| 12/14/2007 2:35 PM |
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Did anyone see Rufus Wainwright on tour this year? Any fans here?
He has become my fave new artist, is great live and each album is better than the last!
What can I say!
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PeterQuaife Basic Member Posts:436  
| 1/29/2008 10:22 AM |
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...that he sounds like KD Lang
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QuintBasic Member Posts:209
| 1/31/2008 7:14 AM |
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Welcome Mudbug but Rufus is the most overrated singer-songwriter on the planet. His music is unremarkable and he has an awful, droning siinging voice.
Would he be where he is without his famous parents? If he was straight?
Take away these two factors and he is very, very ordinary.
His sister Martha is far better. Maybe if she was a lesbian she would get more attention.
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Careful_Now New Member Posts:8
| 2/27/2008 6:31 AM |
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Posted By Quint on 31 Jan 2008 7:14 AM
Welcome Mudbug but Rufus is the most overrated singer-songwriter on the planet. His music is unremarkable and he has an awful, droning siinging voice.
Would he be where he is without his famous parents? If he was straight?
Take away these two factors and he is very, very ordinary.
His sister Martha is far better. Maybe if she was a lesbian she would get more attention. Possibly the most ignorant music-related statement I've ever had the misfortune to read in my life. To attribute the success of one of the greatest songwriters in modern music to his 'famous parents' and homosexuality is actually flabbergasting and beyond belief. You are extremely ignorant. If you don't appreciate his music, fine - but your reasoning is incredibly lazy, misinformed and generally half-witted. I suggest you listen to his self-titled first album, an album that perfect captures the ache and confusion of unrequited love (amongst other themes) and come back to me with a decent argument about why you don't like Rufus Wainwright. You may even be taken seriously. Cretin. |
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 2/29/2008 7:24 AM |
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that it may be, but I would side with the 'parents' argument, a nice little helping hand wouldnt you say?
PQ
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Careful_NowNew Member Posts:8
| 2/29/2008 7:40 AM |
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Hi Peter,
Considering that both of his parents weren't exactly mainstream, well-known artists outside the folk world (in itself, a far-from-popular genre), that argument doesn't really hold up..
Also, by his second album Rufus Wainwright had far overshadowed the success of his parents' careers, so it's kind of clutching at straws to suggest that he owes anything to his parents.
In fact, [random Rufus fact forthcoming], he had a big bust-up with his father when they were both doing a big magazine shoot (for GQ or Vanity Fair, or something) years ago, and Rufus cheekily suggested that Loudon wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him.
Impertinent? Yes. True? Most certainly.
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 2/29/2008 8:06 AM |
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I'm glad for you that you like Rufus, its hard to beat loving a musicians/bands music...but for me, whether he had or had not a foot up is neither here nor there...the fact is , he is here and my ears are punished with his kd langesque voice on the airwaves from time to time...does nothing for me I'm afraid, and I am easily pleased
any truth in the rumour that its a standard €20/£15 into his shows, but free if you enter via the backdoor?
PQ
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Careful_NowNew Member Posts:8
| 2/29/2008 8:16 AM |
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Oh wow, how hilarious. Oh no, wait, you're not hilarious at all - in fact, you're an unfunny, homophobic prick who's just lost any respect that I, and I'll bet anyone else who reads this that's not a 15 year old boy.
Grow up.
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 2/29/2008 8:40 AM |
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cool blood hot momma....its only a bit of fun
PQ
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Careful_NowNew Member Posts:8
| 2/29/2008 5:26 PM |
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Patronising as well.. you really are quite the catch
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WickerBasic Member Posts:185
| 3/1/2008 1:13 PM |
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personally I cannot stand listening to him at all....
His sister is 100 times better
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QuintBasic Member Posts:209
| 3/2/2008 4:31 AM |
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Wicker! What are you doing??? You are asking for a vitriolic and personalised attack from 'Careful Now' if you express any sort of criticism of Rufus Wainright! See his/her hilariously over-the-top reaction to myself and Peter above. He/She is coming for you next. Run for your life!!!!!!
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 3/2/2008 6:27 AM |
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"down with that sort of thing...."
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Careful_NowNew Member Posts:8
| 3/2/2008 10:34 AM |
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Hi Quint,
I see the concept of trying to create an intelligent debate about music without resorting to pettiness, homophobia or misogyny is too hard for you to grasp, too.. It's OK though, having to back up your inflammatory comments is too much like hard work for some people. Are the words I'm using too big for you, maybe?
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 3/3/2008 6:01 AM |
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I decree Careful_Now a deliberately created account (yes, insider job)to arouse a bit of debate among the cluasites...I mean this:
"Possibly the most ignorant music-related statement I've ever had the misfortune to read in my life.
To attribute the success of one of the greatest songwriters in modern music to his 'famous parents' and homosexuality is actually flabbergasting and beyond belief. You are extremely ignorant. If you don't appreciate his music, fine - but your reasoning is incredibly lazy, misinformed and generally half-witted.
I suggest you listen to his self-titled first album, an album that perfect captures the ache and confusion of unrequited love (amongst other themes) and come back to me with a decent argument about why you don't like Rufus Wainwright. You may even be taken seriously.
Cretin"
as a first post out of the blue...not even a bye you or leave you
PQ
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Binokular Veteran Member Posts:1665
| 3/3/2008 6:07 AM |
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Careful_now, Personally attacking members with your first couple of posts isn't big or clever either.
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
| 3/4/2008 3:53 AM |
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in my opinion, i see nothing wrong with anything careful_now has posted in this thread, whether he has just registered or not.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 3/4/2008 4:56 AM |
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Posted By Ally on 04 Mar 2008 3:53 AM
in my opinion, i see nothing wrong with anything careful_now has posted in this thread, whether he has just registered or not.
He doesn't need to be so argumentative, he could have made the same points without calling people cretins or accusing them of being rampantly homophobic. A bit on the over-serious side I think. |
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Careful_NowNew Member Posts:8
| 3/4/2008 5:06 AM |
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Hi Binokular, A personal attack, it was not intended to be (I retract the 'cretin' statement, even though it was called for, in my opinion). My posts were no more inflammatory than Quint's original statements: Would he be where he is without his famous parents? If he was straight?
His sister Martha is far better. Maybe if she was a lesbian she would get more attention. If I was gay (which I'm not), these comments would incense me even more than they already have done.. to call Quint ignorant is not a personal attack, but a fact. It's ignorant to dismiss someone because of their homosexuality OR heterosexuality, and this was bandied about in quite a juvenile, immature way by more than one person on this thread. I was hoping for an intelligent debate about Rufus Wainwright, what I got was an offensive gay joke, a thumb of the nose and 'I don't like him, right? So just f**k off. I'm not going to tell you why' attitude. |
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AllyBasic Member Posts:347
| 3/4/2008 5:23 AM |
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Posted By Careful_Now on 04 Mar 2008 5:06 AM Hi Binokular, A personal attack, it was not intended to be (I retract the 'cretin' statement, even though it was called for, in my opinion). My posts were no more inflammatory than Quint's original statements: Would he be where he is without his famous parents? If he was straight?
His sister Martha is far better. Maybe if she was a lesbian she would get more attention. If I was gay (which I'm not), these comments would incense me even more than they already have done.. to call Quint ignorant is not a personal attack, but a fact. It's ignorant to dismiss someone because of their homosexuality OR heterosexuality, and this was bandied about in quite a juvenile, immature way by more than one person on this thread. I was hoping for an intelligent debate about Rufus Wainwright, what I got was an offensive gay joke, a thumb of the nose and 'I don't like him, right? So just f**k off. I'm not going to tell you why' attitude. i have to agree with this... ...now, it is not the way i would have reacted... i can rarely take anything very seriously... but i think careful_now is well within his rights to have said everything he has said... |
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 3/4/2008 6:43 AM |
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Posted By Careful_Now on 04 Mar 2008 5:06 AM
If I was gay (which I'm not), these comments would incense me even more than they already have done.. to call Quint ignorant is not a personal attack, but a fact. It's ignorant to dismiss someone because of their homosexuality OR heterosexuality, and this was bandied about in quite a juvenile, immature way by more than one person on this thread.
Oh please, write to Amnesty international or something. What happened was - Mudbug said they liked Rufus Wainwrights music - Quint said they didn't (because they just don't like it), but also questioned if he'd have gotten as much attention if he was straight. Maybe that comment was appropriate, maybe not, either way, it's borderline. Flip it round, is say asking if Bruce Springsteen would have the same broad fanbase if he was gay much different? Maybe it's an awkward question, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hold some validity. - You jump in getting on the uber-PC lefty weeny getting-offended-on-other-peoples-behalf moral high ground going off about rampant rampant homophobia, ignorance, cretins, blah, blah, blah. - PeterQuaife throws in silly peurile joke, you take the bait and run with it. Heres the thing, you want real debate? Well then you may have to tolerate someone saying something you might find offensive or disagree with. There are limits to what people can post, like anything openly hateful, but to dictate certain things as outright taboo and attempt to just shut people down when they express opinions, even if those opinions are wrong is a form of intolerance itself. |
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Careful_NowNew Member Posts:8
| 3/4/2008 7:00 AM |
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Talk about taking the moral high ground.. Binokular, aren't you the one who's come into this thread with no opinion about Rufus Wainwright, but an opinion about how people should and shouldn't argue?
I'm sure Quint/Peter Quaife are well able to hold their own.. you don't need to clarify what they meant. That's their right, not yours.
However, if you want nitpicking, you've got it.
I'll leave the Amnesty International letter for the time being, but thanks for the suggestion. God forbid that I should challenge someone who's made a controversial statement..
I would have accepted Quint's opinon on RW, if he/she had backed up their opinion with intelligence, or at least sounded in some way informed. Dismissing someone's music - whether you're a fan, or cannot stand the artist - on the basis of their sexuality is *incredibly* ignorant, there is no black and white there, as far as I'm concerned. Methinks Quint realised this when he/she was pulled up about it, and now feels like they need to stand firm on the issue, however wobbly it may be. Sad.
(By the way, long-time reader, first-time poster - so your argument doesn't hold up PQ, as convenient as it may have been).
'Uber-lefty weeny getting-offended-on-other-peoples-behalf' - you've let yourself down with that statement Binokular. I was prepared to take you seriously up until now.
Isn't there ANYONE on this forum who's prepared to discuss things in an intelligent, adult manner without feeling like they're being backed into a corner by some 'uber-lefty weeny' on a moral and musical crusade?
Ally, seems like you're the only one with a modicum of sense around here.
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 3/4/2008 7:21 AM |
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Posted By Careful_Now on 04 Mar 2008 7:00 AM
Talk about taking the moral high ground.. Binokular, aren't you the one who's come into this thread with no opinion about Rufus Wainwright, but an opinion about how people should and shouldn't argue?
I'm sure Quint/Peter Quaife are well able to hold their own.. you don't need to clarify what they meant. That's their right, not yours.
However, if you want nitpicking, you've got it.
I'll leave the Amnesty International letter for the time being, but thanks for the suggestion. God forbid that I should challenge someone who's made a controversial statement..
I would have accepted Quint's opinon on RW, if he/she had backed up their opinion with intelligence, or at least sounded in some way informed. Dismissing someone's music - whether you're a fan, or cannot stand the artist - on the basis of their sexuality is *incredibly* ignorant, there is no black and white there, as far as I'm concerned. Methinks Quint realised this when he/she was pulled up about it, and now feels like they need to stand firm on the issue, however wobbly it may be. Sad.
(By the way, long-time reader, first-time poster - so your argument doesn't hold up PQ, as convenient as it may have been).
'Uber-lefty weeny getting-offended-on-other-peoples-behalf' - you've let yourself down with that statement Binokular. I was prepared to take you seriously up until now.
Isn't there ANYONE on this forum who's prepared to discuss things in an intelligent, adult manner without feeling like they're being backed into a corner by some 'uber-lefty weeny' on a moral and musical crusade?
Ally, seems like you're the only one with a modicum of sense around here.
maybe you would get a good debate going if the debate was on ceramic hair straighteners, the life and times of Pauline Fowler, or anything else more interesting that the self titled gayest man on earth..who is so f**king boring it annoys me (my opinion) yours, the homophobic pr!ck (i told my ma on you) |
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 3/4/2008 7:24 AM |
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Careful_now, you've commited the worst crime on this board, boring me, get back to discussing Rufus Waingwright and stop whining or I'm locking the thread.
PQ, you can stop now too, OK?
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Careful_NowNew Member Posts:8
| 3/4/2008 7:27 AM |
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Posted By Binokular on 04 Mar 2008 7:24 AM
Careful_now, you've commited the worst crime on this board, boring me, get back to discussing Rufus Waingwright and stop whining or I'm locking the thread. Jesus, and you wonder why nobody comes to Cluas anymore.. Lock away, dear, lock away. No answer for it? Don't have a comeback? Never mind - I'll head off elsewhere to find a group of people who actually have a clue what they're talking about, and who have opinions strong enough to debate.. Bye, kiddies.. |
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PeterQuaifeBasic Member Posts:436
| 3/4/2008 7:27 AM |
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but but...roger that
PQ
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QuintBasic Member Posts:209
| 3/4/2008 10:57 AM |
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Posted By Careful_Now on 02 Mar 2008 10:34 AM
Hi Quint,
I see the concept of trying to create an intelligent debate about music without resorting to pettiness, homophobia or misogyny is too hard for you to grasp, too.. It's OK though, having to back up your inflammatory comments is too much like hard work for some people. Are the words I'm using too big for you, maybe?
Can you please tell me where I was being 'homophobic', 'misogynistic' and 'inflammatory'? |
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PARTONBasic Member Posts:188
| 3/5/2008 4:40 AM |
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Careful the door doesnt hit your ass on the way out.....
"a modicum of sense around here"
Impressive vocab though....
I like Rufus.
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