bonzo Basic Member Posts:364  
| 8/1/2006 3:58 PM |
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Was listening to the Ian Dempsey breakfast show this morning and he played the new Rags single. It is top drawer which is really surprising because before this they were a band that I never rated.
Trying to find the single online but it is seriously good. anyone else heard it?
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Una Veteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/1/2006 4:00 PM |
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haven't heard it, but there are few other decent tracks on their myspace
http://www.myspace.com/therags
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/1/2006 4:04 PM |
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Cool - thanks for that. The video is on there for it, half way down the page. Song is two minutes long. Absolutely class - in my opinion of course.
Might go see them in Whelan's.
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 8/1/2006 4:10 PM |
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Cool video aswell......should get some airplay on Channel 6 pretty soon. Glad to see the band coming back with decent new tunes, after the previous split rumours.
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/1/2006 4:12 PM |
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Cool video aswell......should get some airplay on Channel 6 pretty soon. Glad to see the band coming back with decent new tunes, after the previous split rumours.
Gar is Rag spelt backwards! |
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FluxBasic Member Posts:124
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/1/2006 4:49 PM |
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yep, thats the one.
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Antistar Advanced Member Posts:544
| 8/1/2006 7:12 PM |
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Awful,turgid, retrograde sub-Coral/Oasis rubbish. The lead singer has copied wholesale his slightly arrogant swagger and vocal style from Liam Gallagher. No-one does this anymore. Well maybe apart from that chap that fronts Kasabian.
The video is even worse: looks like a final year project from some spotty student on one of those 'Video and Media Production' courses. And a bad one at that. The only enjoyment to be gained from this video is to have a game of spot-the-cliche: the white boards with snippets of the lyrics a la the iconic Bob Dylan video for "Subterranean Homesick Blues" ; passing landscape/houses filmed from a vehicle of some sort (very easily done, always effective when you have run out of ideas, or had none in the first place);Rooftop setting for band performance; grainy Hi8 film-stock.
Boring.
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FluxBasic Member Posts:124
| 8/1/2006 7:46 PM |
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Not exactly my cup of tea either, but no need to lose the Rag.
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 8/1/2006 8:01 PM |
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Originally posted by Flux
Not exactly my cup of tea either, but no need to lose the Rag.
I know but such a spectacular lack of any kind of originality irks me deeply. It's a bit like...raising...a...red.... Rag...to...a....bull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/1/2006 9:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Antistar
Awful,turgid, retrograde sub-Coral/Oasis rubbish. The lead singer has copied wholesale his slightly arrogant swagger and vocal style from Liam Gallagher. No-one does this anymore. Well maybe apart from that chap that fronts Kasabian.
The video is even worse: looks like a final year project from some spotty student on one of those 'Video and Media Production' courses. And a bad one at that. The only enjoyment to be gained from this video is to have a game of spot-the-cliche: the white boards with snippets of the lyrics a la the iconic Bob Dylan video for "Subterranean Homesick Blues" ; passing landscape/houses filmed from a vehicle of some sort (very easily done, always effective when you have run out of ideas, or had none in the first place);Rooftop setting for band performance; grainy Hi8 film-stock.
Boring.
Tell us what you really think then!
I like it. All a matter of choice really Antistar. |
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Jairzinho New Member Posts:81
| 8/1/2006 9:59 PM |
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Good video.Average song.Terrible swagger....
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| 8/1/2006 10:06 PM |
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iv seen them 3 times live and everytime i had to leave early cus the lead singer has anoyed me so much ,terrible live ,he wants to be a mix between moser and johnny rotten but ends up just being stupid looking ..also everytime he introduces one of there songs youd swear its was the secound coming of christ ,razors and ropes is average and so is the i just wanted to kill the queen which gets a great roar from the crowd when he anonces the title but then they play it and ts well .... nothing .monsters and i has a great a hook and when i heard the ep they sounded better but very like morrisey ..not a bad thing but ......
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/2/2006 12:30 AM |
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Such a difference of opinion.
Might have to go and see them! For nothing else to see the singer!
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kavobagginsBasic Member Posts:199
| 8/2/2006 11:22 AM |
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The Eyebrowy lads did a great video for one of the songs last year. Dont think its on the site anymore though.
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milkmanBasic Member Posts:119
| 8/2/2006 11:40 AM |
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Originally posted by Antistar
Awful,turgid, retrograde sub-Coral/Oasis rubbish. The lead singer has copied wholesale his slightly arrogant swagger and vocal style from Liam Gallagher. No-one does this anymore. Well maybe apart from that chap that fronts Kasabian.
The video is even worse: looks like a final year project from some spotty student on one of those 'Video and Media Production' courses. And a bad one at that. The only enjoyment to be gained from this video is to have a game of spot-the-cliche: the white boards with snippets of the lyrics a la the iconic Bob Dylan video for "Subterranean Homesick Blues" ; passing landscape/houses filmed from a vehicle of some sort (very easily done, always effective when you have run out of ideas, or had none in the first place);Rooftop setting for band performance; grainy Hi8 film-stock.
Boring.
jesus antistar, do you like ANY irish bands? this is your umpteenth rant about them. |
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 8/2/2006 11:40 AM |
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i had the me and the moon ep...
...it was ok...
this song is ok, too...
it's the kind of song you're more than happy to listen to if it comes on a daytime radio show whilst your driving your car...
i won't be buying it and i won't be listening to it at home where i get to choose what i listen to
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/2/2006 12:26 PM |
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If anything at least they are provoking debate. Heard the song again this morning and you're right - its a great song to hear on the radio.
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 8/2/2006 1:06 PM |
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Originally posted by milkman
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Originally posted by Antistar
Awful,turgid, retrograde sub-Coral/Oasis rubbish. The lead singer has copied wholesale his slightly arrogant swagger and vocal style from Liam Gallagher. No-one does this anymore. Well maybe apart from that chap that fronts Kasabian.
The video is even worse: looks like a final year project from some spotty student on one of those 'Video and Media Production' courses. And a bad one at that. The only enjoyment to be gained from this video is to have a game of spot-the-cliche: the white boards with snippets of the lyrics a la the iconic Bob Dylan video for "Subterranean Homesick Blues" ; passing landscape/houses filmed from a vehicle of some sort (very easily done, always effective when you have run out of ideas, or had none in the first place);Rooftop setting for band performance; grainy Hi8 film-stock.
Boring.
jesus antistar, do you like ANY irish bands? this is your umpteenth rant about them.
To be honest I find most Irish bands quite dull, highly derivative and sorely lacking in imagination.
But there are a few I like: Director, NeoSupervital, Galway's The Ghostwood Project are the best thing I've seen in ages...Republic Of Loose but I think they should ease off sucking Vodafone's corporate cock, (keeps them off the dole, I suppose). Love Ten Speed Racer but now sadly defunct as are Tycho Brahe (I think), another great Irish band. I think in this country we are too quick to 'big-up' bands that are very mediocre. I'm just being truthful by saying about 80 percent of Irish acts are pretty hopeless.Like The Rags.
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 8/2/2006 1:24 PM |
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Originally posted by Antistar
Awful,turgid, retrograde sub-Coral/Oasis rubbish. The lead singer has copied wholesale his slightly arrogant swagger and vocal style from Liam Gallagher. No-one does this anymore. Well maybe apart from that chap that fronts Kasabian.
The video is even worse: looks like a final year project from some spotty student on one of those 'Video and Media Production' courses. And a bad one at that. The only enjoyment to be gained from this video is to have a game of spot-the-cliche: the white boards with snippets of the lyrics a la the iconic Bob Dylan video for "Subterranean Homesick Blues" ; passing landscape/houses filmed from a vehicle of some sort (very easily done, always effective when you have run out of ideas, or had none in the first place);Rooftop setting for band performance; grainy Hi8 film-stock.
Boring.
Oh dear, it's hard to disagree with this. Turgid is the word. |
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ctrlaltdeleteBasic Member Posts:268
| 8/2/2006 2:00 PM |
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now sadly defunct as are Tycho Brahe (I think), another great Irish band.
The Tycho Brahe changed their name to Tychonaut a while back. They're still about i believe, but Carol is busy singing with Autamata. |
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 8/2/2006 2:38 PM |
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I saw a post on Thumped yesterday referring to Carol (ex-Tychos).
As for the Rags, Monsters and I wasn't bad but it's not something I'd buy. For some reason I got a perverse kick out of hearing it being used to shill Campbell's Soup, stuck out like a sore thumb.
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carrick16New Member Posts:1
| 8/2/2006 4:59 PM |
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Razors and Ropes, YOU people ARE jokes...
Antistar, your avin a laf. Its a quality single, quality choon. Its been picked single of the fortnight in Hot Press (Their 3rd release in a row to be given this honour.) To get song of the week on Ian Dempseys show (again) is only an indication of whats to come from the lads. They've had to deal with a band member leaving and have come back with a bang if ya ask me. So the lead singers got a bitta swagger about him....So wha? What do ya want? More shoe gazing s**te? Nah, bitta confidence, put on a bit of a show. He knows he's good and people are realisin that. There the only unsigned band to play at Leccy Piccy...
And give the video a break will ya. The lad shot it in and edited in about a day. Credit where credit due if ya ask me. What do ya want?...Smooth Dolly shots, chris cunningham edits? You stick on some Director there...chill out a bit.
Good Luck to yis Rags...Bring on EP!
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| 8/2/2006 5:06 PM |
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Are there not a few bands playing Electric Picnic under the Radiator banner???
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sailtothemoonNew Member Posts:5
| 8/2/2006 5:20 PM |
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Originally posted by Antistar
To be honest I find most Irish bands quite dull, highly derivative and sorely lacking in imagination.
But there are a few I like: Director, NeoSupervital, Galway's The Ghostwood Project are the best thing I've seen in ages...Republic Of Loose but I think they should ease off sucking Vodafone's corporate cock, (keeps them off the dole, I suppose). Love Ten Speed Racer but now sadly defunct as are Tycho Brahe (I think), another great Irish band. I think in this country we are too quick to 'big-up' bands that are very mediocre. I'm just being truthful by saying about 80 percent of Irish acts are pretty hopeless.Like The Rags.
ok i'll be honest, i've lurked this forum for a good while now, interested to read what people think of our "irish music scene", but never really been arsed registering, because i knew i'd end up disagreeing with absolute idiots like this one...<see above>
fair enough he's entitled to his opinion, but when he slates irish bands across the board as being "dull, highly derivative and sorely lacking imagination" and THEN cites DIRECTOR as a band he sees fit to namecheck as an exception, i nearly fell off my chair in a fit of laughter, until i realised how angry it made me. why make a statement like that, then completely contradict yourself by praising the embodiment of what it is that "irks" you so?
director are a prime example of everything he despises, they epitomise being dull and derivative in one foul swoop, with sub-par franz and strokes rip-offs (which wouldnt be so bad if it wasn't obvious that the songs have been written in such a contrived "i know the science behind a hit pop song" way, with absolute no passion or art to be found at all) and the most gutless live sets i've ever had the misfortune to see.
he goes on about frontmen too, and whatever he thinks about the rags guy, the singer from director is the worst frontman i have EVER seen. he has absolutely zero stage presence and less charisma than my old maths teacher, not to mention his ridiculously boring vocal style which never leaves the same safe, stupidly interpol-esque monotonous range that those other twats in that band Editors are so fond of. he looks like a f**king estate agent too,which doesn't really bother me, but i'm sorry to say that the market these boys are being so painstakingly groomed for, is very much about image. that band are the most cynical, contrived and gutless offering to try and get in the pages of NME this country has seen in years.
if he thinks 80% of all irish indie is s**t, and can't even come up with any worthy mates (sorry, did i say mates, i meant bands) to offer as the other 20% then surely an irish indie music discussion board isn't the place for him?
stick to pitchfork and whatever else is pretentious enough for you mate. |
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/2/2006 5:57 PM |
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who would have thought a simple post on the Rags being on Ian Dempsey could produce all this...
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FluxBasic Member Posts:124
| 8/2/2006 6:01 PM |
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sailtothemoon is spot on about Director. They're at least 2 years too late to make it. I suppose that's the problem with trend-oriented outfits. By the time they've digested what's "in", written the songs, got signed, spent the advance, spent months in the studio...two years have gone by.
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klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
| 8/2/2006 6:08 PM |
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I have to agree about director.. seen em a couple of times now, but i just thought that as Flux was saying, if they had arrived two years ago they could have jumped in with the other bands doing the same thing..ie getting a bowl, and adding a touch of morrisey,a sprinkle of joy division and just a pinch of Mix 80s spice and coming up with a few tunes. Two years ago they could have joined the bandwaggon, now it just looks like they are copying the others... Had to walk away from them at oxegen they began to annoy me so much.
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sailtothemoonNew Member Posts:5
| 8/2/2006 6:17 PM |
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i think the same can be said about the marshals too.
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sailtothemoonNew Member Posts:5
| 8/2/2006 6:26 PM |
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i just checked out the rags single and i think its actually really good, i like the lyrics especially, and the vocal performance is great. as a 3 minute indie pop single, it's a lot better than a lot of the rubbish NME is force-feeding us on their chart. and as for the video, which antistar so gleefully picked apart, i think its a decent effort. remember not everyone has a Major behind them pumping money into their press, promo and videos (*cough* Director) and despite being low-budget,it serves as a good companion to a good single.
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 8/2/2006 6:40 PM |
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as a 3 minute indie pop single, it's a lot better than a lot of the rubbish NME is force-feeding us on their chart.
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 8/2/2006 7:04 PM |
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I disagree about all of the comments regarding Director. A band doesn't always have to sound like another established act and alot of the time they don't try to sound like other bands. The way alot of the posts have gone so far would suggest that Director are a manufactured band copying the likes of Editors and Interpol - this is just a lazy observation. So what if they got a big record deal. So what if Vodafone use one of their songs in an ad. So what if the NME like them. So what if Ian Dempsey and whoever else plays them on mainstream radio. Sometimes it's okay to like a band for their music. They have a number of cracking tunes, tend to put on a good live performance and are showing promise of developing into an act that could really make waves outside of this country. Fair play to them and looking forward to hearing the album.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 8/2/2006 7:20 PM |
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There the only unsigned band to play at Leccy Piccy...
Delorentos to name just one are playing. I'd hardly crow about an endorsement from Hot Press as well. |
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FluxBasic Member Posts:124
| 8/2/2006 7:21 PM |
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Even their name is a f**kin' sad ripoff.
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cometBasic Member Posts:485
| 8/2/2006 7:31 PM |
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Originally posted by carrick16
There the only unsigned band to play at Leccy Piccy...
Delorentos to name just one are playing. I'd hardly crow about an endorsement from Hot Press as well.
Are Delorentos unsigned, I didn't realise that. My first time seeing them was Oxegen and I was impressed by them. |
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sailtothemoonNew Member Posts:5
| 8/2/2006 7:45 PM |
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Originally posted by Gar
So what if they got a big record deal. So what if Vodafone use one of their songs in an ad. So what if the NME like them. So what if Ian Dempsey and whoever else plays them on mainstream radio. Sometimes it's okay to like a band for their music.
i never begrudged the fact that they have a big record deal (congratulations) or their involvement in advertising campaigns (easy money, well done) or the fact that Ian Dempsey plays them (it's obviously serving acts like The Rags well) or even the fact that NME "likes them" (news to me!)...whereas i don't think it's lazy to say they sound like they are ripping current "trendy" bands off, i think it's blatant and a relevant point. all this makes for a band i really dislike , but you know fair play, good crack of the whip and all that, it'll stand well for them when no-one remembers them in two years etc etc etc... |
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/3/2006 1:08 AM |
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Some people like the Rags and some don't.
Some people like Director and some don't.
Lets move on.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 8/3/2006 2:46 AM |
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Of course 80% of Irish bands bands are s**t, 80% of all bands are s**t regardless of nationality. Go into HMV and see how many crap records are on the shelves. The bad far outnumber the good.
The Rags new single is grand (It's nothing spectacular but it's not atrocious either) but if they weren't Irish we wouldn't be talking about them. I wish them the best of luck but they'll have to improve drastically if they're going to make any impact outside of their local scene.
I am only judging Director on the strength of one single but it's one of the best Irish singles that I've heard in quite some time. I know that they sound somewhat similar to Interpol and Editors but it could be worse, they could sound like Hard Fi or My Chemical Romance or some other heap of sh*t.
And as for Cluas being an "Irish indie music discussion board", I was under the impression that Cluas was a message board for Irish people who like Music of all persuasions and not just the homegrown variety.
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Man in a canBasic Member Posts:106
| 8/3/2006 9:16 AM |
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Morning,
I just heard The Rags playing there new single live on the Ian Dempsey show and i thought it was really good. I have never heard the band before and i have to say i like it. Maybe its the song that started this thread, "razors and ropes" was the name. The guy Dan from the band explained before the song that its about the amount of suicide in Ireland. Maybe its still way too early in the morning but the song has changed my mood for the day and any song that does that is worth its salt. Fair play Ragboys.
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 8/3/2006 11:37 AM |
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Some people like the Rags and some don't.
Some people like Director and some don't.
Lets move on.
is that the limit to all discussions of music? |
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/3/2006 12:40 PM |
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Originally posted by bonzo
Some people like the Rags and some don't.
Some people like Director and some don't.
Lets move on.
is that the limit to all discussions of music?
No Dera, just this thread. |
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| 8/3/2006 2:12 PM |
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where's antistar gone?
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milkmanBasic Member Posts:119
| 8/4/2006 1:42 AM |
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lots of irish bands are good.
shall we be positive?
not many irish bands would'd be my cuppa tea, but fair play to them. work away and go for it.
i would dearly LOVE if an irish band released a record i loved, i will be patient with that hope.
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sailtothemoonNew Member Posts:5
| 8/4/2006 1:53 PM |
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Morning,
I just heard The Rags playing there new single live on the Ian Dempsey show and i thought it was really good. I have never heard the band before and i have to say i like it. Maybe its the song that started this thread, "razors and ropes" was the name. The guy Dan from the band explained before the song that its about the amount of suicide in Ireland. Maybe its still way too early in the morning but the song has changed my mood for the day and any song that does that is worth its salt. Fair play Ragboys.
spot on my man, anything that provokes thought on breakfast radio gets my vote. all this lark is enough to warrant me checkin out The Rags tonite, theyre launching the infamous single tonite in Whelans. see you down the front yeh?  |
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 8/4/2006 2:20 PM |
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Are there not a few bands playing Electric Picnic under the Radiator banner???
Yep there are so theres not only one unsigned band played leccy piccy - Radiator is putting on The Urges, The Revellions, Fair Verona and Sick Boy if my mind serves me correctly - the last one there being the one to definitely check out if you only see one of them. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/4/2006 3:09 PM |
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yeah Sick Boy are awesome. I like Fair Verona too though. Nice shoes.
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 8/4/2006 4:07 PM |
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All music starts with the shoes.
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 8/4/2006 5:15 PM |
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where's antistar gone?
I've nothing more to add.
Anyhow, they're talking about Fair Verona's shoes now so I think this thread should be knocked on the head. |
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 8/7/2006 12:45 PM |
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Originally posted by bud
Are there not a few bands playing Electric Picnic under the Radiator banner???
Yep there are so theres not only one unsigned band played leccy piccy - Radiator is putting on The Urges, The Revellions, Fair Verona and Sick Boy if my mind serves me correctly - the last one there being the one to definitely check out if you only see one of them.
I saw Sick Boy play on Saturday night and I thought they were fantastic. 1 part stooges + 1 part cramps + 1 part looking like they actually f**king mean it and aren't in it for the skinny jeans = Superradness.
A couple of guys called the Straglers were playing before them and they were very good too. |
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