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2004.... a small review
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kierry
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11/24/2004 1:35 PM
is this another way of promoting Jove? are you the same 'mystery A&R man' as before with the Olympia gig? why don't i believe any of this? am i a bad person?
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11/24/2004 1:36 PM
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they're out to get you?!!......why?
Ah it's nothing really, I mailed you about it.
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11/24/2004 1:40 PM
actually its so dopily obvious that 'kerb' and 'carlsberg' are both Jove's manager.
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11/24/2004 1:42 PM
Originally posted by kerb
Cheers Gar I saw the Republic of loose review alright but didnt see the Polar/66e one. Likewise Gar, I have seen so many gigs this year. Am winding down. Next two I am at are Republic of Loose for Ambassador and Jove for Voodoo then I think i am going on a break!! Are you referring to this "the gibbons"? Gar said there were reviews on cluas about that gig and asked if i saw them. I said "I didnt see the polar/66e one" meaning REVIEW!!!!!! Lads lets get something straight here as its really pissing me off. I posted up my opinions on who i thought were bands to watch for next year and gave it a little drama with 5 titles as categories. Thats all, make your own minds up. I am not saying I am right. Why do Jove references constantly keep coming up on this thread? Have you something against them? Did in not mention four other groups and write about them plus an additional 6 listed? If i put Republic of Loose on as BEST BAND would i be there manager or promoting them? I dont recall mentioning Jove other then they and the Republic of Loose gigs were ones I have penciled in for this year... What is the problem guys? Only thing I know is Jove for some Bizarre reason get bashed here alot. By the way "the gibbons"... new member i see... interesting..... welcome! If you dont rate them fair enough, i do, my opinion, but I dont understand why you all keep referring to them constantly when i Dont?!!! There is no connection for Gods sake.
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11/24/2004 1:49 PM
Who is the band that are going to make it next year?
Unicron
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11/24/2004 1:50 PM
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If you're good you will make it. Don't think that most bands in ireland deserve to release their records. The strength of bands in the UK/US is unbelieveable. Look at the bands that have emerged in the last two years? Franz Ferdinand, the Killers, The Streets, The Ordinary Boys to name but a small few. Do we have anything in this country that could do it on the same scale? I think not.
Well it's all down to personal taste isn't it? I tend to not be crazy about whatever the NME throws at us and tells us to like, of the bands that you listed I can take Franz Ferdinand in small doses and it's only the Killers that I really like, the rest ... meh. As for the statement that "If you're good you'll make it", I think a more accurate phrase is "if the labels think that you'll sell you'll make it" Probably the second best record of the new millenium that I've heard (The Meadowlands by The Wrens) was made by a bunch of part-time musicians who recorded in a living room on their saturdays off, if it was just a question of quality these guys would be stars, but they're not.
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11/24/2004 1:54 PM
CAN EVERYONE READ THIS PLEASE People, I am new to this. As in, not member of Cluas long. Am 34, gay, advertising executive who loves music. Have watched this post with interest. Firstly interest as to the bands mentioned. Some i agree with, other I have not seen. The thread was developing into a pretty good topic with a number of bands being mentioned a couple of times. Since middle of page 2 it appears to have drawn into yet another bash "Jove" post. Despite the fact that the guy mentioned them only twice. As BEST BAND & as a gig he was going to catch. So am wondering what the problem is as well. I am going to Voodoo merely for because I want to make my own mind up and I am going to post on here the following Monday with my opinions. If I like them i will say so, if not, i will say so. I am wondering if a band who has decided to take this sh** hole of an industry by the boll*x, do something about it has become unpopular on that note? If so, we're pretty small minded people. Am reserving further comment till Monday 6th, post JOVE!!! In the meantime as someone who has not seen the band in awhile, and has nothing vested in this, lay off them till you can voice your own opinions.
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11/24/2004 1:57 PM
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Who is the band that are going to make it next year?
Like I said earlier, Bell X1, they've consistantly recieved good press in the UK media but haven't yet managed to convert that into regular airplay but more and more people are coming to their shows over there. New album out in March, if it's going to be anyone it'll be them.
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11/24/2004 2:02 PM
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Originally posted by bonzo
Who is the band that are going to make it next year?
Like I said earlier, Bell X1, they've consistantly recieved good press in the UK media but haven't yet managed to convert that into regular airplay but more and more people are coming to their shows over there. New album out in March, if it's going to be anyone it'll be them.
I meant for Kerb to tell us - he alluded to it earlier on.
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11/24/2004 2:05 PM
at the risk of sounding incredibly foolish, who or what the hell are/is Jove? thanks kerb for your update. i await the arrival of whoever it is - i hope its andy mcdonald, i always liked him at Go Discs - into the irish scene.
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11/24/2004 2:11 PM
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Originally posted by bonzo I meant for Kerb to tell us - he alluded to it earlier on.
Righto, sorry, thought it was a general question.
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11/24/2004 2:12 PM
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Originally posted by bonzo I meant for Kerb to tell us - he alluded to it earlier on.
Righto, sorry, thought it was a general question.
No probs. I await Kerb's response with interest. Presume it is Jove!
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11/24/2004 2:28 PM
Pilchard at the risk of being accused of being Jove's manager, sure why dont we all be Jove's manager, its www.jove.ie
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11/24/2004 2:43 PM
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Pilchard at the risk of being accused of being Jove's manager, sure why dont we all be Jove's manager, its www.jove.ie
ta flipper. i'll download some of their stuff and have a listen and, yes, make my own mind up.
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11/24/2004 4:38 PM
they are a fantastic band! the new album is going to be AMAZING!!
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BEST LIVE* 66e - Stole the show for me at Hard Working Class Hero's on the Sunday. It's Radiohead without the confusion. Like being at the opera or listening to songs made for swirling Orchestration. Their debut album is released in January followed by a nationwide tour. Their most recent gig in Whelans with Polar confirmed to me what a truly amazing band this really was. I believe everyone should make the effort to see them once.
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11/24/2004 4:41 PM
and out of interest who are you a & r for kerb?
bonzo
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11/24/2004 5:15 PM
I think he couldn't say.
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11/24/2004 6:11 PM
"What's the problem, guys?" I'll tell you what the problem is, at least from where I'm standing. 1) First of all, you may well work in A&R. If you do, congratulations. However, prefacing almost every point you make with the statement "I work in A&R" and then, with the all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, twisting the discussion around to make comment about Jove - a band, let's face it, very few people have heard of it - is pretty annoying. Regardless of whether or not you have any immediate connection to the band, you are clearly going out of your way to drum up publicity for them. As this site is intended as a place where people come and discuss what they like and dislike about music, it seems like an extremely manipulative move. So, don't hold your hands up and feign innocence if some people get annoyed. 2)Regardless of Jove's decision to book the Olympia, according to their site they've played 8 gigs. If you like the band, fair enough: what puzzles me, however, is the gushing nature of your posts. "The guitars pelt your ears from all angles, strings & soaring vocals drive stakes deep inside the heart & I am beginning to believe that there IS room for Jove & Muse on this planet. No releases planned this side of 05 so LIVE is where its at for you if you've not seen them. Managed by one of the most genuine & ambitious people I have ever met, Voodoo Lounge on the 3rd of December is the only place you should be. Ireland's next superstars?!" Again, this is so bloody in-your-face that it's bound to piss people off. Have a bit of restraint, man! 3)Both yourself and Carlsberg have, on several occasions, attempted to use this website to sing the praises of Jove. You're more than entitled do. However, your tendency to side-swipe any criticism of your position by invoking the holier-than-thou maxim of "support an Irish band", is, again, incredibly annoying. There are plenty of bands people on this site support all the time. The inherent criticism appears to be about your tactics, not about your band. In addition to this, accusations about "begrudgery" (I'm not saying you've made them personally, but they've been bandied around), in this case, are entirely irrelevant. For an individual to begrudge an Irish band success implies that the band have been successful in the first place. Given the fact that Jove have not had any success yet makes that accusation pointless. 4) Why do you find it so surprising that people are going to think that you and Carlsberg are the same person? In addition to the points above, both of you appear to express yourself in a very similar way. At the very least you certainly know each other, and are definitely aware of the agenda you are setting. Again, this is no crime, but don't be surprised if people find it irritating. 5) Finally, a note to the moderators. Perhaps it might be an idea, as on other boards, to have the I/P address of the poster logged and displayed. While I'm aware there are ways around it (eg. logging on from a different PC), it might help to resolve some of the difficulties people have had with this whole debate. And, oh, by the way. I've never seen Jove live. I have listened to their mp3s, however, and was, profoundly moved neither way. Regards V
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11/24/2004 7:27 PM
I dont believe we're actually doing this. Now let me draw you all to some facts in this paranoid conspiracy. Kerb mentioned Jove as BEST BAND in his original post - he then repsonded to Gar about gigs and that his next two were ROL in the Ambassador & Jove. He posted 3 times on page 3 before becoming defensive or mentioning Jove. That was after a barrage of insults including "why dont you sign them instead of waffling & grow a set of balls". The only other time he mentioned he was A&R was when he again defended himself by saying he was simply !A&R not god"!.. in other words dont be surprised to see him on here. Let get something else straight here, Tilda started this by referring to him as not who he says he was. Kierry said similiar and now Vandala. I think you lot of managed to manipulate this into as I previously mentioned another "Jove bashing session". I am new to this but seriously would consider not bothering with this site again in light if what I have just seen. From reading back, a small group of people in the post on the Olympia started this as well. I think this is an utter disgrace the way this originally great idea to post bands who you spent a year looking at and briefly review them has turned into a case of cloak and dagger. I think the biggest sufferers here are Jove and the name its creating for them. I suggest for the sake of all the topic be removed and let the cynics talk amongst themselves outside this post. All for ID’s on this now. Really low!
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11/24/2004 8:55 PM
No ID's - Can't weeall just get along? Who gives a fiddlers'?
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