| 7/18/2006 10:55 PM |
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Most Irish bands from what I can see don't want to tour. How are they going to build a fanbase if they won't hit the road ??
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| 7/19/2006 1:05 AM |
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Originally posted by MarkO
Most Irish bands from what I can see don't want to tour. How are they going to build a fanbase if they won't hit the road ??
...yeah why tour when you can just stay in Ireland and hope to be a Hotpress darling and Whelans A-celeb!!?
Regardless of my previous comments, Humanzi are doing it the positive way and going on UK tours and other spots as a support band. An Irish band with potential should have the ambition to do the same.
Was listening to a Whipping Boy interview on the radio a few years ago and they said one of their biggest mistakes was not going on the road after they released Heartworm - as a consequence there was little attention from the UK. Ireland is just too small a market. Sell 200 singles and you get a chart position...G-g-g-galway |
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petethedrummer New Member Posts:38  
| 7/19/2006 9:45 AM |
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Originally posted by MarkO
Most Irish bands from what I can see don't want to tour. How are they going to build a fanbase if they won't hit the road ??
do you realise how much it costs? of course all irish bands want to tour ...jesus christ. If you're a signed band i'm sure you are at the mercy of the money the record company gives you. which you have to pay back anyways.
If you're unsigned you have to make sure all the members of your band can get simultaneous time off, have the money saved. then you have the argument of what the saved money should be spent on? recording? more gear? your own personal enjoyment?
It's hard enough to get out of work early to get to a gig in dublin nevermind going on a bloody tour...and so what if someone is happy playing around Ireland? |
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markyedisonNew Member Posts:83
| 7/20/2006 1:46 AM |
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this is the second post from marko in a few days to make this point and he is right.
any band that is unwilling to make that effort, to put in the time and , yes, the money themselves and promote their arses off, will not and should not be successful.
all bands that break thru, regardless of whether they are good or not, have done so because of the tremendous workload and sacrifices that they have made.
most bands eventually die off because they can't or won't make those sacrifices/ choices. anyone in a band(or solo) who is not willing to put the band ahead of work/ family/ love etc. will never break.
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Flux Basic Member Posts:124
| 7/20/2006 2:47 AM |
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The Thrills? Never worked a day in their lives. Fairy liquid hands.
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markyedisonNew Member Posts:83
| 7/20/2006 4:53 AM |
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the thrills aren't real. they were grown in a petri dish from the remains of some mutant bacteria that choked to death on peter andre's s**te. 
The bacteria are believed to have been located in Jordan's mouth. 
but i suppose every rule must have an exception  |
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PunchbowlBasic Member Posts:205
| 7/21/2006 6:15 PM |
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Speaking of break ups, here's an old, much lamented Irish band (Sunbear) with a new Mypace presence
Maintained by Martin from Ruby Taillights, who was the main Sunbear man. The tracks they've uploaded are old demos, and unreleased gems which I urge you to download.
http://www.myspace.com/sunbeardublin
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aidan Advanced Member Posts:638
| 7/23/2006 4:16 PM |
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Originally posted by Thomas Walsh
PUGWASH (Me) will release "Jollity" on the 30th of October in England through Proper Distribution and then a European release will follow in early 2007 (France, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Holland)
Are you planning to play here and around Europe, Thomas?
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| 7/24/2006 2:03 AM |
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Originally posted by markyedison
most bands eventually die off because they can't or won't make those sacrifices/ choices. anyone in a band(or solo) who is not willing to put the band ahead of work/ family/ love etc. will never break.
true indeed,
you have to be willing to let it affect your career(job)/lovelife/social life. If a band are that good then they really should work their arses off for it. You can forgive a band for lacking the talent to push it up a gear but lacking commitment and effot when the talent is there leaves no excuse. |
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Thomas WalshNew Member Posts:48
| 7/24/2006 4:31 AM |
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Originally posted by aidan
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Originally posted by Thomas Walsh
PUGWASH (Me) will release "Jollity" on the 30th of October in England through Proper Distribution and then a European release will follow in early 2007 (France, Belgium, Germany, Italy, Holland)
Are you planning to play here and around Europe, Thomas?
Hi Aidan. We've actually played around 25 gigs since supporting Mundy around Ireland in November last year but as someone mentioned earlier it's VERY hard and expensive for a band like mine to support a tour every 6 months in Ireland.
We're definitely doing English gigs towards Christmas '06 so if you'd like to be kept in the loop Aidan you can keep an eye on things here http://www.myspace.com/pugwalsh
We're putting up a brand spanking new Pugwash site very soon, should be live in about 6-8 weeks.
Sorry for hijacking the thread a bit but thanks for asking (and caring) Aidan. 
Thomas. |
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| 7/24/2006 12:25 PM |
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Originally posted by markyedison
this is the second post from marko in a few days to make this point and he is right.
any band that is unwilling to make that effort, to put in the time and , yes, the money themselves and promote their arses off, will not and should not be successful.
all bands that break thru, regardless of whether they are good or not, have done so because of the tremendous workload and sacrifices that they have made.
most bands eventually die off because they can't or won't make those sacrifices/ choices. anyone in a band(or solo) who is not willing to put the band ahead of work/ family/ love etc. will never break.
Surprisingly when you are an independent band in Dublin noone actually gives you money - you have to work for it to pay for:
rehearsal rooms (for rehearsing in three nights a week or more)
for petrol or taxis to get to gigs (whether it be whelans/Galway/Cork)
for flights to London/New York/Glasgow (where Ryanair will charge you an extra €30 per instrument EACH way (and that does include the snare drum - although they couldn't clarify if they would charge for a tin whistle or what instrument would be deemed small enough not to cost extra.)
for leads/pedals/adaptors and other music gear
for accomodation in other cities/food/underground tickets
for hiring a backline in New York or London (cos not every band wants to share or uses two guitar amps
for recording/mixing/mastering/hiring studio time/engineer
for inlay cards/printing/making physical cds
for postage and packaging (to anyone who has shown any bit of interest)
Oh and did I mention you don't actually get paid for any of these gigs you play whether they be in Dublin/London or New York no matter how much it cost you to get there. Unless you play the Roisin Dubh where Gugai actually is in it for the music.
But at the end of the day you still get up go to work (to make money so you can keep doing it all) and go straight to rehearsal and come home after 11 and feel good about making music.Or you fly out to a gig and do it, grab 3 hours sleep back to the airport and go straight from plane to work because you need your job so that the next time you get offered a good gig there's no monetary reason you can't go.
".yeah why tour when you can just stay in Ireland and hope to be a Hotpress darling and Whelans A-celeb!!?" Mattso
Somehow I think you underestimate how much hard work goes into being a little known band in Dublin. Touring isn't as simple as getting confirmed in a number of venues (and that's not even simple).
Anyway enough ranting. I'm sick of people slagging off Irish bands for not being hard working. Do you actually know any band who does play gigs and isn't hard working?
And the Thrills don't count - they didn't need the money - and are we really claiming them as our own?
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DromedAdvanced Member Posts:900
| 7/24/2006 2:21 PM |
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*Ahh illyad giv us a hug* you make a few fine points there
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| 7/24/2006 8:46 PM |
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Thanks. I feel better now.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 7/25/2006 9:40 AM |
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Originally posted by illyad
quote:
Originally posted by markyedison
this is the second post from marko in a few days to make this point and he is right.
any band that is unwilling to make that effort, to put in the time and , yes, the money themselves and promote their arses off, will not and should not be successful.
all bands that break thru, regardless of whether they are good or not, have done so because of the tremendous workload and sacrifices that they have made.
most bands eventually die off because they can't or won't make those sacrifices/ choices. anyone in a band(or solo) who is not willing to put the band ahead of work/ family/ love etc. will never break.
Surprisingly when you are an independent band in Dublin noone actually gives you money - you have to work for it to pay for:
rehearsal rooms (for rehearsing in three nights a week or more)
for petrol or taxis to get to gigs (whether it be whelans/Galway/Cork)
for flights to London/New York/Glasgow (where Ryanair will charge you an extra €30 per instrument EACH way (and that does include the snare drum - although they couldn't clarify if they would charge for a tin whistle or what instrument would be deemed small enough not to cost extra.)
for leads/pedals/adaptors and other music gear
for accomodation in other cities/food/underground tickets
for hiring a backline in New York or London (cos not every band wants to share or uses two guitar amps
for recording/mixing/mastering/hiring studio time/engineer
for inlay cards/printing/making physical cds
for postage and packaging (to anyone who has shown any bit of interest)
Oh and did I mention you don't actually get paid for any of these gigs you play whether they be in Dublin/London or New York no matter how much it cost you to get there. Unless you play the Roisin Dubh where Gugai actually is in it for the music.
But at the end of the day you still get up go to work (to make money so you can keep doing it all) and go straight to rehearsal and come home after 11 and feel good about making music.Or you fly out to a gig and do it, grab 3 hours sleep back to the airport and go straight from plane to work because you need your job so that the next time you get offered a good gig there's no monetary reason you can't go.
".yeah why tour when you can just stay in Ireland and hope to be a Hotpress darling and Whelans A-celeb!!?" Mattso
Somehow I think you underestimate how much hard work goes into being a little known band in Dublin. Touring isn't as simple as getting confirmed in a number of venues (and that's not even simple).
Anyway enough ranting. I'm sick of people slagging off Irish bands for not being hard working. Do you actually know any band who does play gigs and isn't hard working?
And the Thrills don't count - they didn't need the money - and are we really claiming them as our own?
sorry but what are u on about? no-one is FORCING anyone to do all of the above. if u are in a band and u are serious about what u do and reaching a big audience, surely u WANT to put in all this work and much more besides? if u want an easy life, go work in a bank. if - and yes, i know its a big if - it pays off, the rewards are huge. its a gamble which is why thousands and thousands go for it. in 99 percent of the cases it doesnt work because the bands are not good enough or dont work hard enough or give out too much (see above). in one percent, it does work and thats what entices the other to chance their arm. |
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ishrinkBasic Member Posts:195
| 7/25/2006 10:14 AM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
sorry but what are u on about? no-one is FORCING anyone to do all of the above. if u are in a band and u are serious about what u do and reaching a big audience, surely u WANT to put in all this work and much more besides?
Not to be presumptuous, but I think the point was that, contrary to MarkO's assertion, most bands DO want to tour, but lengthy tours aren't feasible for most amateur bands without financial backing.
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| 7/25/2006 11:50 AM |
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Originally posted by ishrink
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Originally posted by Pilchard
sorry but what are u on about? no-one is FORCING anyone to do all of the above. if u are in a band and u are serious about what u do and reaching a big audience, surely u WANT to put in all this work and much more besides?
Not to be presumptuous, but I think the point was that, contrary to MarkO's assertion, most bands DO want to tour, but lengthy tours aren't feasible for most amateur bands without financial backing.
That's exactly what I was saying thanks.
And I love being in a band and don't see any of that stuff as work - it's a passion. Just wanted to point out that Marky and Marko or whoever were talking crap. |
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klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
| 7/25/2006 12:17 PM |
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Some good points illyad, but surely that reenforces the point that if you are going to put in all of this effort, your music had better be good enough in the first place... And again I ask, if the music is not original or commercial enough ( sometimes the music can be both ) ( assuming you are in it for the money ), then is there a point to going through the whole routine of touring, trying to release a CD, maybe getting signed and then getting dropped.
If you do it for the music, then thats a different think, maybe you enjoy all that crap, but if your in it to make a living then treat it like a business, and like all good business, you start with, ideally an service which is unique and therefore should attract interest, backed by a solid business plan.
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| 7/25/2006 12:24 PM |
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Most bands think their music is good, I presume. Or at least that the band has the potential to make good music.
I definately believe in my band.
(Actually I completely believe in both bands I'm in)
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klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
| 7/25/2006 12:29 PM |
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Originally posted by illyad
Most bands think their music is good, I presume. Or at least that the band has the potential to make good music.
I definately believe in my band.
(Actually I completely believe in both bands I'm in)
I believe you do.. And I suppose its a hard one to call.. at what point does a band realise that their music is attracting the attention which could lead to success... Catch 22.. mabye |
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| 7/25/2006 12:45 PM |
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Yes, your right.
If I stop enjoying the music I'll stop being in the band. But then it's not all about the money for me. If the band is based on a business plan I suppose they might have a make it or break it time frame written into it.
In addition, there's a lot of luck in attracting attention I think. But we all know that.
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