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10/19/2006 4:22 PM
thats actually a good idea, once it doesnt run with the hotpress thing of "good review..v..bad review"..just two reviews....

Daragh

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10/19/2006 4:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife What does this mean? Does the reviewer have some kind of song-writing measuring stick? yup, just like everyone else, taste.

dera

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10/19/2006 5:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Admin quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife For what its worth, I've been listening to the album loads whilst clocking up the miles with work, and to me its a corker, up there with Doolittle. Cool, so why not write up a review to that effect and submit it? If it's well written I'll publish it alongside Aidan's. Eoghan. I think you should definitely put that line about Doolittle in there

Antistar

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10/19/2006 5:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife "A bit more work on the songwriting and then we might be in business" - ?????? What does this mean? Does the reviewer have some kind of song-writing measuring stick? For what its worth, I've been listening to the album loads whilst clocking up the miles with work, and to me its a corker, up there with Doolittle. PQ Whooooaaaa!! Easy now, hold on there one second!!!: up there with Doolittle????????? We're still talking about The Immediate album here, are we?

PeterQuaife

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10/19/2006 5:48 PM
you better believe it, and I hold Doolittle in the highest regard. PQ

hearty

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10/20/2006 1:10 PM
i would agree with the review. i would probably have given them another "point" however. i believe the immediate will develop and get better, and look forward to future releases by them. i don't subscribe to the notion that if you don't like the album you are in some way "not getting it" or "not into the art of it" or whatever. also a brave move by the reviewer, i'm sure he realised that his review would get negative reaction from some quarters.

Hantori

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10/23/2006 10:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by roadhousemag then again the sunday indo is west brit nonsense... two words that sum the integrity of the arts section of that paper/rag BARRY EGAN...... Is it now? Could someone explain to me what west brit nonsense exactly means?

nerraw

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10/24/2006 4:08 PM
West Brit, generally used to describe people who have sympathies towards Britain. In the Sindo sense, probably refers to their anti SF stance and their perceived fixation on D4. Either way Egan is a joke

Peaches

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10/25/2006 11:15 AM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw Either way Egan is a joke Indeed he is..there's a fierce bang of wantin to be Hucknall off him,thinks he's home with the downies!

Antistar

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10/25/2006 12:14 PM
Egan is beyond parody. Has anyone else noticed his disturbing obsession with 'Ireland's Most Famous Lawyer' Gerald Kean? Sick.

roadhousemag

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10/25/2006 12:27 PM
yep, he is obsessed with SEMI famous clowns who live in castles near bono, and whose wives insist on taking riciculous double barrel names, thus they can stand out at the even more ridiculous charity nob dos they go to.....oh and glenda with the serial killer eyebrows..... the whole paper is crazy...it says alot about modern ireland and young ireland in particular that the sindo is the leading sunday broadsheet....

alameda

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10/25/2006 1:01 PM
tis a sorry state of affairs, the amount of vitriol emanating from the various hacks in that paper is frightening, equally though the amount of obsequieous almost incestuous articles is almost as disturbing the rot started when journalists began bast*rdising their christian names - 'aingeala'? 'oonagh'?! pass the sick bag

Una

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10/25/2006 1:04 PM
"it says alot about modern ireland and young ireland" I don't know any 'young people' who buy the SIndo. It think it's mainly people who have always bought it out of habit. It's a legacy kind of thing I think. People will always stick to something they're used to, whether it declines or improves in quality is irrelevant really.

nerraw

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10/25/2006 1:06 PM
You mean THE Gerald Kean, Lawyer to the stars, society lawyer, legal eagle star, celebirty lawyer etc. They have all been used to describe him in the past. I for one cannot wait for the next installment. I love Glenda though, Ireland's only model. Would've agreed with you Una a few months ago that people buy it out of habit but in recent times and through various conversations, seems a lot of young people are buying it. Crazy.

Una

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10/25/2006 1:14 PM
that's just weird nerraw. I have to say, it's the only Sunday paper (minus the tabs) that I don't buy.

nerraw

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10/25/2006 1:19 PM
It is, tres weird. I don't buy it myself and no-one I know buys it but just in recent months I've heard the dreaded words of the sindo and read, numerous times. You don't buy the tabs? Snob ;)

Una

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10/25/2006 1:23 PM

roadhousemag

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10/25/2006 2:54 PM
I think the sindo are blatantly trying to hit the new "rich twenty-thirty somethings who watch bb but not q&a"......quite honestly there is very little opinion in it at all....no substance..christ even the tabs have opinion in their sports section...... ok, that "o2" team piece for instance,...that was a stunt to reign in the women of ireland who are in their twenties,5000 words on the link between big brother and modern-post-modern-feminism whatsit.... usually accompanied by a pic of four birds wearing belts on dollymount strand.... To accompany Brendan O'Connor's rise to fame in rte lets start sticking him on the front page of the paper...with a diary no less at the back of the magazine... I get the papers for free in work so i see all this, i used to buy the sindo, for gene kerrigan primarily though...even he's lost his soul of late.... business section is good.

nerraw

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10/25/2006 3:20 PM
Ah sure no newspaper covers themselves in glory. every paper is a little bit s**t and a little bit good.

roadhousemag

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10/25/2006 3:25 PM
true i suppose, but i think the business section of the sindo is the only part of the paper worth a s**te, and if we could go back to the thread topic here, a review like aidans would never feature or be written by lynch or uugghhhhh.....egan.....the immediate would probably not feature there either...unless one of them married a corr or played at the wedding of a double barrel namer.....

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