Gar Veteran Member Posts:1676  
| 4/27/2006 10:48 AM |
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Ever have the urge to pick something up just because of the hype surrounding it and then not buy into what is meant to be so amazing about it? For example, buying 'Funeral' by Arcade Fire because most music critics hailed it as a great release but when you got it you just didn't hear what they heard.
Any recent cases of this?
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| 4/27/2006 10:54 AM |
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I thought the Clap Your Hands Say Yeah album was alright but not half as good as it was hyped up to be...
Also have head the Raconteurs new album and think is awful!! Brendan Benson and Jack White doing their own thing = brilliant, but together they just don't gel (imo).
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Pilchard Advanced Member Posts:699
| 4/27/2006 11:00 AM |
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always thought the same thing about Morrissey - just dont see what the fuss is about.
agree about Clap Your Hands Say What's The Fuss About - becomes pretty average after 2 or 3 listens
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs is another current one - its just indie avril lavinge, isnt it?
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Damien Basic Member Posts:316
| 4/27/2006 11:12 AM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
always thought the same thing about Morrissey - just dont see what the fuss is about.
agree about Clap Your Hands Say What's The Fuss About - becomes pretty average after 2 or 3 listens
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs is another current one - its just indie avril lavinge, isnt it?
I agree about the Morrissey thing. I love the smiths, but had to turn 'you are the quarry' after 3 or 4 songs because it was boring and some of the lyrics were pure piss. Don't think I'll bother with the latest one now. |
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cometBasic Member Posts:485
| 4/27/2006 11:15 AM |
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Happened to me with Bloc Party but eventually after listening to the album a lot and seeing them live i ended up connecting to what it was all about. I've came to the opinion that in a lot of cases (but not all) that when a lot of music heads think something is really good and you don't then its worth hanging in there and keep listening to it.
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Originally posted by Pilchard
The Yeah Yeah Yeahs is another current one - its just indie avril lavinge, isnt it?
YYYs new album was something that hit a chord with me straight away, have to say after a couple of listens i'm a little dissappointed with the new Flaming Lips one though. |
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adminBasic Member Posts:399
| 4/27/2006 11:22 AM |
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Have to say I'm not 100% convinced of the accolades some corners have been dropping on Architecture in Helsinki. This jury here is still out on 'In case we die' (is it just me or do they try a tad too hard to be clever'n'quirky?)
Anyway will see them live for the first time next week (at their gig in Brussels) and see if their live show redeems what I can only call an okay album.
eoghan
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
| 4/27/2006 11:43 AM |
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The Artic Monkeys, just does'nt do it for me..Franz Ferdinand are another hyped up band IMO.
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
| 4/27/2006 11:53 AM |
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Yeah, agree with the Architecture in Helsinki one. However, I love Clap Your Hands Say Yeah. I think it's possible to admire something musically, see why there was fuss but just not relate to it. I'm sure there's excellent Doom Metal out there but i'll never hear it!
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| 4/27/2006 11:57 AM |
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i agree with everyone....i thinks its a case of the music industry these days with more indi/diy bands coming to the for-front...the critic's are constently searching for next big thing and they wanna be the first to be talking about them, that there picking up anyone with there own website a couple of free downloads and an obscure name..and telling us they are gonna be the next big thing...it looks like the one hit wonder effect has crossed over from pop to indie rock......dont get me wrong its great that there are so many new bands coming out...but an awful lot crap is slipping through on hype alone!!
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 4/27/2006 12:10 PM |
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I agree with Eoghan on Acrhitecture In Helsinki, I'm also less than enamoured with Arctic Monkeys.
And I just don't understand what people see in The Animal Collective and The Fiery Furnaces.
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sleepyglasseye New Member Posts:14
| 4/27/2006 12:47 PM |
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Like Morrisey said about reforming the Smiths 'i'd rather eat my own testicles'. Thats my feeling on listening to The Arctic boys.
The Animal Collective are superb. Great melodies, wonderful delay guitar sound....really flows over and seeps into you. There's little or no hype about them at all. Word of mouth and good reviews is all..
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Norman SchwarzkopfBasic Member Posts:427
| 4/27/2006 12:55 PM |
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I didnt mind Franz Ferdinand with the first album but I dunno why the new one has gotten so much good press. Every song Ive heard sounds like 3 song ideas patched awkwardly together. The Fallen is a mess!
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 4/27/2006 1:16 PM |
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Originally posted by sleepyglasseye
The Animal Collective are superb. Great melodies, wonderful delay guitar sound....really flows over and seeps into you. There's little or no hype about them at all. Word of mouth and good reviews is all..
Have you heard their side project, Campfire Songs? I nearly threw a cup at my stereo because it would have turned the f**king thing off quicker than me walking over to it. |
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elmo95Basic Member Posts:156
| 4/27/2006 2:56 PM |
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Clap your hands say yeah/Arctic Monkeys/ Animal Collective/ Franz Ferdinand/ Architecture in Helsinki = byproduct of overhyped media mongerers of what is 'cool' and 'uncool' for this week. I agree with Kramer in that the alternative/indie scene has become more commercialised which results in a saturation of new bands and they're not all that great. I did buy Funeral on a whim (hacks do sometimes work their magic on us all) but it really stuck with me and its one of my all time favourites now. After years of comlaining about lack of press attention for good bands, now there are more than enough being thrown at us through Pitchfork and myspace.
This has its advantages and disadvantages in that a lot of the bands are medicore, then we're left waiting for the next real thing rather than the next big things who are shoved down our throats faster the NMEs next Arctic Monkeys front page.But it is great in the way that once you do find a new band who are the real thing (at least to you) then it does make it worth all the monkey s**t that hits the fan and has infected everything from the ages of 13 and up
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| 4/27/2006 4:02 PM |
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what made me laugh the most..and slightly cry at the same time of the state of music these days or the effect nme is having on it..is that the a.monkey's album was realesed on a monday by thursday's edition on nme...it was voted no4 (i think,not sure on postion,but was top 5) in their greatest albums poll!!!...come on after 3 days of release it jumps to top 5 greatest albums..dont get me wrong..good lil album..but no top 5!!..if we are still talking about there album in 20 years...maybe then it deserves its position.
i think it was just hype alone that got it to that position..remember it was the nme that told us that 'menswear' are gonna be the next big thing!!!!
in the great words of public enemy...."dont belive the hype"...!!
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/27/2006 4:10 PM |
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Yeah Yeah Yeahs are fantastic.
I try not to pay attention to hype, just listen to what your friends recommend or a few critics you trust (for me, that's Kitty Empire), or just something you come across yourself. I have a pretty bad awareness of what's cool or not. I've been slagged for liking some bands or artists, as if people are trying to catch me out for not knowing that they're not cool. On the other hand, I've been slagged for liking bands that are unbeknownst to me RED HOT. If you like the music, you like the music.
I didn't listen to Arctic Monkeys for ages, because I presumed they were just another 'buzz band' but now I love them.
Hype is just PR, and whether you like a band or not has to do with 50% real quality and 50% taste, or some equally scientific equation. There are very few bands that really unite everyone.
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| 4/27/2006 4:30 PM |
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i agree with ya 100% there una...dont really listen to that much hype or critics and go for word of mouth...and if i here a song that gets my attention...regardless of who they are..i'll check them out...at moment tiga's new song "far from home" has got my attention...dont know how big he is or obsecure he is..dont know alot about euro dance music...but im gonna get the album today and found out!!
dont think there will ever be a band to unite everyone!!!...but until that day comes...
we may listen to hype/critics/mates/ and then listen to the album and coming to our own conclusion to find out if we can get 3 out of 3 there....
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 4/27/2006 5:02 PM |
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Moreso than hype from the media on new bands, I meant to focus on not getting what others (friends, trusted critics etc) do with certain acts. A recent example for me would be the new album by The Zutons. I read a number of reviews that slated it but it's a damn fine record, in my opinion. Are the critics who slated simply just not getting it? Or am I not getting what the album really is like? I suppose that boils down to personal taste but it could be a divine example of 'just not getting it'.......
By the way, I like Architecture In Helsinki's most recent album and they were great in TBMC.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/27/2006 5:35 PM |
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they're playing the Village soon, innit?
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 4/27/2006 5:46 PM |
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Just don't get:
Arctic Monkeys (Why the mass hysteria????)
Franz Ferdinand
Clap Your Hands Say Yeah
Pete Doherty/Babyshambles/Dirty Pretty Things
The Futureheads
Maximo Park
The Blizzards (Not in the same league as the others but there's a buzz around them that I'm just not feeling)
The Strokes
I could go on....and on....and on....
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 4/27/2006 7:18 PM |
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.../rant on..../
i f**king hate the word "hype". i would like to think i have enough cop-on not to be swayed by something just because everyone is belting on about it or there are ads everywhere and reviews everywhere too.
if i hear a tune and i like it, i'll go investigate to hear more. if someone writes about something and i read it and like the sound of it. i'll also go investigate. If this is "hype", then ALL music is hyped and ALL writers/DJs/music fans are involved in hype
i so f**king hate that word - its such a lazy cop-out of an expression
.../rant off..../
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thethirdplaceNew Member Posts:72
| 4/27/2006 9:10 PM |
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Originally posted by raoul
I thought the Clap Your Hands Say Yeah album was alright but not half as good as it was hyped up to be...
AB-SA-F***IN-LOOTLY! Truly awful record. I finally bought it yesterday. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/27/2006 9:55 PM |
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they were rubbish live
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 4/28/2006 12:02 AM |
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Originally posted by kramer
it looks like the one hit wonder effect has crossed over from pop to indie rock......
Personally, I reckon indie IS the new pop music, just on a smaller scale. To me, the whole dynamic of the way the commercial indie scene is kind of like a microcosm of the way the pop charts were in the early-mid 80s. That might sound kind of laughable but many indie bands now display a level of professionalism, polish and ambition that exceeds many an 80s pop act (compare many of the current indie breed and an act like bananarama seem delightfully amateur and naive by comparison).
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that like the 80s pop scene, the modern indie scene has a vibrancy to it, it's youthful, it's full of good yet often disposable music, there's a heavy emphasis on style, some acts are genuinely great and some are just derivative charlatans riding the coat tails of others.
Using phrases like "disposable" and "emphasis on style" might sound negative but this isn't a criticism of the current indie scene, just a reflction of how things are, it has good and bad aspects. If there is a criticism I have of indie, it's pehaps that it fails to recognise that it's already conquered the mainstream and can no longer play the underdog card.
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ctrlaltdeleteBasic Member Posts:268
| 4/28/2006 12:22 AM |
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I don't really see how people here can consider themselves outside the sphere of influence of the music media/industry, able to form completely uncoloured opinions on bands that they do or don't like.
The reality is that these days, to a large extent, the channels through which we get our music - from blogs to daytime radio - have as much influence as that music itself. "The medium is the message" rings just as through for music today, as it does for information.
there's so much music out there today, that the simplistic 'if i like it, i just listen to it' policy, just rings hollow to me.
/end of poncy hectoring
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 4/28/2006 12:34 AM |
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Franz Ferdinand, Artic Monkeys, Pete Doherty, Snow Patrol, Editors, Director, The Strokes, Kings of Leon, basically all that trendy, tuneless, NME, indie sh*te  |
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sleepyglasseyeNew Member Posts:14
| 4/28/2006 1:19 AM |
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NME, the music mans beano. I believe there's a bag of sweets free with the next issue...
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| 4/28/2006 9:56 AM |
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all these new bands coming out or being hyped...seem to be all style and no content..more worried about there name..and logo..for the uniforms they wear on stage and advertising!...but lack the music to back it up... Binokular was right making the 80's connection...and now bands these days seem more worried about how they look rather than how good there music is!!....its gonna be fun hearing all these bands "difficult" second album...ha
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 4/28/2006 10:09 AM |
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The Chalets - whats the point?
Graham Coxon - rejoin blur.
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cometBasic Member Posts:485
| 4/28/2006 10:38 AM |
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Originally posted by bonzo
The Chalets - whats the point?
I think everyone knows the point, 2 good looking girls!
I think a band shouldn't suffer unfair criticism either though just because they have been "hyped up" by the media, its not like its their fault. Instead of listening to the music for its own value inevitably people end up saying something "they aren't as good as the hype" but what does that mean?? Maybe its time to give the hyped bands a break, a Men in Black type memory eraser thing would be handy here to erase the media blurb so we could listen to the music without the burden of expectation. |
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themireNew Member Posts:44
| 4/28/2006 10:48 AM |
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I think a lot of people on here decide they don't like bands solely BECAUSE they are hyped.
Which means that you are buying into it after all, though you mightn't like to think it.
E.G. Artic Monkeys, Franz Ferdinand are hugely hyped ==> They must be crap
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 4/28/2006 10:58 AM |
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Originally posted by themire
I think a lot of people on here decide they don't like bands solely BECAUSE they are hyped.
Which means that you are buying into it after all, though you mightn't like to think it.
E.G. Artic Monkeys, Franz Ferdinand are hugely hyped ==> They must be crap
Actually no, they are crap = they are crap |
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themireNew Member Posts:44
| 4/28/2006 11:07 AM |
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Personally, I wouldn't say I'm into either Arctic Monkeys or Franz Ferdinand myself but I can see why people like them, and I do like some massively overhyped bands such as The Strokes and Coldplay.
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themireNew Member Posts:44
| 4/28/2006 11:17 AM |
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If I could extend the "Things you Just Don't Get.." question to TV programmes then that would be LOST.
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 4/28/2006 12:15 PM |
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It's ArCtic Monkeys!!!!! With a C!!!! Not only at the end, but between the r and the t! Jeeez.
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| 4/28/2006 12:28 PM |
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is it a case of, that there's so many new bands being hyped every week...that we have no major bands!!..like when we had the stone roses...or the blur/oasis thing..we just have lots of bands with barely an album under there belt..!!..hence maybe the reason we have the who, headlining oxyegen this year...is it that bad that a band from the 60's with only 2 memebers left is headlining!!..i like the who but..is there not anyone else that can do it...maybe thats the reason why we have so many bands reforming to tour again cause there's too many bands coming out..hailed as the next big thing...just take a look at the line up of bands for festivals across europe this summer...alot of old...with some very very new bands, with their 45 min sets
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thethirdplaceNew Member Posts:72
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 4/28/2006 2:30 PM |
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Originally posted by themire
I think a lot of people on here decide they don't like bands solely BECAUSE they are hyped.
Which means that you are buying into it after all, though you mightn't like to think it.
E.G. Artic Monkeys, Franz Ferdinand are hugely hyped ==> They must be crap
What about all the love that Arcade Fire have been getting here? |
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GarretBasic Member Posts:244
| 4/28/2006 10:40 PM |
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Little Man Tate
Planet Sound and Rolling Stone both said that they're gonna be even bigger than the Arctics.
They're decent yeah, but no better than a maximo park or bloc party. SOme of the songs on their myspace have been sh!te. Singles are stronger in fairness though
oh and they're from sheffield
I do often buy albums without hearing anything by them, only good words from journalists i trust. Last year i bought The National, Sufjan Stevens, d'Arcade Fire, Dan Sartain and Wolf Parade before I heard anything by them and was quite pleased by them all. Without the hype coming from certain places I'd have never bought some of those albums. You just need to know who you can trust and who you cant.
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