Go to previous topic
Go to next topic
Last Post 11/22/2005 10:02 AM by  Dromed
meteor awards 2006
 71 Replies
Author Messages
Dromed
Advanced Member
Advanced Member
Posts:900


--
11/22/2005 10:02 AM
    http://www.mcd.ie/meteorawards/votin...php?continue=1 Best Irish DJ : PUBLIC VOTE Alison Curtis Ray D'Arcy Tom Dunne Damien Farrelly Larry Gogan Jenny Huston Best Irish Band : PUBLIC VOTE BellX1 The Chalets The Corrs Hal Turn U2 Best Irish Male : PUBLIC VOTE Joe Chester Dave Couse Damien Dempsey Tommy Fleming Christy Moore John Spillane Best Irish Female: PUBLIC VOTE Mary Black Gemma Hayes Roisin Murphy Sinead O'Connor Sharon Shannon Claire Sproule Best Irish Album: BellX1 - "Flock" Dave Couse and the Impossible - "The World Should Know" Damien Dempsey - "Shots" Frank and Walters - "Souvenirs" Turn - "Turn" U2 - "How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" Best Irish Pop Act: PUBLIC VOTE Conway Sisters Ronan Keating Brian McFadden Tabby Westlife Zoo Best International Male Beck Jamie Cullum David Gray Jack Johnson Rufus Wainwright Kayne West Best International Female Tracy Chapman Kelly Clarkson Alicia Keys Katie Melua Gwen Stefani KT Tunstall Best Folk/Trad Altan Kila Lasairfhiona Christy Moore Sharon Shannon John Spillane Best International Album Anthony and the Johnsons - "I Am A Bird Now" Coldplay - "X & Y" Depeche Mode - "Playing the Angel" Mylo - "Destroy Rock and Roll" The Arcade Fire - "Funeral" The Kaiser Chiefs - "The Kaiser Chiefs Employment" Best Live Performance: Public Vote Coldplay - Marlay Park Flaming Lips - Electric Picnic Green Day - Oxegen Elton John - RDS Scissor Sisters - Lansdowne Road U2 - Croke Park Best International Group Franz Ferdinand Gorillaz Kaiser Chiefs pu**ycat Dolls The Arcade Fire White Stripes Best Irish New Act 8 Ball Humanzi Leya Red Organ Serpent Sound The Immediate Delorentos
    Binokular
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1665


    --
    11/22/2005 10:18 AM
    Eoghans gotta sort that swear filter, I thawt I thaw a puttycat doll!
    benni
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:947


    --
    11/22/2005 10:31 AM
    Ok well just cause I'm bored and I feel like it here what I shall be voting for....If I bother. Best Irish DJ - Alison Curtis Best Irish Band (Jeaysus what a choice) - The Chalets.. only cause I HATE the others more. Best Irish Male - Joe Chester Best Irish Female - Roisin Murphy Best Irish Album - Dave Couse Best Irish Pop Act - f**k Off Best Int Male - Beck Best Int Female - Gwen Steffani Best Folk/Trad - ? Best Int Album - Arcade Fire Best Live Performance - The Flaming Lips @ Leccy Piccy (HANDS DOWN!) Best Int Group - Arcade Fire Best Irish Act - Humanzi
    Carlsberg
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:215


    --
    11/22/2005 11:21 AM
    Best Irish Pop Act!?!?? Conway Sisters - On The X Factor = How does that make a best Irish Pop Act singing Covers!? Ronan Keating - No releases in ages, why he even in contention!? Brian McFadden - WHAT!?!?! Tabby - ok starting to spot the X factor system here, maybe i underestimated his current single! Westlife - surely they should just get the award now, why wait like!? Zoo - Not been for ages but I here its really gone down hill - In fact if you combined the Monkeys on Bass, Seal on wailing, Polar(bears..arf arf..) on guitars and let the Eels keep tempo you'd probably get a better sound then all of the above!
    aidan
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:638


    --
    11/22/2005 11:49 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by benni
    Best Irish Band (Jeaysus what a choice) - The Chalets.. only cause I HATE the others more.
    - that's the spirit!!!!
    Damien
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:316


    --
    11/22/2005 1:18 PM
    Events like these are why we *need* Islamic fundamentalism. Or any sort for that matter.
    bud
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:35


    --
    11/22/2005 1:57 PM
    Is it me or does the inclusion of the Conway Sisters seriously undermine what ounce of credibility that the Meteors once held ever so slightly to!!! I mean, will they even be around in 2006! Lets hope not.
    jaypers
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:95


    --
    11/22/2005 2:05 PM
    I know its a absolute joke11 Id really like to see the boys from Humanzi take that best newcomer award all the same.
    Pilchard
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:699


    --
    11/22/2005 2:08 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by bud
    Is it me or does the inclusion of the Conway Sisters seriously undermine what ounce of credibility that the Meteors once held ever so slightly to!!! I mean, will they even be around in 2006! Lets hope not.
    which, the conways or the Meteors?? anyway, who really takes awards seriously who nominate a 2004 album release (U2) in the Album of the Year category? Or who, as benni points out, dont have any room for the Arcade Fire @ Electric Picnic? and who the hell decides these anyway? it looks like the MCD annual dinner dance to me
    Gar
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1676


    --
    11/22/2005 2:09 PM
    I quite like Humanzi but I'd vote for Delorentos to scoop the Newcomer Award
    benni
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:947


    --
    11/22/2005 2:15 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Pilchard
    quote:
    Originally posted by bud
    Is it me or does the inclusion of the Conway Sisters seriously undermine what ounce of credibility that the Meteors once held ever so slightly to!!! I mean, will they even be around in 2006! Lets hope not.
    which, the conways or the Meteors?? anyway, who really takes awards seriously who nominate a 2004 album release (U2) in the Album of the Year category? Or who, as benni points out, dont have any room for the Arcade Fire @ Electric Picnic? and who the hell decides these anyway? it looks like the MCD annual dinner dance to me
    Of course it is man Its probably the most laughed at awards show in the history of the world! Ah seriously tho... it is f**king s**te. We all know we'd all do a much better and more informed job. But what *CAN* ya do... M-O-A-N!!!!!
    jaypers
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:95


    --
    11/22/2005 2:16 PM
    Id have to disagree with you their wholeheartedly gar. Humanzi are a breath of fresh air for Dublin! They just ooze energy! Delorentos are doin their thing aswell and seem to be a really hardworkin band and fair dues to them but i think it would just be great to see a band like Humanzi given recognition like this. Its something new and fresh and original and it would be great for the Irish scene for them to scoop this gong!
    benni
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:947


    --
    11/22/2005 2:19 PM
    yea its gotta be Humanzi for me for that one just seein them perform at the TMBC a few weeks back ...compared to a lot of Irish stuff they really are in their own league in terms of performance, songs, stage presence. Yea they pretty much had that crowd nailed in seconds.
    klootfan
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:851


    --
    11/22/2005 2:21 PM
    Best Irish Album: U2 - "How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" But they won the award LAST year for this album didnt they ?? ..that just dont make sense
    Gar
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1676


    --
    11/22/2005 2:22 PM
    I do agree that Humanzi are an exciting new band, and I like them alot. Doesn't really matter who wins these awards as they don't mean much. But personally, I'd just vote for Delorentos.
    Pilchard
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:699


    --
    11/22/2005 3:06 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by klootfan
    Best Irish Album: U2 - "How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" But they won the award LAST year for this album didnt they ?? ..that just dont make sense
    nah, they didnt win it - twas Coldpl... sorry Snow Patrol http://www.meteor.ie/about/MIMA.html
    milkman
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:119


    --
    11/22/2005 3:22 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by jaypers
    Id have to disagree with you their wholeheartedly gar. Humanzi are a breath of fresh air for Dublin! They just ooze energy! Delorentos are doin their thing aswell and seem to be a really hardworkin band and fair dues to them but i think it would just be great to see a band like Humanzi given recognition like this. Its something new and fresh and original and it would be great for the Irish scene for them to scoop this gong!
    humanzi aren't original. they're great performers, and exciting to watch, but they're not original.
    Mully
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:849


    --
    11/22/2005 3:23 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Pilchard
    who really takes awards seriously who nominate a 2004 album release (U2) in the Album of the Year category?
    Thems the rules ... '... Atomic Bomb' was releeased after the closing date for last years awards, hence its nominated now. Only albums released between this date & that, are elligible. Simple. Reminds me of Mobys 'Play' album at the Brits. It was such a sleeper hit, that by the time it had seeped into every accountants collection, it was considered too old, by the rules of the competition.
    Steeplejack
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:17


    --
    11/22/2005 5:35 PM
    Like to see HUMANZI do well just because they have talent, the rest is beyond awful. Best Irish Male is like a geriatric ward on a Monday morning. SJ
    Mar
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:95


    --
    11/22/2005 6:43 PM
    The only award i'd be really interested in seeing is the new Irish act,i think im right in saying that all the other bands besides Leya are from Dublin which is unfortunately not suprising.....
    raoul
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:79


    --
    11/22/2005 7:11 PM
    Humanzi for best new Irish Act!! those boyz are going to be big!! I hope you're joking about the conway sisters nomination!!! f**king cringeworthy stuff. i have to turn away when the come on the x-factor. Themselves and Louis Walsh could easily destroy irish credibilty between them alone. We are better than this are we not??
    Una
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1721


    --
    11/22/2005 7:50 PM
    The Immediate are ten times better than any band in that category
    Daragh
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:666


    --
    11/22/2005 9:18 PM
    i'd give my vote to Delorentos. having seen both Delorentos and The Immediate live (havent heard either properly on record) i would say that Delorentos are ten times better than the Immediate, taste eh!
    Carlsberg
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:215


    --
    11/23/2005 12:30 AM
    Yup would give it to the Delorentos as well.
    Rev Jules
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1041


    --
    11/23/2005 12:31 AM
    Tabby ?????? Oh well, good to see the muscle of the tribe has shoe horned in Jack Johnson.
    ishrink
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:195


    --
    11/23/2005 10:00 AM
    What's "NEW"? Haven't some of those bands been going for years? 8ball are my favourite there. Seen Delorentos a few times and I just don't see what people seem to get so excited about. Wouldn't be surprised to see Leya walk away with it. Doesn't their manager work for MCD?
    Unicron
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1696


    --
    11/23/2005 10:36 AM
    Who cares?
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/23/2005 9:40 PM
    Humanzi are good but not original. Plus they have a good manager.
    WhoMe
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:191


    --
    11/24/2005 8:31 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee
    Humanzi are good but not original. Plus they have a good manager.
    agreed, they are fun to watch but need a bit of originality and their own identity. I always think of them as a manufactured boyband for some reason, like McFly :-) I know this isnt the case in reality though, just get that vibe off them. I would jump around at their gigs but their recordings and songs arent really that strong, Still great to see them making a name for themselves. Hopefully Channel 1 will be up for one next year
    Pilchard
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:699


    --
    11/24/2005 9:26 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee
    Humanzi are good but not original. Plus they have a good manager.
    its guy who managed The Thrills, isnt it? So they can expect to have a hugely hyped 1st album and then a second one which crashes and burns like no-ones business. i'm with WhoMe - Humanzi are the Irish McFly.
    Dromed
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:900


    --
    11/24/2005 9:34 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by WhoMe
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee
    Humanzi are good but not original. Plus they have a good manager.
    agreed, they are fun to watch but need a bit of originality and their own identity. I always think of them as a manufactured boyband for some reason, like McFly :-) I know this isnt the case in reality though, just get that vibe off them. I would jump around at their gigs but their recordings and songs arent really that strong, Still great to see them making a name for themselves. Hopefully Channel 1 will be up for one next year
    THey've released one single! I think every song they've got is a potential single and really strong. I hardly think you can put them in the same category as McFly! And since when is having a good manager a crime?
    jaypers
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:95


    --
    11/24/2005 9:57 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by milkman
    quote:
    Originally posted by jaypers
    Id have to disagree with you their wholeheartedly gar. Humanzi are a breath of fresh air for Dublin! They just ooze energy! Delorentos are doin their thing aswell and seem to be a really hardworkin band and fair dues to them but i think it would just be great to see a band like Humanzi given recognition like this. Its something new and fresh and original and it would be great for the Irish scene for them to scoop this gong!
    humanzi aren't original. they're great performers, and exciting to watch, but they're not original.
    They may noy be 100percent original but thers no one else doin what they do in Dublin!
    mannaman
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:48


    --
    11/24/2005 10:43 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by ishrink
    What's "NEW"? Haven't some of those bands been going for years? 8ball are my favourite there. Seen Delorentos a few times and I just don't see what people seem to get so excited about. Wouldn't be surprised to see Leya walk away with it. Doesn't their manager work for MCD?
    Leya's manager is Marc Marot from Terra Firma management in London - most famous as being the guy who give U2 their first UK record deal! I dont expect Leya to get it due to the Dublincentricity goin on! You have to ask the question who are capable of going on to achieve recognition further than Ireland - and Humanzi, Leya and ROSS are the only ones doing that at the mo? Humanzi are already Zane Lowe's flavour of the month - Leya also getting play on Lowe and supporting KUBB at the moment and ROSS also getting a heap of MTV2 play etc. Lets think outside the box people (or the pale at least!)
    WhoMe
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:191


    --
    11/24/2005 10:52 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by jaypers
    quote:
    Originally posted by milkman
    quote:
    Originally posted by jaypers
    Id have to disagree with you their wholeheartedly gar. Humanzi are a breath of fresh air for Dublin! They just ooze energy! Delorentos are doin their thing aswell and seem to be a really hardworkin band and fair dues to them but i think it would just be great to see a band like Humanzi given recognition like this. Its something new and fresh and original and it would be great for the Irish scene for them to scoop this gong!
    humanzi aren't original. they're great performers, and exciting to watch, but they're not original.
    They may noy be 100percent original but thers no one else doin what they do in Dublin!
    Does this sentence actually mean anything.
    bud
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:35


    --
    11/24/2005 11:03 AM
    That's a bit of a silly question when you consider does any of this mean anything? Never mind a sentence!
    Pilchard
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:699


    --
    11/24/2005 11:06 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by mannaman
    quote:
    Originally posted by ishrink
    What's "NEW"? Haven't some of those bands been going for years? 8ball are my favourite there. Seen Delorentos a few times and I just don't see what people seem to get so excited about. Wouldn't be surprised to see Leya walk away with it. Doesn't their manager work for MCD?
    Leya's manager is Marc Marot from Terra Firma management in London - most famous as being the guy who give U2 their first UK record deal! I dont expect Leya to get it due to the Dublincentricity goin on! You have to ask the question who are capable of going on to achieve recognition further than Ireland - and Humanzi, Leya and ROSS are the only ones doing that at the mo? Humanzi are already Zane Lowe's flavour of the month - Leya also getting play on Lowe and supporting KUBB at the moment and ROSS also getting a heap of MTV2 play etc. Lets think outside the box people (or the pale at least!)
    Leya's MCD connection is that they are signed (in ireland, at least) to Rubyworks, which is the label financially backed by MCD's Denis Desmond. Leya's manager Marc Marot also manages Paul Oakenfold and Lemon Jelly, so they're in good company Who are ROSS? Thats a new name on me
    WhoMe
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:191


    --
    11/24/2005 11:09 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by bud
    That's a bit of a silly question when you consider does any of this mean anything? Never mind a sentence!
    If you quoted this to someone on Acid or Shrooms their head would explode :-)
    jaypers
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:95


    --
    11/24/2005 11:27 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by WhoMe
    quote:
    Originally posted by jaypers
    quote:
    Originally posted by milkman
    quote:
    Originally posted by jaypers
    Id have to disagree with you their wholeheartedly gar. Humanzi are a breath of fresh air for Dublin! They just ooze energy! Delorentos are doin their thing aswell and seem to be a really hardworkin band and fair dues to them but i think it would just be great to see a band like Humanzi given recognition like this. Its something new and fresh and original and it would be great for the Irish scene for them to scoop this gong!
    humanzi aren't original. they're great performers, and exciting to watch, but they're not original.
    They may noy be 100percent original but thers no one else doin what they do in Dublin!
    Does this sentence actually mean anything.
    Yeh it means- They may noy be 100percent original but thers no one else doin what they do in Dublin!
    WhoMe
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:191


    --
    11/24/2005 11:31 AM
    Ok, but why single out Dublin, We are talking about music here. It just has no relevance whatsoever
    jaypers
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:95


    --
    11/24/2005 11:33 AM
    They are breath of fresh air for Ireland then. Sorry i only said Dublin but its the only place in Ireland where i getv to see live music.
    WhoMe
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:191


    --
    11/24/2005 11:42 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by jaypers
    They are breath of fresh air for Ireland then. Sorry i only said Dublin but its the only place in Ireland where i getv to see live music.
    Alright, just imagine the scenario. You hear a New band From Kerry and you think they sound unoriginal. your mate says "Wha, they sound like no other band in kerry" Does this have any relevance to your original opinion. But your right, they arent the most original band in the world and i as a Dublin gig goer too couldnt name you another band that plays dublin regulary that sound like them. I really enjoy their gigs
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/24/2005 11:46 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Dromed
    quote:
    Originally posted by WhoMe
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee
    Humanzi are good but not original. Plus they have a good manager.
    agreed, they are fun to watch but need a bit of originality and their own identity. I always think of them as a manufactured boyband for some reason, like McFly :-) I know this isnt the case in reality though, just get that vibe off them. I would jump around at their gigs but their recordings and songs arent really that strong, Still great to see them making a name for themselves. Hopefully Channel 1 will be up for one next year
    THey've released one single! I think every song they've got is a potential single and really strong. I hardly think you can put them in the same category as McFly! And since when is having a good manager a crime?
    I wasn't dissing Humanzi when I pointed out Alan Cullivan's involvement - far from it: more power to their L-bows, say I. I'm just gently suggesting that this, more than any intrinsic musical criteria, explains why it's them we're talking about in the first place and not any other potential contender. In other words, whether we like it or not, our terms of reference are being shaped to a certain extent before we even begin by industry tastemakers. Ditto Delorentos in that they've spent several years working their behinds off without anyone making the least brouhaha about them until very very recently - the reason?: sudden quantum leap in songwriting quality? Nope... the tastemakers have finally taken them under their wing, simple as that. Once again, I'm at pains to stress, we should wish them and everyone else in the current batch the best of luck - they may not be a particulary original or unique band, but they damn well deserve some eventual success for their professionalism and drive. But for goodness sake don't fall for the 'sudden spontaneous groundswell' illusion - it's neither sudden, spontaneous nor a bottom-up groundswell. The buzz of their recent Whelans gig was created 'before' the first note was played. I could go on with examples - Paddy Casey busking on Grafton St before he was picked up by Principal Management, Republic of Loose being managed by Dermot Doran, etc etc. There's nothing corrupt about any of this, but there is an element of optical illusion to the way an act 'breaks'. This is sociology not musicology. I'm not a cynic or a conspiracy theorist, I'm just saying that the process is every bit as clinical in its own way as the filtering process on Pop Idol or You're A Star. The difference here is that it's (a bit) more subtle.
    WhoMe
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:191


    --
    11/24/2005 11:50 AM
    "I'm not a cynic or a conspiracy theorist", yeah right buddy, i can read between the lines Your trying to say Humanzi shot kennedy arent ya
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/24/2005 11:53 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by WhoMe
    "I'm not a cynic or a conspiracy theorist", yeah right buddy, i can read between the lines Your trying to say Humanzi shot kennedy arent ya
    Only Robert
    Unicron
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1696


    --
    11/24/2005 2:15 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee Ditto Delorentos in that they've spent several years working their behinds off without anyone making the least brouhaha about them until very very recently - the reason?: sudden quantum leap in songwriting quality? Nope...
    On the other hand Kieran told me himself a few months ago after one of their gigs that up until the last 18 months or so they were "s**te", and a lot of their older songs have been jettisoned recently too.
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/24/2005 2:49 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Unicron
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee Ditto Delorentos in that they've spent several years working their behinds off without anyone making the least brouhaha about them until very very recently - the reason?: sudden quantum leap in songwriting quality? Nope...
    On the other hand Kieran told me himself a few months ago after one of their gigs that up until the last 18 months or so they were "s**te", and a lot of their older songs have been jettisoned recently too.
    Valid point, Unicron - and fair balls to the lads for being self-critical enough to make some improvements. Still, 18 months is hardly sudden... I guess I'm talking about the amusing scenario we've all seen: an unknown band plays a support appearance in front of an audience that couldn't care less... fast forward a few months and the SAME band is playing the SAME songs and throwing the SAME shapes, only this time their every shimmy goes down a storm. The music is a constant, other variables are in play here. Too many people refuse to give acts a chance unless they've been buzzed up by the media or the scene. Too few acts get buzzed up by the media or the scene unless they've got heavyweight backing of some sort. Doesn't mean no quality ever gets through. I just find the psychology of it all kinda interesting
    Una
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1721


    --
    11/24/2005 6:27 PM
    I like when people say about a rock band "no one else is doing what they're doing" because, it is ridiculous and I like ridiculous things
    Damien
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:316


    --
    11/24/2005 9:39 PM
    Humanzi play entire gigs on uni-motor-cycles. FACT.
    WhoMe
    Basic Member
    Basic Member
    Posts:191


    --
    11/25/2005 9:19 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Damien
    Humanzi play entire gigs on uni-motor-cycles. FACT.
    Its true, althought they disguise these uni-cycles as musical intruments. Quite clever really
    Unicron
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1696


    --
    11/25/2005 12:11 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee fast forward a few months and the SAME band is playing the SAME songs and throwing the SAME shapes, only this time their every shimmy goes down a storm. The music is a constant, other variables are in play here. Too many people refuse to give acts a chance unless they've been buzzed up by the media or the scene. Too few acts get buzzed up by the media or the scene unless they've got heavyweight backing of some sort.
    Well as far as Delorentos go (and I suppose that the point can be extrapolated to include all bands that suddenly get a buzz about them) I think it could be down to hard work on their part as well as your suggestions. They've played a lot of gigs this year, I've seen them 6 or 7 times in the past 12 months and they've never failed to impress me and I'm sure that I wasn't the only one. Surely that's the way it's suposed to work in an ideal world, you play a lot of gigs, are consistantly good and more people come to see you next time around and they drag their mates along; wash, rinse and repeat. Maybe the media is partly down to it too but not hugely, on Cluas's part we've written positive things about them in my 66e review (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/66e.htm) Gar's Live and Clear Review (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/loud_clear.htm) my review of their Crawdaddy gig (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos.htm), Daragh's HWCH (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos2.htm) and Whelan's (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos3.htm) reviews and in various gig of the fortnight's, I'd wager that we've championed them more than any other publication, online or print, in the past 12 months (about the only other mention that I can recall is John Meaghar lumping them in the "not crap" category in THAT indo piece) but I'd never argue that we were in any way responsible for 506 people showing up to see them in Whelans, they're a good band and people are recognising that fact. As to why they've seen an upsurge in their popularity in the last 12 months and getting coverage, well I can only speak for myself but the reason I never liked them before or wrote a word about them before January was that I'd never seen them before that. Even if it's someone's fulltime job to write about music unlike the hobbyists here you can't be expected to know every band that's on the scene.
    roxy
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:75


    --
    11/25/2005 12:39 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee Ditto Delorentos in that they've spent several years working their behinds off without anyone making the least brouhaha about them until very very recently - the reason?: sudden quantum leap in songwriting quality? Nope... the tastemakers have finally taken them under their wing, simple as that.
    Hmm....not entirely true. And not entirely fair I think... I hold my hand up as a major fan of the band. But I feel they HAVE improved considerably over the psat couple of years. As long as I've known them and have heard their music, (about 3 years) (and they'd been around for about 3 years prior to that too) it's never been s**te, by any means. The songwriting talent and the musical talent was always there. But their seemingly recent success can be attributed far more to their own hard HARD work, personal development, commitment, good choices, personal integrity, orgainsation ... and not forgetting a small line-up change around 2 years ago which added another songwriting angle to the package. If you've seen them live, you'll know the last point is hugely significant. I think it's unfair to presume that the tastemakers are entirely in control of making or breaking every band, and that it just comes down to a simple flight of fancy each time. Of course this CAN happen from time to time, but I'm saying it's not a given. It completely diminishes the band's own efforts which is crazy, or at least it is in this instance. In Delorentos' case, I have absolutely NO doubt that their success to date has been about 90pc influenced by the factors above, and maybe 10pc aided by luck, and a trend that's been happening of late. I think you can allow them have that 10pc. I've often heard people say "the harder you work, the luckier you become", and that's definitely the case here, or at least I really hope it does prove to be the case in the long run.
    loserbrian
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:46


    --
    11/25/2005 1:36 PM
    I think they are managed by same guys as Directors who got signed recently. Good managment always gets you more media attention cause they have the contacts. I think delerentos are great but getting On dave fanning for an independent record release doesnt just happen cause your great. That stuff takes contacts. Just like the meteors is about contacts..... You appear on Fanning, the indo, some guy on a website says your good then the herd abandons their preconseption that your s**t cause your unsigned and takes you seriously cause if you were on fanning then that means you must be good. Thats a reflection of peoples attitudes to unsigned bands not a pop at the delorentos who i think are great.
    Pilchard
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:699


    --
    11/25/2005 2:07 PM
    delorentos are managed/looked after by Hugh Murray (ex-A&R at Sony Music Ireland and UK) but that only has a small bit to do with it. The band have just improved hugely and thus, people are paying attention. they won the national student music awards in ireland and then went and won the UK one as well - a lot of cynical judges would have seen them at that and they came out trumps. of course, who manages you and does your PR and releases your records has a lot to do with your success but if the songs aint there, no amount of management and PR and record labels will put that right, Humanzi may get loads of headlines in 2006, but they'll be well forgotten by 2016. as will, unfortunately, most of todays contenders, next big things and wannabes
    loserbrian
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:46


    --
    11/25/2005 4:36 PM
    Only has a small bit to do with my ass. Yes they are good and do deserve all they get as i have said allready. The question raised in the thread is why the sudden rise in popularity. You say its mainly because of their new tunes I say its because of the great work the managment are doing. To say you cant get anywhere without songs to back up the hype is absolute bulls**t I could post a list that goes on for pages of bands who ride on hype. In this case Delorentos do have the tunes but so do many bands i have heard and the difference between them and the delorentos is managment.
    Steeplejack
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:17


    --
    11/25/2005 7:21 PM
    I definitely agree with Loserbrian on the management thing. As I mentioned in another thread PUGWASH have suffered from bad management in the past but with 1969 Records on board now things are starting to change for them. 1969 are definitely still an indie label but by the sounds of one of it's main men (who has posted on the board elsewhere)they will do all they can to pump more money into bands like PUGWASH because they know they have too, to keep up with the various management companies mentioned above. The Delorentos are big PUGWASH fans by the way. SJ
    Aurora
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:4


    --
    11/26/2005 12:33 PM
    I definitely agree that good management has a lot to do with it, but as far as I'm aware delorentos were self-managed up until quite recently. They won the irish and uk NSMA earlier this year on their own steam.
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/26/2005 3:17 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Unicron
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee fast forward a few months and the SAME band is playing the SAME songs and throwing the SAME shapes, only this time their every shimmy goes down a storm. The music is a constant, other variables are in play here. Too many people refuse to give acts a chance unless they've been buzzed up by the media or the scene. Too few acts get buzzed up by the media or the scene unless they've got heavyweight backing of some sort.
    Well as far as Delorentos go (and I suppose that the point can be extrapolated to include all bands that suddenly get a buzz about them) I think it could be down to hard work on their part as well as your suggestions. They've played a lot of gigs this year, I've seen them 6 or 7 times in the past 12 months and they've never failed to impress me and I'm sure that I wasn't the only one. Surely that's the way it's suposed to work in an ideal world, you play a lot of gigs, are consistantly good and more people come to see you next time around and they drag their mates along; wash, rinse and repeat. Maybe the media is partly down to it too but not hugely, on Cluas's part we've written positive things about them in my 66e review (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/66e.htm) Gar's Live and Clear Review (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/loud_clear.htm) my review of their Crawdaddy gig (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos.htm), Daragh's HWCH (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos2.htm) and Whelan's (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos3.htm) reviews and in various gig of the fortnight's, I'd wager that we've championed them more than any other publication, online or print, in the past 12 months (about the only other mention that I can recall is John Meaghar lumping them in the "not crap" category in THAT indo piece) but I'd never argue that we were in any way responsible for 506 people showing up to see them in Whelans, they're a good band and people are recognising that fact. As to why they've seen an upsurge in their popularity in the last 12 months and getting coverage, well I can only speak for myself but the reason I never liked them before or wrote a word about them before January was that I'd never seen them before that. Even if it's someone's fulltime job to write about music unlike the hobbyists here you can't be expected to know every band that's on the scene.
    We're probably not that much in disagreement, Unicron. But, for the heck of it, let's take your list of reviews. In the first (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/66e.htm), Delorentos are described in a mere line-and-a-half as an efficient alt-rock outfit, the best of a pretty miserable night's lot. In the second (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/loud_clear.htm), we're told that they're going "from strength to strength" - tho evidently not enough to threaten Jove's supremacy or even, for that matter, merit a mention in the review line-up headline. In the third (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos.htm), we're told of their ability to draw a "very respectable" crowd. In the fourth (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos2.htm), they show just enough "potential" to be graciously awarded 7/10, while in the fifth (http://www.cluas.com/music/gigs/delorentos3.htm), potential has magically turned into epoch-making actuality: 9/10!, "amazing"! - "from a purely scientific point of view"! Now here's my query: what role in this rising curve of critical and public enthusiasm did music have to play - compared to the role, say, of, oh I don't know, various tastemakers (such as Student Awards judges, HWCH organisers - Olympia, anyone?, management, press)? Follow-up question: how many of the 506 people who came to the Whelans gig would you say already knew their music or their live performance first-hand? Why did they all creep out of the woodwork so suddenly? Most important question: how would you compare the band you saw in your first review in January to the band that played Whelans? If they were in any way comparable in quality, I would have thought that the band which took to the stage in Whelans to support 66e were already so mind-blowingly special as to merit more than a measly 30-odd words of text. Hardly "I've seen the future, and his name is Bruce Springsteen" or Bill Graham's U2 epiphany, is it? Once again, I stress my interest here is not in the band themselves but in the sheep who need to be told who they like before going to the awful bother of liking them.
    Aurora
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:4


    --
    11/26/2005 4:20 PM
    tis an interesting debate,a kind of chicken and egg story !!word of mouth probably had a part to play , maybe the tastemakers listened too what fans were saying and finally went along to check out a gig themselfs , found them to be a talented,entertaining ,terrific live ,then decided to share the fans opinion in print .....whatcha think. Takes a lot of pressure to brake surface tension ,the change appears instant while the hard work was a constant !! Cream always rises to surface its a scientific fact .
    roxy
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:75


    --
    11/26/2005 4:33 PM
    Snifee, I can appreciate what you're saying - genuinely. But does it really have to be as sinister as you seem to be making out? It is not fairly logical that a band that are good will find themselves with an increasingly loyal following on the back of a series of good gigs? Band plays well, audience go home thinking "hrm, they're pretty good". Band annoucnes next date. Previous audience members think "hey, I'm gonna go to that and I'm going to recommend to my friend that they go too coz I think they'll really like them". Band plays well. New recruits think "hey, they ARE good, I'm really glad I went to see them". And so it continues exponentially. Is it not possible that the magic 506 who squished into Whelans recently to see them might have been an amalgamation of audiences from previous gigs? Could it be that word of the band's talent had spread and that the 506 people contained a lot of people who had never seen them before but had come along out of curiosity to check them out? Maybe it was made up partly of people who heard the band's single every night for a week on Pet Sounds a few months earlier and who felt they'd like to hear more. I think this is all perfectly natural and I don't think a band should necessarily be made to feel that they're being overhyped and that their rising popularity is being controlled by the rather disingenuous factors that you're referring to. I'm all for a nice bit of cynicism when it's called-for, , but I don't really think your cynicism is necessarily well-placed with regard to Delorentos. But as I said, I'm not having a go at your argument - I think it's highly valid in its own way, but just not in this instance. But sure, live and let live.
    roxy
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:75


    --
    11/26/2005 4:37 PM
    And what Aurora said about management is right - they were self-managed until quite recently so it would be unfair to imply that they were "rescued" by a slick manager with a little black book. They got to where they are thanks to their own hard graft and savvy, so, y'know, credit where it's due.
    Pilchard
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:699


    --
    11/26/2005 4:48 PM
    maybe what we can we expect from now on are loads of irish "firework" bands! http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1472110,00.html not, of course, that delorentos have just arrived overnight or anything, but remember to those who dont follow form like cluas-ers, it will appear to be an overnight thing sniffee's mail above is v good because it does recognise that talent in itself is not enough to make this kind of splash, it may attract industry attention but it is the industry attention coupled with the talent that makes the splash roxy said the band were self-managed until recently - if they were still self-managed, they could still have got this level of attention but i doubt it. talent is just 5 percent of the equation, whether u like it or not, the rest is down to luck, contacts and context. i may be wrong but i dont think u can point in the direction of any irish band who have been able to make a decent splash for themselves without the help of industry contacts. its how this industry works, people.
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/26/2005 4:54 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by roxy
    Snifee, I can appreciate what you're saying - genuinely. But does it really have to be as sinister as you seem to be making out? It is not fairly logical that a band that are good will find themselves with an increasingly loyal following on the back of a series of good gigs? Band plays well, audience go home thinking "hrm, they're pretty good". Band annoucnes next date. Previous audience members think "hey, I'm gonna go to that and I'm going to recommend to my friend that they go too coz I think they'll really like them". Band plays well. New recruits think "hey, they ARE good, I'm really glad I went to see them". And so it continues exponentially. Is it not possible that the magic 506 who squished into Whelans recently to see them might have been an amalgamation of audiences from previous gigs? Could it be that word of the band's talent had spread and that the 506 people contained a lot of people who had never seen them before but had come along out of curiosity to check them out? Maybe it was made up partly of people who heard the band's single every night for a week on Pet Sounds a few months earlier and who felt they'd like to hear more. I think this is all perfectly natural and I don't think a band should necessarily be made to feel that they're being overhyped and that their rising popularity is being controlled by the rather disingenuous factors that you're referring to. I'm all for a nice bit of cynicism when it's called-for, , but I don't really think your cynicism is necessarily well-placed with regard to Delorentos. But as I said, I'm not having a go at your argument - I think it's highly valid in its own way, but just not in this instance. But sure, live and let live.
    Roxy, I'm loath to disagree with you, as you're one of the very few who have genuinely championed these guys - and not just these guys -all down the line. To (begin to) answer your points (got a footie match to dash off to in a min...), There's nothing 'sinister' going on at all - I'm simply analysing the way the thing seems to work - our tastes are 'educated' in various ways. A bit like in politics - even before the electorate gets to vote, the party machine has to kick in in favour of one candidate over many others. *I kicked off the discussion about tastemakers because of Humanzi more than Delorentos - Humanzi would not be given the time of day were it not for their management. You know that, I know that. Same with Republic of Loose, to name just one more. *Delorentos is more complex, I'll grant you. In singling them out, I'm just asking the question - why them and not 25 other Dublin bands who have impressed people at gigs? Which is not to say they're not a good band - or that their personal integrity is not absolutely established - they have a terrific reputation on the scene as nice and honest guys. (& Aurora, I'm sure you can vouch for that.) But I know of plenty good bands made up of decent people who have worked their behinds off, received loud cheers at gigs, made good demo's/singles, etc. etc. There's something else in play here that is giving Delorentos an edge, and I'm sorry but I don't believe it's music. *Let's look at this from another angle, Roxy. Let's play a game. Could I invite you (or anyone else who's eavesdropping) to make a prediction NOW, on the basis of pure musical talent and star quality, by naming three unsigned Irish acts who you reckon will make it big in the near future? I guess hindsight makes me suspicious...
    Aurora
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:4


    --
    11/26/2005 7:43 PM
    It must just be *star* quality then!
    Unicron
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1696


    --
    11/26/2005 7:46 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee
    how would you compare the band you saw in your first review in January to the band that played Whelans? If they were in any way comparable in quality, I would have thought that the band which took to the stage in Whelans to support 66e were already so mind-blowingly special as to merit more than a measly 30-odd words of text. Hardly "I've seen the future, and his name is Bruce Springsteen" or Bill Graham's U2 epiphany, is it?
    As far as I'm concerned they're a better band now then they were back in January, much more self assured on stage but not by much. By the way I've never described them as mind blowingly special, they're a very good band and better than a lot of bands on MTV2 but change the world they will not. As to why I only gave them 30 odd words for the first review, well we've got a character limit on the reviews which I exceeded on my first draft and I needed to cut stuff out. I was there after all to review 66e, not Delorentos so the coverage of the support acts was the first to suffer. And with all due respect I think you're somewhat picking and choosing to support your argument as well, the Crawdaddy review does not merely credit them with drawing a respectable crowd (that line was written in the context of the gig being on the same night that U2 were playing) but calls them "one of the best unsigned bands in the country".
    Aurora
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:4


    --
    11/26/2005 11:35 PM
    Sniffee,in consideration of the points you have raised some of which are very good ....but, you also seem to have taken a position of putting your own particuler spin on the reviews as they were reported , this could be conscrued as attempting to lead the views of others which is what you are suggesting the tastemasters are doing ?( might even be considered sour grapes !! ) not that I am suggesting that this is what you are expressing > I agree that there are a lot of great bands out their ( at leat 119 in the HWCH )and probably a whole more that did not make it into that particuler festival . Hard work meeting oppertunity has been offered as a defination of luck, Delorentos have definetly worked hard, looks like oppertunity has arrived !
    Unicron
    Veteran Member
    Veteran Member
    Posts:1696


    --
    11/27/2005 1:28 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Aurora
    > I agree that there are a lot of great bands out their ( at leat 119 in the HWCH )
    Methinks you're beig a bit generous there, if there was 20 bands approaching good at HWCH they'd be doing well.
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/27/2005 5:11 PM
    I gotta repeat myself here, cos people are still missing my point. I'm not criticising Delorentos AT ALL. They're a good band who deserve any success coming their way. They have humility and common sense in spades - ironically enough, two precious assets for long-term rock stardom. I detest begrudgery of any sort, particularly when it comes in its Irish strain. May they be signed. May they become one of those rare bands who get noticed for having a certain 'now' sound but go on to grow into their own individual sound. May they break out of Ireland and have a real impact on the international scene over several years. May they look back on the long years of slog and say "We fcuking DID it!" My critical point related to the role of tastemakers, not musicmakers. To take the heat out of the discussion, let's take an analogy - the Booker Prize for literary fiction. John Banville writes a book called The Sea. A few copies trickle out of bookshops. A small panel of judges awards it a prize. The SAME book suddenly becomes flavour of the month with the book-buying public. If you reply that, well, John Banville works hard and deserves the break and the novel is really very well written, I'll politely reply that I agree but that you are missing my point: which is that *a numerically tiny number of tastemakers has, for good or for ill, just determined the taste of a numberically large number of people*, who judge a book not by its cover but by the 'WINNER OF MAN BOOKER PRIZE' sticker on its cover. Having worked in the music industry both in the UK and here for over eight years, I've seen this phenomenon played out many times. The Guardian article which Pilchard points to gives a brilliant analysis of this - a band is ordained, the herd follows. It is a dangerous dangerous process, because what the tastemaker giveth, the tastemaker can take away. Witness Terris. This can also wreck the head of a good band trying to break through but getting nowhere - what are we doing wrong?? are we jinxed?? why are doors not opening?? should we speed up our choruses?? No, chances are the reason you're stuck is that the tastemakers haven't taken you under their wing (yet...) Don't assume it's anything intrinsically to do with you. Meteors New Irish Band? I'm for The Immediate, with Delorentos in second place. Pax?
    roxy
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:75


    --
    11/27/2005 10:49 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee
    Meteors New Irish Band? I'm for The Immediate, with Delorentos in second place. Pax?
    Well, like, who really uses the Meteors as any sort of yardstick? The band that wins the Best New Irish Act will not necessarily be the next band to break out of Ireland. In a nutshell, the Meteors mean very little. Anyone know off hand who even won in the same category last year? Nope, neither can I, and I know that I would've been paying as much attention to last year's awards as this year's. Music awards are an incredibly fleeting achievement in my mind.
    Sniffee
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:28


    --
    11/27/2005 10:54 PM
    quote:
    Originally posted by roxy
    quote:
    Originally posted by Sniffee
    Meteors New Irish Band? I'm for The Immediate, with Delorentos in second place. Pax?
    Well, like, who really uses the Meteors as any sort of yardstick? The band that wins the Best New Irish Act will not necessarily be the next band to break out of Ireland. In a nutshell, the Meteors mean very little. Anyone know off hand who even won in the same category last year? Nope, neither can I, and I know that I would've been paying as much attention to last year's awards as this year's. Music awards are an incredibly fleeting achievement in my mind.
    Ah jeez, Roxy, I was just tryin' to be nice. Come to think of it, didn't Republic of Loose win Best Hope last year? Q.E. bloody D.
    mattso
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:39


    --
    11/28/2005 1:35 AM
    was it not Angels Of Mons?? ...sorry, im not giving the awards any more credabilty here, am i?
    Pilchard
    Advanced Member
    Advanced Member
    Posts:699


    --
    11/28/2005 9:02 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by mattso
    was it not Angels Of Mons?? ...sorry, im not giving the awards any more credabilty here, am i?
    the problem with the meteors is transparency. the public vote is hugely abused. a band with loads of cousins and friends and fans can get them to text like billy-o and thus push them up the rankings. and no-one knows who decides on the winners in other categories - has there ever been a full list of the judges? look at something like the Mercurys. The judges names are published when the nominations are published. its really upfront, nothing hidden. leaving aside the basic question do we need awards (and i dont really think we do), the mercurys at least are open about who's involved. you dont get bands winning just cos they're either (a) at the event or (b) happen to be promoted by the same company who promote the awards. just sayin'....
    roxy
    New Member
    New Member
    Posts:75


    --
    11/28/2005 11:09 AM
    quote:
    Originally posted by mattso
    was it not Angels Of Mons?? ...sorry, im not giving the awards any more credabilty here, am i?
    Actually, I think it was Angels of Mons indeed. I remember coz Delorentos then went on to beat them a few nights later in the NSMAs. Heh. Actually, Sniffee, I'm wondering do I know you? Have I ever come across you outside Cluas, or vice versa, or indeed...both?


    ---