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Humanzi on the tele!!

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duncan

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1/31/2006 12:45 PM
Voices from a room, this weds network 2, 11.30. Stay up extra late and get the popcorn out!

benni

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1/31/2006 1:28 PM
:-D YEAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!

emu

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1/31/2006 3:10 PM
i dont really like humanzi it all sounds a bit samey so far. whens the album out

Antistar

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1/31/2006 7:00 PM
Humanzi, Humanzi, Humanzi...They better be good cos' I'm sick of hearing about 'em.

ctrlaltdelete

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1/31/2006 7:53 PM
caught their video on MTV2. meh.

melvin cokane

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2/1/2006 12:44 PM
anyone see this? any use? looking forward to hearing the album, if only out of pure curiousity...

benni

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2/1/2006 1:15 PM
'voices show is on tonight Vidjoe is on mtv2 with reg enough circulation Songs deadly.

Damien

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2/1/2006 1:20 PM
Can you see the video on t'internet anywhere? Don't have fancy digital channels.

Gar

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2/1/2006 1:33 PM
Try www.nme.com

Damien

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2/1/2006 1:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gar Try www.nme.com Oh God, do I have to?

WhoMe

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2/1/2006 2:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/w/?v=s6oDm0e-ixk

Damien

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2/1/2006 7:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by WhoMe http://www.youtube.com/w/?v=s6oDm0e-ixk That was ace of you. Nice one.

Pilchard

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2/2/2006 9:12 AM
humanzi on other voices was the funniest TV i've seen since the last series on curb your enthusiasm. i dont think i've laughed as much at a band in years. glad to be paying my tv licence for that. come on folks, tell me it's a joke. did one song really just consist of the line "get your s**t together" repeated over and over again? is this really what all the fuss is over? a bunch of wacky haircuts, a bit of juvenile strutting, rubbish riffs and lyrics which 12 year olds would sneer at? good god, they were rank. I suspect i may not be alone. this is the emperor's new clothes all over again. forget about this huge "deal", the band are rubbish.

Mully

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2/2/2006 9:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard come on folks, tell me it's a joke. did one song really just consist of the line "get your st together" repeated over and over again? That would be the song 'Get yout st together' ...

jaypers

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2/2/2006 9:42 AM
the band are far from rubbish! The sound for them was terrible but if you would take the time to go see them live in a proper venue it would be a different story!

Norman Schwarzkopf

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2/2/2006 9:48 AM
The sound may have been terrible (I didnt notice) but the songs still wouldnt cut it. Nothing special or interesting musically, lyrically, performance-ally... I hate the lighting on this show too. Looks like they lit the stage then someone turned the house lights on.

nerraw

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2/2/2006 10:41 AM
I don't believe for one second that Norman Schwarzkopf really believes that was the funniest thing he's seen. If so, what tv is he watching. Personally, I thought they sounded great, performed excellently and are by far one of the most exciting bands to come out of Ireland in years. As for slagging their hair cuts? That the best you can do? Jesus

dirtyboots

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2/2/2006 10:44 AM
ye in all fairness the lighting and sound was awful. the singing was completely dry- i mean what engineer does vocal mics without any reverb or delay at all? also camera work was dire. i'm not saying the band are amazing or that there st, i thought they came across badly on the show but that doesnt really interest me... the fact is that was a st rte setup and i dont think they should be judged until the album comes out in april and maybe you've seen a live gig. then say whatever you want!

Norman Schwarzkopf

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2/2/2006 10:45 AM
Eh, think you've misattributed that quote there nerraw. I didnt say they were funny, think it was jaypers. You really think they're exciting? What TV are you watching?

Norman Schwarzkopf

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2/2/2006 10:46 AM
Sorry it was Pilchard, not jaypers.

mannaman

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2/2/2006 11:32 AM
Ah c'mon they were wick! I found it embaressing that these guys have been receiving so much press recently! They were, as you say, laughable!! Just a sorry mess of Strokes, Killers, Editors wannabes with none of the substance!!

benni

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2/2/2006 1:29 PM
See them live - thats my comment!

Antistar

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2/2/2006 1:46 PM
Are they a novelty act like Sultans of Ping FC? They're hilarious!!! Love the little fella on the bass jumping up and down in his green overalls and naff lyrics repeated ad nauseum. The vocalist plays the keyboards too, really badly, just like Brandon Flowers! A great pastiche of all that is wrong with modern music. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant.

Unicron

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2/2/2006 2:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard humanzi on other voices was the funniest TV i've seen since the last series on curb your enthusiasm. i dont think i've laughed as much at a band in years. glad to be paying my tv licence for that. come on folks, tell me it's a joke. did one song really just consist of the line "get your s**t together" repeated over and over again? is this really what all the fuss is over? a bunch of wacky haircuts, a bit of juvenile strutting, rubbish riffs and lyrics which 12 year olds would sneer at? good god, they were rank. I suspect i may not be alone. this is the emperor's new clothes all over again. forget about this huge "deal", the band are rubbish. Is that all they got to play? I walked in and turned on the TV just as that started, not my thing.

Norman Schwarzkopf

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2/2/2006 3:13 PM
They played 3 in a row I think, then they came back to them for the "s**t together" song. They played 3 or 4. Did you see John Kelly's discomfort as O'Maonlai sang in his ear on a cliff? Ho ho!

nerraw

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2/2/2006 3:23 PM
Apologies Norman for the misquote. Honestly think they weren't that bad, not to be in fits of laughter anyway.

emu

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2/2/2006 3:33 PM
i think they might be a cd band cos the songs definitely sounde badf last night

jaypers

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2/2/2006 3:42 PM
no they are al about live to be honest!! They are a stompin band in the right venue. the sound and overall vibe in that church seemed to be brutal altogether!!

Norman Schwarzkopf

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2/2/2006 3:53 PM
I think a good band is a good band no matter where they play. Even if the atmosphere's lacking, the songs dont change. Most every band sounds better on record.

Gar

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2/2/2006 4:03 PM
The same thing happened last season for Republic Of Loose, their stage presence just didn't come across in the church or on the TV. Humanzi were pretty damn good in their headline TBMC gig but as with Artic Monkeys and other hyped up bands, the time to judge them is when the album is released.

Pilchard

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2/2/2006 4:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Antistar Are they a novelty act like Sultans of Ping FC? They're hilarious!!! Love the little fella on the bass jumping up and down in his green overalls and naff lyrics repeated ad nauseum. The vocalist plays the keyboards too, really badly, just like Brandon Flowers! A great pastiche of all that is wrong with modern music. Brilliant. Brilliant. Brilliant. i had forgotten about the bass-player, the poor wee shorty had to keep jumping up and down to make sure he got his mug on screen. c'mon people, dont give me this crap about "they're better live" or "they're better on CD" or "it was a crap mix cos of the engineer" (obviously someone very close to the band if they know/think that) - they have NO SONGS!!! thats the bottom line. without songs, they might fool a few fashionistas and the like but that will do until the next bandwagon pulls into town with a new set of diet pills and magazines (another songtitle that has to be someone's idea of a joke) to dish out. humanzi will be back busking for vodafone without a year or two. there are SO many better bands around than this lot - lets walk on by, nothing to see here.

Damien

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2/2/2006 9:14 PM
Heard off a friend (who incidentally, likes them) that it wasn't great. Said they were up on the RTE site to watch I think. I disagree Pilchard. As of yet I've heard three songs and seen both the videos and while there is a whack of 'style' or whatever off them I think the tunes stand up. Diet Pills (awfull name I agree) and Fix the Cracks are both stompers, class tunes altogether and the other one (forget the name) is ok too. Saw them live yonks ago (HWCH 2004), they put on a class show, gave it loads. You won't see many bands round these parts who put that sort of energy into a gig. Gar's right, its best to judge when the albums out. I'm looking forward to it for one.

Repo man

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2/3/2006 11:19 AM
My god! Explain why Diet Pills is a bad name for a song? That is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. Also, to annoy ya'll even more, they won the meteor award last night....

Mar

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2/3/2006 11:33 AM
i think they're great- i cant understand alot of the bitching i've heard about them, its a terrible trait of the Irish that when someone starts to become successful we are so quick to begrudge them

miwadi

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2/3/2006 11:54 AM
Have to agree, they were crap, sound songs & performance(and lighting did look a house). Liked the Pinky guy though, vocals like Jeff Buckley, guitar like Nick Drake.

melvin cokane

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2/3/2006 12:09 PM
agree with gar, wait till the album...all this bollocks about them being briliant and fantastic etc.. and the other side saying how they're s**te etc etc etc etc .....shut the hell up! until they have an album out you cant really rate them fairly... personally i've been to humanzi gigs and they put on a great show, add to that they seem like hard working lads...fair dues to them if all goes well...but regarding the hype, crap, stupid cliched spin.... its all nonsence, the same applies, wait for the album, and then like em or hate em....at least there will be a basis from which a decision can be reached...jaysus....life is good....the meteors however are absolutely irrelevant...............ANGELS OF MONS anyone???

Damien

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2/3/2006 12:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by melvin cokane the meteors however are absolutely irrelevant It'd still be great to win one though, just to wip your arse with it or whatever.

Norman Schwarzkopf

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2/3/2006 12:59 PM
I dont think I need to wait for the album. They presumably put their best foot forward on TV when they played. I dont care about their hair, their clothes, the hype, the deal, the engineer. The songs, to my ears, simply aren't good. I'm glad you say they're hard-working cos maybe they'll apply some of that graft to their songwriting someday.

dummyrun

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2/3/2006 1:31 PM
Did 1 of em Humanzi blokes used to be in a band called Listo?... who were on the vodafone add a couple of years ago? and who looked like carbon copies of Oasis? "Sun- Sheiiiiiiine!" I saw them accept their award at The Meteors last night! They cursed and made a smart remark about Westlife (".)... The naughtys! Thats their chance to be aired on telly blown! Hahahaha

sonsofnow

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2/3/2006 1:33 PM
ireland is a nation of bregrudgers we hate to see other people doing well, its as simple as that!! im delighted a band like humanzi has made it might attract more attention on the music scene in ireland and allow more bands to come through! thats my 2 cents

dummyrun

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2/3/2006 1:38 PM
I would like to add though, that I havnt heard Humanzi and thus I cannot speak ill of em... Didnt like Listo though

mannaman

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2/3/2006 3:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by sonsofnow ireland is a nation of bregrudgers we hate to see other people doing well, its as simple as that!! im delighted a band like humanzi has made it might attract more attention on the music scene in ireland and allow more bands to come through! thats my 2 cents I think we want to see some bands come through man - but we need to see originality that is the biggie! and on evidence so far Humanzi are lacking!

Dromed

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2/3/2006 3:29 PM
THere is no such thing as originality anymore....only reinterpretation. Name one truly 'original', contemporary Irish band?

benni

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2/3/2006 3:34 PM
In fairness not every single band out there needs to be the innovators of some great new sound or be the future of music. With the exception of a few like Beck or Bjork most is just reinterpretation as Dromed said. Humanzi are balls to the wall rock n roll with plently of catchy riffs and dark synthy edges. They do what they do well. Seriously - see them live and then you'll see.

mannaman

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2/3/2006 4:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by benni Seriously - see them live and then you'll see. Saw them live on Other Voices and the songs simply didnt stand up. Even if you aint original at least the strongs have to be as strong as hell and for me they simply arent there. I fear for a band like Humanzi as I think they will get lost in the hype and at best they will turn into a THrills or a Strokes where they will have huge instant success but end up bereft of ideas about how to dream it all up again - and so therefore end up plodding along in mediocrity.

Dromed

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2/3/2006 4:43 PM
Eh, I don't think you can put the Thrills and The Strokes in the same category sorry. And as for the Strokes..well 3 albums in and they seem to be doing ok..in fact, I'd be pretty sure any band that made it to their level would be pretty satisfied. But sure when Humanzi support them in the Point Depot at the end of the month they can ask them about that themselves :) I'm really surprised by the level of venom in some of the previous posts, it's a bit pathetic that people have to resort to really childish, below-the-belt comments to back up their arguments on whether a band is decent or not. If you don't like the music, that's fair enough...but slagging off someone for being small (??!!) Such ridiculous comments make the entire argument completely invalid.

wyldstallyn

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2/3/2006 4:46 PM
I know I'm not on here at all(in fact my only contribution so far on this board was for that Virgin digital name the bands thing) but for the record I thought Humanzi were great. They're a band who I knew straightaway that I could relate to. I like balls to the wall rock n roll as Benni puts it.....and rock n roll is a genre which due to its very nature is driven by reinterpretion. And I don't know where yer man gets off calling them a joke band.You know full well they're not a joke band. You may hate their music, their style etc but clearly others do like their music and style. Calling them a joke is a cheap way of signalling your dislike for them.

mannaman

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2/3/2006 4:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed Eh, I don't think you can put the Thrills and The Strokes in the same category sorry. And as for the Strokes..well 3 albums in and they seem to be doing ok..in fact, I'd be pretty sure any band that made it to their level would be pretty satisfied. But sure when Humanzi support them in the Point Depot at the end of the month they can ask them about that themselves :) I'm really surprised by the level of venom in some of the previous posts, it's a bit pathetic that people have to resort to really childish, below-the-belt comments to back up their arguments on whether a band is decent or not. If you don't like the music, that's fair enough...but slagging off someone for being small (??!!) Such ridiculous comments make the entire argument completely invalid. The Strokes thing is down to your own interpretation mate! Have either two albums since been up to the debut? dont think so and yes I have listened! Its all about what you interpret as success really!! if applying to the lowest common denominator is your thing then I wish you and your band all the best!

wyldstallyn

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2/3/2006 4:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by mannaman quote: Originally posted by Dromed Eh, I don't think you can put the Thrills and The Strokes in the same category sorry. And as for the Strokes..well 3 albums in and they seem to be doing ok..in fact, I'd be pretty sure any band that made it to their level would be pretty satisfied. But sure when Humanzi support them in the Point Depot at the end of the month they can ask them about that themselves :) I'm really surprised by the level of venom in some of the previous posts, it's a bit pathetic that people have to resort to really childish, below-the-belt comments to back up their arguments on whether a band is decent or not. If you don't like the music, that's fair enough...but slagging off someone for being small (??!!) Such ridiculous comments make the entire argument completely invalid. The Strokes thing is down to your own interpretation mate! Have either two albums since been up to the debut? dont think so and yes I have listened! Its all about what you interpret as success really!! if applying to the lowest common denominator is your thing then I wish you and your band all the best! I read on this thread that you called them a mesh of Strokes, Killers and Editors which I think is way off the mark. Especially the Killers bit What were you referring to exactly when you said 'lowest common denominator'?

mannaman

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2/3/2006 5:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by wyldstallyn quote: Originally posted by mannaman quote: Originally posted by Dromed Eh, I don't think you can put the Thrills and The Strokes in the same category sorry. And as for the Strokes..well 3 albums in and they seem to be doing ok..in fact, I'd be pretty sure any band that made it to their level would be pretty satisfied. But sure when Humanzi support them in the Point Depot at the end of the month they can ask them about that themselves :) I'm really surprised by the level of venom in some of the previous posts, it's a bit pathetic that people have to resort to really childish, below-the-belt comments to back up their arguments on whether a band is decent or not. If you don't like the music, that's fair enough...but slagging off someone for being small (??!!) Such ridiculous comments make the entire argument completely invalid. The Strokes thing is down to your own interpretation mate! Have either two albums since been up to the debut? dont think so and yes I have listened! Its all about what you interpret as success really!! if applying to the lowest common denominator is your thing then I wish you and your band all the best! I read on this thread that you called them a mesh of Strokes, Killers and Editors which I think is way off the mark. Especially the Killers bit What were you referring to exactly when you said 'lowest common denominator'? Very true - I apologise! I was being a bit kind - the Killers and Editors are actually quite good! I think I am entitled to say I dont like this band if I dont like them. I wasnt among those who talked of people being short or having funny haircuts and I simply thought the songs were weak and they lacked anything original - in other words rock wise they have gone "ok this is whats popular right now - lets do a bit of that and hope we get noticed!" - fair play I say but when you ride the crest of a wave you always run the risk of being thrown off very quickly!

wyldstallyn

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2/3/2006 5:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by mannaman quote: Originally posted by wyldstallyn quote: Originally posted by mannaman quote: Originally posted by Dromed Eh, I don't think you can put the Thrills and The Strokes in the same category sorry. And as for the Strokes..well 3 albums in and they seem to be doing ok..in fact, I'd be pretty sure any band that made it to their level would be pretty satisfied. But sure when Humanzi support them in the Point Depot at the end of the month they can ask them about that themselves :) I'm really surprised by the level of venom in some of the previous posts, it's a bit pathetic that people have to resort to really childish, below-the-belt comments to back up their arguments on whether a band is decent or not. If you don't like the music, that's fair enough...but slagging off someone for being small (??!!) Such ridiculous comments make the entire argument completely invalid. The Strokes thing is down to your own interpretation mate! Have either two albums since been up to the debut? dont think so and yes I have listened! Its all about what you interpret as success really!! if applying to the lowest common denominator is your thing then I wish you and your band all the best! I read on this thread that you called them a mesh of Strokes, Killers and Editors which I think is way off the mark. Especially the Killers bit What were you referring to exactly when you said 'lowest common denominator'? Very true - I apologise! I was being a bit kind - the Killers and Editors are actually quite good! I think I am entitled to say I dont like this band if I dont like them. I wasnt among those who talked of people being short or having funny haircuts and I simply thought the songs were weak and they lacked anything original - in other words rock wise they have gone "ok this is whats popular right now - lets do a bit of that and hope we get noticed!" - fair play I say but when you ride the crest of a wave you always run the risk of being thrown off very quickly! Fair enough if you don't like them you don't like them. I happen to think they're excellent. You don't but that's neither here nor there. Just regarding this bit you said "they lacked anything original". Agian I'll have to go back to what's beem said about orginality and reinterpretaion. By the way I reckon thier influences go further back than merely honing in on "whats popular right now" Just as a minor sidenote i think Killers, Strokes and Editors struggle a lot in the originality department. This music thing really is subjective, huh?

raoul

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2/3/2006 5:32 PM
Can anyone name one other Irish band who sound like Humanzi? I can't, and thats a good thing (imo). Its all about perspective. People are comparing them to the likes of the strokes, the killers etc. Whether or not you like these bands, you are comparing humanzi to undoubtedly hugely successful bands. That's the scale you are measuring them on. Expectations seem to be very high.. why not just let them, do what they do. If you don't like it fine, there seems to be enough people who do, so they probably dont really give a f**k. they seem to be enjoying themselves more than most twentysomethings i know!!

Una

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2/3/2006 7:19 PM
My friends, a few points: regarding the 'originality' comments. just because you're not original doesn't mean you have to be st. If the sound was so bad for Humanzi, then why was it fine for everyone else. ? Unless there are SERIOUS sound difficulties, ie, amps not working AT ALL, then "the sound was really bad" is a euphamism for "the band sound really bad" which is a euphamism for "the band is actually really bad." I've seen great performances from talented bands in fking cafes for Christ sake - just because they're playing in a poor context does not mean they are going to perform badly. It's just an excuse for a band that are bad at performing. Anytime anyone slags an Irish band for being st, most people drag out the old 'begrudgery' argument. Listen, MOST Irish bands are st, most bands in the WORLD are s**t. And finally, the mistake that we can all make: just because something is new, does not mean it is exciting.

pvc

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2/3/2006 7:21 PM
seems to be humanzi are abit like marmite.......

Una

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2/3/2006 7:28 PM
are you trying to say that they smell?

alio

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2/3/2006 7:38 PM
irish bands that sound like humanzi... none that have made it but around the circuit i suppose that band sick boy, that mighty stef fella at times, vesta varro perhaps... theres quite a few "up and coming" its a very current sound. not a bad one but not tremendously inspiring either. but fair play to them theyve obviusly worked very hard at getting this far and its about time music thats made for a reason other than money is getting some mainstream attention. no bodies saying there the most ground breaking band ever there just lads doing a thing they obviously love and theyre very lucky. the hype may be annoying but itd be much better to talk about whats good in music rather than whats you think is crap if you think other bands deserve it more than humanzi why try and promote them to offer alternatives not negativity.....this is all very boring

Una

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2/3/2006 7:42 PM
Do Humanzi have people talking about them because of their music? It seems to me that their music is just incidental to them being in a bad, by the way most people are going on about them.

raoul

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2/3/2006 8:07 PM
Originally posted by Una "the sound was really bad" is a euphamism for "the band sound really bad" which is a euphamism for "the band is actually really bad." b****x. "the sound was really bad" means what it says. Bands play good gigs and bad gigs all the time. Maybe this was a bad one. That does not mean that the band is really bad. The whole is greater than the sum of parts. What you are doing there Una is blatantly maniuplating somebody's comment to suit your own opinion. An cunning tactic used by journalists since the beginning of time. In the words of Kurt Kobain "musical inspiration seems to have been deformed by the vicious and self serving pleasure of the journalist which naturally incites band to become paranoid, defensive, jaded, abusive and uncooperative". The word "vicious" undoubtedly applies to some of the comments posted on this forum.

Una

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2/3/2006 8:16 PM
I hope this is the last time Kurt Cobain is referenced in a post about a local Dublin band. Of course I'm suiting my own opinion, it's a message board. For the record, I don't really rate Humanzi as particularly good OR bad, I just find the discourse surrounding their very existence pretty interesting, hell, 'wild'.

raoul

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2/3/2006 8:34 PM
The words of Kurt Cobain which I referenced can be universally applied to any band - regardless of geography. Besides if Humanzi are going to be compared to world renowned bands -is it so far out to use the words of a world renowned musician? His words are true. Maybe one of the reasons that there is so much discourse surrounding the band's "very existence" is that they are the only band of their kind in Ireland at the moment. I pose the question again, can anybody name one other Irish band who sound like Humanzi? (and no, the mighty stef and Sick Boy, sound nothing like them!)

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2/3/2006 10:41 PM
Jesus, slaggin off a band cause of their size or haircuts! Get a life mate! At least they have a noticable strong style, a department most Irish bands could have a look at!!

Una

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2/4/2006 11:01 AM
yes, slagging them about how they look is ridiculous. It just seems that you can't comment on the MUSICALITY of an Irish band without people jumping down your throat. As for Humanzi being the only band of 'their kind' in Ireland - eh, they're a rock band...? I've got absolutely nothing against the band - but I do have something against an incoherant love or hate fest in any band's direction.

Unicron

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2/4/2006 1:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by raoul Can anyone name one other Irish band who sound like Humanzi? Not really, but I got a text of a friend of mine a few weeks ago when he saw them playing with Ch-1 which basically said "they sound like a ton of currently-fashionable English bands". Would they get this much hatred were it not for "the deal"? If they were just another band gigging around the country people that didn't like them would just be dismissing them as "ste" and there would be none of the venomous comments. Like I said, what they do doesn't float my boat (I prefer music that keeps its balls in its trousers) but I recognise that they seem to be good at it so fair fks to them. On the other hand all the people harping on about begrudgery should grow the f**k up. Love the drumming on "Fix The Cracks" though.

raoul

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2/4/2006 5:00 PM
eh...nobody said they were the only type of band of "their kind" in Ireland. That would be a ridiculous statement to make. You seem to have misquoted me there Una. I asked if anyone could name any other Irish band who sound like Humanzi? So far, nobody has been able to name one band. We produce one band in this country, who are on par with these currently in vogue english bands" (if not better) and everyone jumps on their backs!! The fact their music is "the sound of now" should not take away from the genuine talent that they have of writing a good song with a good riff which I believe they have. As regards being against the whole love/hate fest - when you imply that a band is crap to people who contest this - it's inevitable that there's going to be debate. The amount of posts in regard to this topic only proves that there is just as many people who like the band as dislike them. That is the reason for all of this "wild" discourse.

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2/5/2006 12:51 AM
Oh pleeeeease keep this thread going! It's f*cking fantasically entertaining. If this wasn't a message board and was "real life" and you were all face to face, by my calculations, there would be at least 7 people set on fire by now! Couldn't agree more with you comment on the whole 'new' and 'exciting' thing Una. Sure those two little rapscallions that used to (or still do?) sing on Grafton St?? They were 'new' for while alright, but considering they had voices as sweet & gentle as a chainsaw, the only thing I could get 'excited' about was the thought of being far far away from them. I just can't wait to hear Humanzi now to see what all this fuss is about.

sonsofnow

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2/5/2006 5:59 PM
your all bad mouthing a band here that are doing great things for the Irish music scene and you all are hiding behind a username come on people be real tell us what band your in! before you go slating somebody else's musical ability

WhoMe

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2/6/2006 10:31 AM
so i watched a the recording on the rte website. Now i only heard it through my crappy work pc speaker but it sounds alright to me. Its just really the first half of the first tune that sounds dodgy. Fix the cracks is sound enough. Bit of a weird venue alright. everyone needs to chill whether u dig humanzi or not. They are keeping their heads down, trying to do the best with whats in front of them. I dont have to love this band to hope they do well. When was the last time there was a buzz like this around a irish band,. They are taking it to the next level. PEACE

Unicron

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2/6/2006 1:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by sonsofnow your all bad mouthing a band here that are doing great things for the Irish music scene and you all are hiding behind a username come on people be real tell us what band your in! before you go slating somebody else's musical ability "You're (note the spelling) not in a band, who are you to judge," weakest, most cliched argument ever, well done.

sonsofnow

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2/6/2006 2:11 PM
unicron do u not see my username thats my band name!! im not hiding behind any name

WhoMe

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2/6/2006 2:26 PM
well you're hiding behind your bands name in fairness :-)

Pilchard

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2/6/2006 2:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by sonsofnow your all bad mouthing a band here that are doing great things for the Irish music scene and you all are hiding behind a username come on people be real tell us what band your in! before you go slating somebody else's musical ability ok sonsofnow, heres mud in your eye I'm not in a band, never have been, never will be. i'm a music fan. i like all kinds of music. i've watched with interest this whole Humanzi nonsense build and build. Their performance on Other Voices last week was ludicruously funny. They dont have any songs, they dont have any semblance of songs. They sounded dreadful and they dont seem to have any clues beyond a few half-witted attempts at punk rock (which so many bands do better because these bands can play and write songs). I keep remembering their "Get Your s**t Together" song and chuckling Humanzi right now are a big, over-inflated pile of poo. "doing great things for the irish music scene?" ah would u ever go away and boil your head - Humanzi are doing NOTHING for the irish music scene, they're doing everything for themselves, thats what bands and acts do. it might follow if they ever get as successful as a U2 that people will talk about them in an irish context. but i'm willing to bet here and now that Humanzi will be largely gone and forgotten in 2 years. theres nothing here beyond a slightly fashionable style and very, very little substance. Nothing to see here, move along now

sonsofnow

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2/6/2006 2:37 PM
its graham from the sons of now if ya must know!!

sonsofnow

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2/6/2006 2:43 PM
so what if they are gone in two years isnt it have better to have made it and at least given it a fair shot which is what they are doing then to have never made it at all!

benni

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2/6/2006 2:45 PM
Ykno one thing that really pisses me off about all of this bullst is this... The Other Voices sess wasnt the right place to see Humanzi - argue that as you wish but they are a band that engage with the audience - ive seen them enough times to realise this. The static, removed vibe of that set up is not for a rock and roll band ..end of...its to watch the usual kind of acts they have on it. singer songwriters and bands not so aggressive in their performances. But even more than that - so many of the comments are personal - which is b**x cause if your trying to argue the legitimacy of their music, but then end up makin comments about height or haircuts then you're laughed at. Picking up on peoples grammar who post here just to get one over is also petty - if you just dont agree with their point of view then just stick with that - noone said you had to be a perfect typist to post on here. And finally - Clap Your Hands Say Yea played on Sat night - and most people i spoke to said they were rubbish - I thought so too. They're a hit and miss band apparently but no one has given them even half the amount of abuse Humanzi are gettin - also on the back of one performance. Yes Clap your hands have proved their albums worth but Humanzi are yet to do that so wait to hear that till you start spouting off. At the end of the day all this bad mouthing DOES have so much to do with the fact that they are confident local lads who believe in themselves and some people just love to get the nail in cause of that dont they.

sonsofnow

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2/6/2006 2:48 PM
here here benni!!!fair play

benni

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2/6/2006 2:52 PM
Cheers Sons on Now...person! Caught the end of your set on Fri btw - good stuff.

sonsofnow

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2/6/2006 2:56 PM
hahaha cheers benni!! ya should have come up and sed hello!! glad someone else is talking sense here!!

nerraw

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2/6/2006 2:58 PM
What gets me is that the set was hilarious. I'd like to think I have a good sense of humour but there was nothing remotely funny about them. You might think they were s**te, but "oh my god i couldn't stop laughing" just comes across as being spiteful

WhoMe

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2/6/2006 2:59 PM
cant we all learn to get along.

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2/6/2006 3:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by sonsofnow your all bad mouthing a band here that are doing great things for the Irish music scene and you all are hiding behind a username come on people be real tell us what band your in! before you go slating somebody else's musical ability U2

mutch

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2/6/2006 3:50 PM
just listening to humanzi song "fix the cracks" can anyone explain the guitar sound used for the intro and post chorus? it sounds like feedback, am a wannabe guitarist so am interested... think i like em. they dont seem to hold back.

Pilchard

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2/6/2006 4:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by benni Ykno one thing that really pisses me off about all of this bullst is this... The Other Voices sess wasnt the right place to see Humanzi - argue that as you wish but they are a band that engage with the audience - ive seen them enough times to realise this. The static, removed vibe of that set up is not for a rock and roll band ..end of...its to watch the usual kind of acts they have on it. singer songwriters and bands not so aggressive in their performances. But even more than that - so many of the comments are personal - which is b**x cause if your trying to argue the legitimacy of their music, but then end up makin comments about height or haircuts then you're laughed at. Picking up on peoples grammar who post here just to get one over is also petty - if you just dont agree with their point of view then just stick with that - noone said you had to be a perfect typist to post on here. "The Other Voices sess wasnt the right place to see Humanzi" - thats a really lame excuse benni. TV is about projecting an image. humanzi projected what they were about on the TV show. they would like to be seen as balls-out garage rock, but they just dont have any songs, direction or excitement for that image to really come thru. "a band that engage with the audience" - surely people watching on TV are an audience too?? Most peeps i have spoken to about the show thought that the band were awful. there was a review of them on Pet Sounds the following night that compared them to Sigue Sigue Sputnik and they may be onto something. humanzi will engage with a very small, specialised audience and nothing more than that "ive seen them enough times to realise this" - bully for u but the rest of us will see them on TV shows like this and make our minds up based on that. "The static, removed vibe of that set up is not for a rock and roll band" - really? so why did they do it then? they could always have said no. they did for the profile and exposure and unfortunately, many of us who were exposed to them didnt think much of what we saw. now we're been criticised for airing our views. I dont see them complaining about the Meteors though, aother "static, removed vibe of that set-up". Still, its good that they have a co-manager from MCD for some things, isnt it? as for comments bout grammer and typing, that aint me. never start with a beef with someone over grammer - it just ends in punctuation

benni

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2/6/2006 4:55 PM
Man just the way that was picked apart shows that you just genuinely wanna say as much bad things about them that is possible to find. I dont think everyone should like them - i never said that. Music is personal and I hate when people say 'Oh my god i cant believe you like/dont like that band. But most of the critisms have began with sluggish musical references and simply boiled into petty school yard digs... re read this post as evidence to that fact. A TV audience and a live audience is completely different - come on now Pilchard...as much as we may disagree on this topic i know you've been to enough gigs to agree with that. And it IS an entirely different vibe seeing them on a stage and giving it 110% than in front of a static seated audience that are at least 10-15ft away from the band. And as for quoting politics about MCD or whoever - is it SO bad that a band who have worked in music since their youth...exploring several different angles seperately and collectively get recognition and support from Irish industry professionals? Sure isnt that what we all give out about all the time? That not enough focus and time is put into the Irish scene -and then as soon as it is its used as a sore point for arguement sake.

Pilchard

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2/6/2006 5:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by benni Man just the way that was picked apart shows that you just genuinely wanna say as much bad things about them that is possible to find. no, benni, that was not my intention. i just wanted to go thru your argument point by point and put my point across. that you see this as "bad things" is kinda silly - just because i dont agree with u doesnt make my views "bad things" quote: Originally posted by benni A TV audience and a live audience is completely different - come on now Pilchard...as much as we may disagree on this topic i know you've been to enough gigs to agree with that. And it IS an entirely different vibe seeing them on a stage and giving it 110% than in front of a static seated audience that are at least 10-15ft away from the band. of course, they are two different things BUT theyre still an audience that a band has to engage with. if a load of music fans that i know watched the show, saw the band and went "naaah", that means the band didnt engage with their audience. if they can't get their vibe across to a friendly audience in dingle and on irish tv, god help them when they're touring the US and playing to 12 or 13 people in some redneck town in the middle of nowhere quote: Originally posted by benni And as for quoting politics about MCD or whoever - is it SO bad that a band who have worked in music since their youth...exploring several different angles seperately and collectively get recognition and support from Irish industry professionals? Sure isnt that what we all give out about all the time? That not enough focus and time is put into the Irish scene -and then as soon as it is its used as a sore point for arguement sake. Humanzi have got a lot of extra help that most irish bands dont get and its important to realise that they've got this thru contacts (ie the Pixies support, the Strokes support, any Irish show which they do which MCD are promoting). i'm not giving out about this or using this to score points, merely mentioning it so people know the whole story

jaypers

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2/6/2006 5:57 PM
This Pilchard charchter just seems to be shockin jealous if you ask me. And so what if Humanzi didnt come across well on tv. they are not about tv. Sometimes music isnt about having hit songs and sounding and looking good on a s**te programme like Other voices. Sometimes its all about how a band can create an athmoshere in a room/venue. making the audience feel every bit apart of what there doing! And every time ive seen Humanzi theyve blown me away! Im delighted for them! they deserve every bit of credit they get!

Unicron

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2/6/2006 6:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by sonsofnow unicron do u not see my username thats my band name!! im not hiding behind any name Doesn't make any difference, my point was that your argument that people not in bands are in no position to comment on Humanzi is incredibly weak. Anyway since you ask, I'm in a band, we're called Nanobot, I fail to see how this fact bears any relation to to validity of my opinions, I wasn't a fan of theirs before I was in a band either; like I said, they're not my thing, who cares?

Unicron

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2/6/2006 6:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard Humanzi have got a lot of extra help that most irish bands dont get and its important to realise that they've got this thru contacts (ie the Pixies support, the Strokes support, any Irish show which they do which MCD are promoting). i'm not giving out about this or using this to score points, merely mentioning it so people know the whole story While it's fine that people get to know the whole story I don't think their "MCD connection" is something to throw at them. Every band exploits contacts to furthur their careers, it's just that Humanzi have been fortunate enough to make some very important and influential contacts. But contacts alone aren't going to get them where it seems they want to go, in the end they're gonna have to impress those that see them and it certainly seems that there are plenty who have been, at the same time there are plenty who aren't. I've yet to see them in some sweaty little room which seems to be their natural habitat where I'll almost certainly be blown away by their performance if I'm to believe their fans here, but surely if what I've seen of them thusfar; be it on the radio or on the TV or in a stadium hasn't enticed me to investigate them furthur then seeing them play Dorans or Whelans or the Music Centre or wherever isn't gonna make much difference.

Thomas Walsh

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2/7/2006 2:29 AM
quote: Anyway since you ask, I'm in a band, we're called Nanobot. I'm in a band called PUGWASH. Anyone heard of them.....? TW.

Nomington

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2/7/2006 5:29 AM
Pilchard, stop picking away at everything poor Benni has to say.. I think you're clutching at straws to hold your argument up. I haven't heard Humanzi AT ALL yet so I can't comment on them, but Benni (and various other people who have said on this thread), is right; A television performance is not the be all and end all of a band. Maybe they did come across so sh*t to you so now you won't give them the time of day but I find it really funny when people have to display that much (negative) passion about something, especially music, when they could just sorta let it go and let others get on with it and enjoy.I'm waiting for the backlash now of 'This is a DISCUSSION board, hello??' but seriously. Better to love than hate eh?! Actually, a great example of where a performance did not come off great live, was The National on Jools Holland a couple of months ago. The vocals were so weak, it was bitterly disappointing considering the voice I know Matt Berninger has and the music, to me, sounded, for want of a better word, bitty. However I also saw them in Whelans and they were absolutely brilliant and one of the best gigs I've been to in a long while. And Alligator is one of my favourite albums ever. So let's say Pilchard, someone like you only saw them for the first time on that show and didn't think much (as I also didn't), would you do the same, slate them before you have had a chance to create a more informed opinion? I'm not saying your wrong necessarily, because maybe they really did have a lasting impression on you but maybe you can see the point that TV performances CAN and DO go horribly wrong.

melvin cokane

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2/7/2006 9:18 AM
Surely the band didnt sign up for this tv gig without knowing the set up?? i mean its in a bloody church isnt it? they did it for the exposure as any group would.As i said before I HAVE seen them live a number of times and for me i love their gigs. Perhaps they didnt come across as well as they might have; Mick dropped the mike on the late late; the loose only had three minutes on that show!! still were most played irish band on radio last year!! lads, if humanzi annoy ye that much life must be a pain in the hole. Personally i'm gonna get the album either way and i'll bet everyone on this board will too, whether they like em or hate em.....and decide then whether i'm into em or not....

benni

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2/7/2006 9:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Nomington Pilchard, stop picking away at everything poor Benni has to say.. haha! Jeaysus! its ok I'm not sobbing in a corner man We just disagree and obviously my arguements are too strong... and he's too stubborn to back down.... its ok Pilchard

Dromed

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2/7/2006 10:18 AM
From www.gigwise.com..... Humanzi have been announced as the support act of Dirty Pretty Things first ever UK tour. The Irish quartet will play all thirteen dates with Carl Barat and co across the country in February and March. Humanzi recently won the Best Newcomer award at Ireland’s Meteor Awards. The Tour dates are: Oxford, Zodiac - February 26 Birmingham, Academy - 27 Norwich, Waterfront - 28 Northumbria, University - March 2 Leeds, Cockpit - 3 Liverpool, Stanley Theatre - 4 Glasgow, ABC2 - 5 Portsmouth, Wedgewood Rooms - 7 London, Kings College - 8 Sheffield, Leadmill - 10 Stoke, Sugarmill - 11 Manchester, Academy 3 - 12 Nottingham, Rescue Rooms - 13

Pilchard

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2/7/2006 10:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by benni quote: Originally posted by Nomington Pilchard, stop picking away at everything poor Benni has to say.. haha! Jeaysus! its ok I'm not sobbing in a corner man We just disagree and obviously my arguements are too strong... and he's too stubborn to back down.... its ok Pilchard pilchard has no problems arguing his/her own corner on these things! interesting that nomington thinks i'm "picking away" at everything benni says - what would nomington prefer, me to just make some flippant remark and leave it at that? i think its far more telling that nomington hasnt bothered to actually go through my points and offer counter views. its all just about opinions people as for benni's arguments been "too strong" - not a chance benni old bean! the band appeared on a TV show, they looked and sounded dreadful and people will judge them on that. as someone else said, not everyone will get to see them first in the most ideal environment. Because there has been much said and written about Humanzi and so little heard or seen, everyone is keen to see them, it's why all these views of their Other Voices appearance are getting so much coverage here (this must be one of the most viewed threads on Cluas). If people want to leave it until the album or until they play in your livingroom, fine, their call i'm now heartily bored of Humanzi.

benni

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2/7/2006 10:43 AM
ah for f**k sake pilchard can you not get a grasp on the concept of good humoured sarcasm..... and takin the piss ....and also lightening the hell up. Jesus. We're obviously never gonna agree. Chill out.

Damien

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2/7/2006 11:53 AM
Scraaaaaap

benni

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2/7/2006 11:57 AM
hahaha!

Mar

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2/7/2006 12:10 PM
can't we just forget about this topic for a while?,this is the third message board i've been on today that has an ongoing Humanzi debate, have to say whether you like them or not(for the record I do) you have to admit its at least interesting that they've stirred up such debate as opposed to indifference, can everyone just agree to disagree for the time being and wait for the album..

WhoMe

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2/7/2006 12:17 PM
The end seen of the movie "Volcano" Scene: All the survivors of all different races are covered in ash, little boy says, Look, everybody looks the same And who said this wasnt a classic movie :-)

Damien

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2/7/2006 12:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by WhoMe The end seen of the movie "Volcano" Scene: All the survivors of all different races are covered in ash, little boy says, Look, everybody looks the same And who said this wasnt a classic movie :-) He's clearly wrong, they're just covered in ash.

benni

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2/7/2006 12:21 PM
that scene is the cheese!

WhoMe

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2/7/2006 12:29 PM
A fine vintage classic cheese

WhoMe

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2/7/2006 12:34 PM
My point being, if you were to take everyone who has posted about Humanzi, Good or bad and covered them all in ash, We would all look the same. ha ha, I really should eat some breakfast Any volcanos on the south side?

Damien

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2/7/2006 12:35 PM
Does sugarloaf count?

WhoMe

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2/7/2006 12:39 PM
Honestly Damien, i cant give you an answer on that till i have some breakfast. I dont want to Give you an answer without any real thought. It will save all of our time in the long run so just bare with me for an hour or so. Thanks

Carlsberg

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2/7/2006 1:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mar can't we just forget about this topic for a while?,this is the third message board i've been on today that has an ongoing Humanzi debate, have to say whether you like them or not(for the record I do) you have to admit its at least interesting that they've stirred up such debate as opposed to indifference, can everyone just agree to disagree for the time being and wait for the album.. COMMENT OF 2006 AWARD

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2/7/2006 1:57 PM
I can't wait for the album now. Muslim Cartoons? You ain't seen nuttin yet.

wyldstallyn

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2/7/2006 3:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by off the post I can't wait for the album now. Muslim Cartoons? You ain't seen nuttin yet. Muslim Cartooons....what an album name

loserbrian

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2/7/2006 3:28 PM
8 pages of Humanzi debate i have to own the album now look at all this rock and roll scandel being wipped up. Seriously though fair f**king play its hard to get this lot all stewing in their panties.

crazyeyeskillah

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2/7/2006 3:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una I hope this is the last time Kurt Cobain is referenced in a post about a local Dublin band. Of course I'm suiting my own opinion, it's a message board. For the record, I don't really rate Humanzi as particularly good OR bad, I just find the discourse surrounding their very existence pretty interesting, hell, 'wild'. hi im new to this board. una - u seem like an *******. Thank you

klootfan

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2/7/2006 4:04 PM
crazyeyeskillah, first off, welcome to the board. While all comments are welcome, there is no need to decend to personal Insults.

ctrlaltdelete

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2/7/2006 6:04 PM
nice curb your enthusiasm reference tho. crazyeyeskillah is the new art vandelay. plus moderator, delete this thread please. it's been stuck in an arguement loop vortex since page 2.

Nomington

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2/8/2006 3:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard quote: Originally posted by benni quote: Originally posted by Nomington Pilchard, stop picking away at everything poor Benni has to say.. haha! Jeaysus! its ok I'm not sobbing in a corner man We just disagree and obviously my arguements are too strong... and he's too stubborn to back down.... its ok Pilchard pilchard has no problems arguing his/her own corner on these things! interesting that nomington thinks i'm "picking away" at everything benni says - what would nomington prefer, me to just make some flippant remark and leave it at that? i think its far more telling that nomington hasnt bothered to actually go through my points and offer counter views. its all just about opinions people What would Nomington prefer? Why don't you ask NOMINGTON???!!! Yeah, to my face b*tch!! Pilchard, of course I 'bothered' to go through your points, how else could I comment. I think the whole thing has just got 'picky' in general, not just from you. I'm sorry. Let's be friends eh? And Benni, I'm not a man man!!!

melvin cokane

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2/8/2006 9:37 AM
THEY ARE A ROCK BAND, NOT A BAND OF SYRIAN OUTLAWS....SO WILL Y'ALL CHILL THE F*CK OUT AND RELAX.....DONT Y'IS HAVE OTHER BANDS TO ARGUE ABOUT/JOBS/LIVES ETC...TO GET ON WITH....... PLEASE END THIS THREAD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE CHEWING NETTLES READING THE TIT FOR TAT AGRUING.....

benni

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2/8/2006 10:12 AM
I'm sorry nomington Please forgive.... i know not what i do..... please forgive me... i cant stop lovin yooooooouu............ Bryan Adams Come on!

Pilchard

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2/8/2006 10:21 AM
and i'm sorry too. Sorry for everything. Sorry like the king of sorryland on sorry day wearing a big sorry hat on top of a sorry horse humanzi must be laughing their little haircuts off at all of this.

Dromed

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2/8/2006 11:35 AM
Don't be so "small" pilchard... PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD!!!!!!!!!

Unicron

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2/8/2006 11:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard humanzi must be laughing their little haircuts off at all of this. STOP THE PRESSES Humanzi spotted in Farringtons yesterday evening seemingly not intensely discussing the fact that internet losers don't like like them. Although I left about 5 minutes after they arrived, maybe they collectively burst into tears after I finished my drink and went to see "Walk The Line" (which is OK but features great performances from the leads).

klootfan

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2/8/2006 12:19 PM
I think this thread has probably run its course, So i will Lock it. I dont think the frames even ever got an 8 page discussion.

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