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Hot Press - Acts for 2005
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Unicron
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1/21/2005 5:32 PM
no, no it's not
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1/21/2005 5:36 PM
cheers for the thoughts folks.. am closing down my thought process on this one and will see you in the next thread i do!! successful first one me thinks,,, pilchard i get the sense of humour there... risky words to be sayin around these parts them bands! good wknd all flipper
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1/21/2005 6:52 PM
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The worst thing about Hotpress is that they are so unwelcoming to new writers. I submitted some ideas through email which were ignored. But then I saw in the next issue my ideas taken on by their own writers. Very annonying. I've always stressed that Hotpress and The Ticket are in desperate need for freshness in the form of new young writers. Stokes should just quit really or hand the duties down. Tanya Sweeney is a decent writer (don't care what she writes in Evening Herald as that is a complete rag) and as for Olaf being colourful, he's a s**t writer with a terrible taste in music and no journalistic skills plus he's a d**khead (I read his autobiography, what a prick he comes across as). People who read my posts will know that I never attack anyone verbally but it pisses me off that the only real regular music magazine that our island has is run in such bad way. I still read it very fortnight, not as if i'm going to start a one man boycott but it does need some spring cleaning. Yeah Foggy Notions was pretty good. They have some really interesting interviews, the last two I remember were with PJ Harvey and then one with Dirty Three. Shame it isn't more regularly released, if it is still going that is.
haha, so it just isnt me that thinks Olaf is a s**t writer ! I often find myself struggling to get halfway through his articles for loosing interest, even if he is writing on a band/subject that I have an interest in. I think hotpress has had its day really. It only seems to speak to those so called 'trendy' 30 somethings who change their fads from one minute to the next, be it music, fashion or whatever. The amount of non musical nonsence in the paper is just laughable. There just seems such a lack of passion about it all. Hotpress is not a sinking ship in my opinion though, cause it has already sunk, there is no way back for hotpress !
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1/21/2005 6:58 PM
... Also my hope for 2005 is Pony Club, they played some great gigs last year in Whelans, The Hub & at the HWCH festivaal they were amazing for the 30 mins or so on stage. They are recording their 3rd album at the moment and this will be make or break but I hope they will do it ! If ever there was a band that we could be proud of, if ever there was a band that said something to us... then I believe its Pony Club !
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1/21/2005 8:15 PM
Did anyone hear the one about the writer for a certain Irish Music magazine that was asked to review the debut album of a Dublin based Band who had just scored a distribution deal with a major label? The band who had previously enjoyed a minor hit with their cover of an Australian one hit wonder from the 80s had been favourites of the magazine for a while. However the journalist in question realised just how poor the album was and gave it a dismal review. Not leaving anything to chance the record label demanded to see a copy of the review before the magazine went to press. They were less then impressed and threatened to pull all advertising from the magazine unless it was changed. The editor daunted at the prospect of all that lost revenue stepped it, reviewed the album himself and gave it nine out of then. He not only gave them a full page review but actually mentioned the talentless chancers in the same breath as Kate Bush, The Rolling Stones, Janis Joplin and Emmylou Harris. Funny story isn't it?
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1/21/2005 11:47 PM
Would that happen to be the infamous 'Saucy Monky' review?
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1/22/2005 1:32 AM
What comes to mind when I think of Hot Press: 1: Hair Gel adverts (plus free sachet!). 2: Crappy Editorial. 3: An odd, rather unsettling fascination with Saucy Monkey. 4: Ludicrous sex column. Ooh, how daring. 5: Olaf Tyaransen. The worst writer in the world. 6: D-List celebs/Andrea Roche posing in the back pages with a glass of wine at some 'launch'/film premiere. 7: The Frames. 8: Having a quick glance through it in Tower Records but never, ever buying it. 9: Gig guide that you can get for free elsewhere. 10:Mobile phone adverts (no free phone, sadly). Thank You Good Night
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1/22/2005 11:57 AM
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What comes to mind when I think of Hot Press: 9: Gig guide that you can get for free elsewhere.
Ahem , with commentary as well. By the way, I went to one of the gigs I plugged in the latest gig guide last night, Ch-1 in Crawdaddy. It was brilliant, they'll never be massive (unfortunately) but they'll be one of those bands that people namedrop to show how in the know they are. Bit too much reverb on the vocals though.
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1/22/2005 12:19 PM
ah briliant stuff stroller! a magazine (HOTPRESS!) being f**ked up the ass by a record copmpany, who'd have thunk it! now ye see that sort of stuff couldn't have ever happened with the slate........please somebody bring back the slate!!!!
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1/22/2005 8:42 PM
If that Saucy Monkey story is true I actaully think that I have more respect for them as a magazine for selling out on the issue rather then them genuinely liking the record, whats Tom Dunne's excuse?
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1/24/2005 9:43 AM
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If that Saucy Monkey story is true I actaully think that I have more respect for them as a magazine for selling out on the issue rather then them genuinely liking the record, whats Tom Dunne's excuse?
whaddya think? 2 girls in a band? tom dunne? need i go on?
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1/24/2005 7:01 PM
just reading this and laughing, this actually makes me want to buy the magazine more, just so i can read it knowing that behind the piece of paper i read there was a sh1t load of hassle and bribery and probably in house fighting over articles! hah. if you look at all the bands that are gettin on well, most of them have actually been put through a formulaic process, so i think force feeding people though mtv2 etc etc is working. how else do explain something like robbie williams playing in slane and a million examples since. call me cynical but not enough bands are sayin anything worthwhile. its why i love therapy?, they might not be the best band in the world,but cairns is able to write about stuff he sees rather than just what he(chr1st im really typing the next bit, am i?) "feels"(eg: any of the bloody dreadful singersongwriters). i can almost hear someone tutting at me!
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1/26/2005 10:31 AM
Its not like Hotpress is NME or Melody Maker. Its just the best we have.
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1/26/2005 11:34 AM
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Its not like Hotpress is NME or Melody Maker. Its just the best we have.
sweet jesus almighty, what an irish reply - "its the best we have". up there with "sure, it will do" and "i have a snaking regard for..." as the cop-outs which are bolted in the irish psyche HP is utter rubbish. once upon a time, it was not. that time is long past and HP is still trying to trade on past glories. there are several remedies for the HP mess and they have been put fwd in this thread - new editor and writers spring to mind. Problem is HP will not change because they are making enuff money from the suckers who advertise in it and the bigger suckers who buy it because "it's the best we have".
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1/26/2005 3:32 PM
Hotpress is the best we have because simply put, it is the only music magazine we really have. Yes there are other publications that spring up or exist for a small few fans but Hotpress is basically the only music magazine that Ireland produces on a regular basis. And I wouldn't want to turn this into an anti Hotpress thing, as there are some good things in it. It's just that the bad content, layout etc over-ride the positive aspects of the magazine. It's like The Savoy being our National Cinema, everyone knows it needs alot of work and people still go there alot yet it still remains our main cinema.
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1/26/2005 3:43 PM
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Hotpress is the best we have because simply put, it is the only music magazine we really have. Yes there are other publications that spring up or exist for a small few fans but Hotpress is basically the only music magazine that Ireland produces on a regular basis. And I wouldn't want to turn this into an anti Hotpress thing, as there are some good things in it. It's just that the bad content, layout etc over-ride the positive aspects of the magazine. It's like The Savoy being our National Cinema, everyone knows it needs alot of work and people still go there alot yet it still remains our main cinema.
I've been thinking about that reply i posted above, it might seem as if i'm being a little harsh on publiusenigma but i didnt mean to be. yes, HP is the only (mostly) music mag produced regularly here. yes, there have been many attempts to provide alternatives (online and offline) but none have lasted the pace. but this still cannot and does not excuse how little HP reflects what it is going on at the coalface of the music industry here. every so often, i see a copy in someone's office or house and i flip thru it. nothing has changed they have a Demo Dip which still reads like something u'd get in Ireland's Own. the only time they tackle the industry here is when they have ads to sell or want to do a "the best PA humper in the land" kind of tribute. you never ever read an indepth examination of what is WRONG with the industry here and why this is so - in fact, according to a UK industry mag Five Eight, the only paper which examined the Music Board of Ireland debacle in any depth was The Irish Times, not the 1st title which springs to mind when u think of music in Ireland. HP didnt go near it because they are too close to the industry here and know that any sort of negative coverage means less ads. I dont want to be anti-HP or turn this into an anti-HP thread. But we shouldnt allow a perception to exist that just because it is the only music title in the land, we should just accept it. BTW have just heard The Magic Numbers' single. my breath has been taken away to somewhere very strange.
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1/26/2005 4:18 PM
In your opinion, What is the alternative currently available then Pilchard?
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1/26/2005 4:41 PM
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In your opinion, What is the alternative currently available then Pilchard?
i think this was covered in another thread gar but to recap. in terms of music magazines, there are NO alternatives available at the moment because there are no magazines with national distribution which cover music to the same extent as HP. There are several magazines/titles who cover music but whose main role/selling point is not music - such as the various supplements provided by national newspapers (The Ticket, Night & Day as well as music coverage in the various arts/entertainment pages). In most of these cases, they have a bigger and wider readership than HP but people are not buying these solely for how they are covering music. Some are but only in small percentages - ie i'd say that about 10-15 percent of those who buy the irish times on a friday are doing so to read CD reviews in The Ticket, There are various fanzines which are location-dependant and so do not have a big audience. Same with listings mags in Dublin or Cork or Galway or Clonmel. The real alternative is provided by online magazines/forums/what have u like Cluas and Thumped and this has been the case since online mags like Muse started in the late 1990s. This is where the alternatives to outofdate and hackneyed print mags exist because it is here that people who are eager to talk about new music or hear about new music or discuss new music can be found. Its music fanatics and those who work at the coalface of the industry (ie i'd be shocked if anyone who works for a major record label reads Cluas) who come here to post or lurk. hope this makes sense
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1/26/2005 4:44 PM
Good points made. Let us hope that some magazine comes into exsistence someday soon!!!!
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1/26/2005 4:47 PM
Have you given any consideration to the fact that the absence of quality music mags is mainly down to the fact that there's little or no market for them? In fact, in the wider scheme of things, the whole history of the magazine industry in Dublin/Ireland seems pretty shambolic...interesting publications folding after a handful of issues (Foggy Notion, etc), longer-established ones folding because of poor sales (D-Side, etc). I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but thought it might be worth a mention.
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