Una Veteran Member Posts:1721  
| 8/24/2005 10:57 PM |
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Come on then, what are yiz going to see.
me first, me first. Some of these hopefully:
The Bleedin Bleedins
Chuzzle
Eskimo Convention
Messiah J and the Expert
8Ball
Mainline
Niall James Holohan
Rulers of the Planet
The Mighty Stef
Neosupervital
Leya
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 8/25/2005 12:20 AM |
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If I can make it to over ten acts I'll be happy. But I'll aim for these:
(Friday)
Jenny Lindfors
Bill Coleman
The Rags
The Radio
Fred
Celest
The Mighty Stef
(Saturday)
Dirt Blue Gene
Dark Room Notes
Joe Chester
The Walls
The Rotators
The Chapters
Pony Club
(Sunday)
The Shakes
Corona
The Urges
The Guggenheim Grotto
The Amazing Pilots
Chuzzle
Mono Band
- Whether or not I make it to all of those is another thread altogether
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benni Advanced Member Posts:947
| 8/25/2005 8:43 AM |
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Main ones for me -
Dark Room Notes, Betamax Format, Neosupervital, The Things, The Might Stef
and whatever else I manage to float along to.
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klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
| 8/25/2005 9:24 AM |
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Cant make HWCH myself due to other commitments,
but apparently the Mighty Stef and Neosupervital are supporting the republic of loose tonight, which i am heading to.
Sold out apparently
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 8/25/2005 9:49 AM |
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Oh yea - I'd go (only for the support bands mind) but I is of to see
the wonderfully crude and immature Adam Green in Whelans!!!!
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/25/2005 10:16 AM |
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havent had much time to look into it, but gonna try n see Delorentos, The Mighty Stef, The Chapters and The Urges.
Might go see the bleedin bleedins, if theres no clashes, just cos Una's always on about them.
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/25/2005 10:41 AM |
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oh does anyone know what the craic is with getting tickets, can you just do it at the door, or do you have to go to ticketmaster etc?
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 8/25/2005 10:50 AM |
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Originally posted by Daragh
oh does anyone know what the craic is with getting tickets, can you just do it at the door, or do you have to go to ticketmaster etc?
From www.hwch.net
TICKETS WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE OVER THE WEEKEND OF THE FESTIVAL from FilmBase (HWCH HQ), Curved Street, Temple Bar, Dublin 2. FilmBase is directly opposite Temple Bar Music Centre.
EUR28 incl booking fee (telephone and internet books subject to 12.5% over EUR25 – Agents EUR2 per ticket) All tickets must be exchanged at HWCH HQ, Filmbase, Curved Street, Temple Bar.
* Please remember that on the day(s) of the event you must swap the ticket(s) you get from Ticketmaster for HWCH wristbands, which we'll provide you with to gain access to the event. Check back here later for more information on where to pick up these wristbands on the weekend. |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/25/2005 10:53 AM |
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cheers, should really have checked that site myself! never even thought of it though, tis early yet.
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mutch Basic Member Posts:392
| 8/25/2005 12:02 PM |
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Got this from CPU, fair play to Stone Ocean, well worth checking out.
" CPU has learned that 3 acts on CPU have gotten together and organised a gig in Temple Bar Square in the open air at 4.00 on Saturday the 27th of August. Those clever lads in StoneOcean spotted that right smack in the middle of The Hard Working Class Heroes festival that the Square was not booked up and went ahead and organised their own mini festival with-in a festival so to speak. With Temple Bar about to be swamped with music lovers for Irelands answer to In The City, attendance for this ingenius piece of self promotion is bound to be big. First up is The Zenotones at 4.00 and followed by Kopek at 4.30 . StoneOceans set begins at 5.15pm and to top the day off StoneOcean and Kopek will then play from 9pm till 12pm in The Mezz.
These lads wont take no for an answer it seems."
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kierryBasic Member Posts:244
| 8/25/2005 12:06 PM |
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well, una does manage the bleedin' bleedin's, so y'know she would be always on about them.
good lineup in the olympia on friday, will flit betweenthere and the TBMC.
saturday looks ok, i'm just going to float about i guess.
sunday, i have no interest and will probably skip. (if anyone wants my wristband - you're welcome to it)
at no point all weekend do i have any desire to see anyone in pravda. *shudder*
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 8/25/2005 12:16 PM |
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hehe, didnt know Una managed them, it all makes sense now though...!
the Urges are worth checking out if you havent already, they play the music centre on sunday, (i do their website though, so ya can take that with a grain of salt if you want!)
yeah never been to a gig in pravda, was pretty surprised when i heard they had started doing them. Seems like a weird spot
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DamienBasic Member Posts:316
| 8/25/2005 12:49 PM |
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The Mighty Stef
Stars of the City
Dark Room Notes
Fred
Zealots
Off the top of my head
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/25/2005 2:31 PM |
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Originally posted by kierry
well, una does manage the bleedin' bleedin's, so y'know she would be always on about them.
that makes sense - was always wondering why she was plugging them. dreadful band. sorry una! |
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 8/25/2005 2:33 PM |
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ditto! (sorry)
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Miss Vaughan New Member Posts:10
| 8/25/2005 3:27 PM |
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Pravda is actually pretty amazing for live music. It really works and there's good guys running it now. Check out King Kong on Wednesday nights.
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mutchBasic Member Posts:392
| 8/25/2005 4:40 PM |
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its very good for acoustic acts, and not bad for bands, not perfect for bands, but as any contributor to this site probably knows, theres not alot of perfection around Dublin's venues!:)
the tiger beer is nice though! AND the last time i was there the barlady(person, whatever, pc and all that nonsense) actually made a point to get me a cold one from the fridge instead of the usual fifo method (first in first out for you nerds who dont know about accounting!)
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MrGreenNew Member Posts:20
| 8/25/2005 6:04 PM |
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Great wknd in store,here's my wishlist,time permitting ofcourse
FRIDAY
Polar
The Rags
Mainline
Idlewild
The Mighty Stef
SATURDAY
ITO
Dry Country
Exit : Persued by a bear (pure interest)
Panda Kopanda
Mundy
Stagger Lee
Betamax Format
SUNDAY
The Shakes
Andalusia
The Urges
Chuzzle
Haven't seen alot of these acts so am well up for getting about and checking them out.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/25/2005 8:38 PM |
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Don't manage them - just do their European press.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/26/2005 9:45 AM |
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Originally posted by Una
Don't manage them - just do their European press.
jeeez thats worse!! have u ever heard of "conflict of interest"? does your editor in the event guide know that? |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/27/2005 10:36 AM |
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yep.
sue me.
I don't get paid for it, I do it because I think they're a really good band, and as they are based in the States (where I met them first) I volunteered to give them a hand over here. I don't feel guilty about it because I'm doing it because of their quality, and I'm not getting buckets of cash (or any) to push them.
Many of the unsigned bands I choose to interview or mention I do so because I think they're good and deserve it and I actually bother to take an interest in their music and gigs - unlike many music journos who don't even f**king go out, and I feel proud that I've given some people a platform that otherwise would have been ignored. Would it be better if I took my cues from record company press releases?
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CarlsbergBasic Member Posts:215
| 8/27/2005 12:20 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
yep.
sue me.
I don't get paid for it, I do it because I think they're a really good band, and as they are based in the States (where I met them first) I volunteered to give them a hand over here. I don't feel guilty about it because I'm doing it because of their quality, and I'm not getting buckets of cash (or any) to push them.
Many of the unsigned bands I choose to interview or mention I do so because I think they're good and deserve it and I actually bother to take an interest in their music and gigs - unlike many music journos who don't even f**king go out, and I feel proud that I've given some people a platform that otherwise would have been ignored. Would it be better if I took my cues from record company press releases?
Well spoken reply. I don't see a problem with someone speaking up for an act providing they are clear about who they are. Una has never indicated she managed them either. Must check out this band of yours Una but any chance they might change the name?  |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/27/2005 12:45 PM |
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not until Jove change there's first : )
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/28/2005 2:38 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
yep.
sue me.
I don't get paid for it, I do it because I think they're a really good band, and as they are based in the States (where I met them first) I volunteered to give them a hand over here. I don't feel guilty about it because I'm doing it because of their quality, and I'm not getting buckets of cash (or any) to push them.
Many of the unsigned bands I choose to interview or mention I do so because I think they're good and deserve it and I actually bother to take an interest in their music and gigs - unlike many music journos who don't even f**king go out, and I feel proud that I've given some people a platform that otherwise would have been ignored. Would it be better if I took my cues from record company press releases?
If you read other threads on Cluas, especially about music journalists, you will see that we all expect certain things from people who review music in print or web. We expect them to be passionate, informative, knowledgable, entertaining and to stand over what they say
We also expect them to be unbiased.
Una, your reply is breathtaking in its audacity, arrogance and stupidity. Going on what you say, you really dont see any problem in the fact that you write about bands AND see yourself as the "unpaid" press officer for other acts.
I dont know who is ripping off who there. if something similar was going on with more high profile hacks, we here at Cluas would tear them to pieces. how do we know that you're not bigging up some act because youre plugging them or a member of their "street team"? its called trolling and its the reason why internet bulletin boards (with a few exceptions, including cluas up to now) are so unreliable.
As for "unlike many music journos who dont go to gigs", who exactly would they be? Care to name names and we can check up on them? I didnt know that music hacks had to go to gigs to review CDs, but there u go.....
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 8/29/2005 11:30 AM |
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In Una's defence she's mentioned the band on this board a couple of times but as far as I'm aware she's never written a piece on them (can't definitively say about elsewhere but Cluas has never featured a single article on The Bleedin' Bleedins or whatever they're called by anyone).
For my own part I've featured bands in the gig guide that have members that I know and am reasonably friendly with but am not friends with (Dublin's a small town.) although I must say that I'm a bit wary of doing it sometimes (in fact there are people who I would have featured more prominently and more often in the past but haven't due to how well I know them). Obviously it's a bit different as I'm not doing a job of work for these people (paid or unpaid) but I'm comfortable that my "journalistic integrity" is intact.
Basically, I'm just saying that I think it's possible to wear 2 hats but you have to be careful about it.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/29/2005 12:12 PM |
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unicron, point taken. but u are not representing those bands. u are not managing them or doing their irish press or doing their european press or doing their sound for them, ireland is a small place so chances are u will bump into them and have a drink with them and chat. once u can write constructively and critically about them, theres not a problem.
the problem happens when u represent someone and then try to write about them. thats a no-no. inevitably, as what happened herem, u do get found out and everything u have said about that band (and everyone else), is looked at in a different light. i'd trust a recommendation from unicron but not from una
it really is not possible to wear two hats because it looks damn silly,
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/29/2005 4:15 PM |
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Pilchard, I think you're over reacting, and it's a bit harsh to call me arogant and stupid, but whatever. I am not 'an unpaid press officer for other acts' I work with one band who aren't based in Ireland, so when they do come over here, I try to set up interviews, radio sessions, instores.
The only time they have been interviewed in the Event Guide was last year when they were travelling to Dublin to play. I met them in the States, and interview not set up by me, and that was the first time I ever met them. They were mentioned as a highlight of the festival based on people that I had spoken to (the organisers mainly) about who they were looking forward to most.
I'm not a memeber of any 'street team', I don't know what you're talking about. Nobody is unbiased, but I try as hard as I can to be. And I'm certainly not apologising for reactions of others.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/29/2005 4:49 PM |
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una, i probably owe u an apology for the tone of my remarks, especially if they were offensive.
However, the main issue does stand - it is NOT possible to be both gamekeeper and poacher. you either write objectively and from an independent stance about music or you promote/publicise the bands in question. it can't - and doesnt - work both ways. some people try it on and its why many music fans are very wary of recommendations/reviews.
this issue also points up some of the problems of Internet boards, blogs etc. many internet users despise conventional media and do their utmost to pick holes in their arguments or point out inconsistencies and conflicts of interest. however the same strict standards applied to conventional media should also be applied to internet writers. the same balances and checks. the same need for unbiased, untainted recommendations. after all, we are dealing with people who use pseudyonms to a large degree - i mean i'm called pilchard, i could be Ollie from Turn or head-the-ball from jj72 for all anyone knows (even though i think i'm far more dashing and articulate than either of them). its worth bearing in mind in the future!
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karlvinNew Member Posts:97
| 8/29/2005 5:01 PM |
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I've only heard a couple of tracks by the bleedin bleedins and I thought they were good , really liked the guys voice , even if the music wasn't my cup of cha
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/29/2005 7:49 PM |
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i don't write about the Bleedin Bleedins from an unobjective point of view, in fact I don't write about them anywhere, only when called upon by a source other than myself - editor, promoter etc, so your reaction is kind of baseless. It's not as if I'm MR Blast setting up a magazine to push artists, or writing single reviews for HMV flyers or something
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/30/2005 9:03 AM |
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Originally posted by Una
in fact I don't write about them anywhere, only when called upon by a source other than myself - editor, promoter etc, so your reaction is kind of baseless.
actually my reaction is even more justified now!! if an editor asks you to write about a band, do you tell him/her that you do their press? if not, why not? if you tell them this, do they still go ahead and ask u to write about them? if thats the case, there should be a declaration alerting readers to what's going on.
we get high and mighty when we find out that hacks are compromised so music hacks should also be subject to the same standards. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/30/2005 5:10 PM |
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Pilchard - if you had read my post properly you would have realised that the interview i did with the Bleedin Bleedins was before I even knew them personally.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/30/2005 5:39 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
i don't write about the Bleedin Bleedins from an unobjective point of view, in fact I don't write about them anywhere, only when called upon by a source other than myself - editor, promoter etc, so your reaction is kind of baseless. It's not as if I'm MR Blast setting up a magazine to push artists, or writing single reviews for HMV flyers or something
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Originally posted by Una
Pilchard - if you had read my post properly you would have realised that the interview i did with the Bleedin Bleedins was before I even knew them personally.
Una, where does it say that in your post?? It doesnt - hence the confusion and hence the reason why wearing two hats (ie journalist and PR) is not to be recommended
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 8/30/2005 6:04 PM |
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I have just happened on this discussion between Una and Pilchard regarding the Bleedin' Bleedins which was triggered by her making a recommendation to see them at HWCH (Posted - 24 Aug 2005 : 22:57:10)
and kierry then commenting that she managed them (Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 12:06:41). And then it went off when Pilchard remarked that he was always wondering why she was plugging them (Posted - 25 Aug 2005 : 14:31:07).
Let me just make the following general point.
If you, as a contributor to Cluas, have a professional interest in a band (ie: you do work with them, whether they pay you or not) and you don't disclose that when you post or write on Cluas and you subsequently get called on it, then that is your own look out since readers of the site reasonably expect that the opinion being articulated is based on a personal preference for the music or artist and not on a 'working' relationship.
Should you be found out, a simple apology is the best remedy.  |
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kierryBasic Member Posts:244
| 8/30/2005 7:22 PM |
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oops...
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/30/2005 9:00 PM |
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what if I like the music and also help out with the band? answers on a beer mat...
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/30/2005 9:51 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
what if I like the music and also help out with the band? answers on a beer mat...
i'm down with Rev Jules on this. he's right. he's always right, if u are caught, come out with your hands up and a smile on your face.
if u like the music and help the band by making a nice cup of tea or baking them a cake or letting them use your washing machine to do their laundry and also write about them, that's OK
if u like the music and "do European press" and also write about them, that's not OK. Never is, never will be.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/30/2005 10:29 PM |
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Pilchard, I can slightly see your point of view, despite the feeling I maintain that there is absolutely feck all ill with what I'm doing, or not doing, or whatever. I feel strongly about journalistic integrity, and I'm sure you do.
I help the Bleedin Bleedins for no money to get interviews in Ireland when they come over here. Because they are based in the States, it is hard for them to do so. I also think they are and AWESOME band, and recommend them as highly as I can to anyone who'll listen. And, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
It would be impossible for me, in an industry so small, to operate in a manner which would involve ignoring any band I know to preserve some kind of journalistic distance. As a music journalists, you become friends with many musicians, promoters, industry heads. For me, and for most people with integrity, this has absolutely no affect on how I work as a journalist. A conflict of interest only exists if you create one by distorting truth. This is something I have not done by recommending a band, in this case, the Bleedins, as I think their music rocks.
For the record, in the past (and I'm sure many music journalists have experienced this) I have been 'blacklisted' by promoters, bitched about, even to the extreme of being sent 'hate' messages, for preserving that integrity, by not compromising the truth with any relationships I have with people in the industry. Most people experience this - well, those who write with honesty.
I think it's quite comical for me to have been attacked on the board for recommending a band that I am a fan of, merely because I have an absolutely informal relationship with them to help them out with press when they tour out of the States, because they don't know that territory.
If another band that seemed to be hard working and had good tunes emailed me from the States, for example and said - 'Hey, we're touring Ireland soon, what do you think would be the best way to get some press ahead of our shows' I would email them a list of publications and contacts, obviously, because that's just helping ou some good people. Nobody is taking advantage of anybody.
If you really want to get wound up about conflicts of interest, then take a look at the most influential music press here, who are so f**king corupt, it makes me sick, and the fact is, bands that are hard working and that people like me or you might want to help out would never get a look in in those publications, if they didn't hand over a couple of thou in advertising revenue. That's the truth. So, am I the bad guy?
And please, REALISE "if u like the music and "do European press" and also write about them, that's not OK. Never is, never will be." I was asked to interview the Bleedin Bleedins before I knew who they were! How many times do I have to say that?
I know you might want to see me as some f**ker who loves cheap plugs and is vindictive and irresponsible with integrity, but that aint me. It could be, but it isn't. That's why a lot of promoters don't like my methods, and a lot of bands, believe it or not, do.
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 8/30/2005 11:34 PM |
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while this has absolutely feck all to do with me, i just can't resist arguments like this... 
cúpla pointe.
1. having a 'professional' interest in a band, without being paid for it, is impossible. semantic but true.
2. at what point did úna's praise of this bleedin band become invalid? if she doesn't benefit in any way from helping them out occasionally, then she has no vested interest in their success or otherwise. so where is the conflict of interest?
if it's simply a matter of having some non-music-related contact with or opinion of the people in the band, then what about, for example, the much-lauded john meagher, who describes glen hansard as: "a man who most local critics agree is a pain in the posterior." surely his opinion of hansard the man will colour his view of hansard the musician? isn't that bias?
3. accusing someone of having an ulterior motive in what they do or say is a serious thing to do, especially because of the nature of message boards. as has been said, online identities are created over a period of time. they are also easily damaged, since we know nothing of the person behind the handle apart from what they post. so it's best to proceed with caution when making accusations like this. at least pilchard has the decency to stand over his comments, and both pilchard and úna seem like intelligent, fair-minded people so i'm sure that this will get sorted out.
4. úna - given my - colourful - cluas.com history, i hope my comments don't stir up even more s**t for ya, i'm only trying to help, honest! not that i'm being paid or in any way recompensed for doing so i hasten to add, for the benefit of the bias po-lice... |
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CarlsbergBasic Member Posts:215
| 8/31/2005 1:12 AM |
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I think now would be a really good time to call time on this debate as the words "circles" and "dead ends" come to mind.
I think this has been blown out of all proportion and to a certain degree Una has been jumped on far in excess of what needed to be done.
Ultimately, she has always been frank and up front about her admiration for the Bleedins. She has never at any stage forced this band on anyone in here other then a hearty recommendation that they are a good act and should be seen when you have the chance. I have not seen them so cant comment on that which is insignificant in this debate.
I dont think the words "being caught" really apply here as I personally dont believe it was done in a sneaky way.
Finally, as a member of Cluas with over 580 posts, I think benefit of doubt should be given to a respected member and the matter dropped. Go and see the band and make your own minds up and now you all know that Una is an admirer of the Bleedins and does some Euro press for them. Get over it.
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 8/31/2005 8:52 AM |
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My 2 cents ...
Una, if you have an influence/contact with the band, get them to change their name ... its worse than 'Ham Sandwich'.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/31/2005 9:17 AM |
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Originally posted by Una
If you really want to get wound up about conflicts of interest, then take a look at the most influential music press here, who are so f**king corupt, it makes me sick, and the fact is, bands that are hard working and that people like me or you might want to help out would never get a look in in those publications, if they didn't hand over a couple of thou in advertising revenue. That's the truth. So, am I the bad guy?
no, of course u are not the "bad" guy. this is not a good or a bad situation, merely one which points out several things about how you validate information u receive on the internet and the use of boards like Cluas by street teams to hype acts (not that i'm accusing u of this).
there is a HUGE difference between recommending a band (ie I saw Celest at the weekend and they were BRILLIANT) and doing their European press, especially when u are also a music writer. as someone pointed out, u build your reputation here by the quantity and quality of your posts and by being caught in this way (and IT Is been caught - otherwise una would have declared an interest at the outset), you not only invalidate your case but you also cast questions over other recommendations u make.
carlsberg questions the use of the term "being caught" - why? this is what has happened. una recommended a band. kierry pointed out that una managed said band. una then said no, she did their european press. and i jumped in. its called a debate. there has been give and take on both sides. no-one has lost an eye.
jmc105 asks at what point did una's recommendation cross the line. unfortunately, it crossed the line when she was found to have a business relationship (non-paying maybe, but a business relationship nonetheless) with the act in question. This is the kind of thing internet folk jump all over offline media for and we should apply our own high standards here as well.
yes i am sure there are many hacks who have agendas based on cronyism and friendships but i never take any notice of what they say. a long life spent reading the music press has taught me that when, say, Alan Corr starts talking about Blink or George Byrne about The Thrills, that it has more to do with pints of ale than musical smarts.
i'm curious as to the "corrupt" journalists that Una is talking about and would welcome some examples.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/31/2005 10:05 AM |
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for 'corruption', see hotpress
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/31/2005 10:09 AM |
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Originally posted by Una
for 'corruption', see hotpress
examples please
also can i assume that u are not going to comment on any of the other above points? if you are not to going to, can we can draw this debate to a close?
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/31/2005 10:24 AM |
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I'm not going to get into a never ending debate about that publication, but really, anybody who knows anything about our music press knows the policy of payment for column space, bias, buying covers, reviews etc.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/31/2005 10:40 AM |
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Originally posted by Una
I'm not going to get into a never ending debate about that publication, but really, anybody who knows anything about our music press knows the policy of payment for column space, bias, buying covers, reviews etc.
I'm certainly not going to start a debate about that publication!
Just one simple question which you did not answer when I asked it before so I am going to ask it again.
Are you going to respond to any of the points raised in my last post about your relationship with the band you do European press for? Dont change the subject!
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 8/31/2005 10:48 AM |
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Hey Una - good to meet you the other night at the Hub.
I do have a point to make... but does the fact that I met Una once
and therefore establish an informal relationship mean I have a
conflict of interest? :-P
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DamienBasic Member Posts:316
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 8/31/2005 11:39 AM |
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Originally posted by Mully
My 2 cents ...
Una, if you have an influence/contact with the band, get them to change their name ... its worse than 'Ham Sandwich'.
"Hello, we are The Be Sharps."
I'll admit to knowing a couple of guys in that band ( seeing as declaring potential confilcts of interest is so important :P ) but I find something endearing in the s**tness of their name.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 8/31/2005 11:46 AM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
Just one simple question which you did not answer when I asked it before so I am going to ask it again.
This story was posted here ages ago by someone and I hope I've got the details right but I understand that when the Saucy Monkey album came out the reviewer that it was assigned to wrote a pretty scathing piece on it. The label got wind of this and had a word in Stokes' ear about them taking out future advertising in the rag. Lo and behold another review was written by someone who had a "more favourable" opinion of the record. Guess which one was published? |
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/31/2005 11:51 AM |
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Originally posted by Unicron
quote:
Originally posted by Pilchard
Just one simple question which you did not answer when I asked it before so I am going to ask it again.
This story was posted here ages ago by someone and I hope I've got the details right but I understand that when the Saucy Monkey album came out the reviewer that it was assigned to wrote a pretty scathing piece on it. The label got wind of this and had a word in Stokes' ear about them taking out future advertising in the rag. Lo and behold another review was written by someone who had a "more favourable" opinion of the record. Guess which one was published?
unicron -
my question had nothing to do with Hot Press but with how Una is dodging points raised about her involvment with a band she's plugging here AND writing about by bringing up HP!
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 8/31/2005 11:58 AM |
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Originally posted by Unicron
quote:
Originally posted by Pilchard
Just one simple question which you did not answer when I asked it before so I am going to ask it again.
This story was posted here ages ago by someone and I hope I've got the details right but I understand that when the Saucy Monkey album came out the reviewer that it was assigned to wrote a pretty scathing piece on it. The label got wind of this and had a word in Stokes' ear about them taking out future advertising in the rag. Lo and behold another review was written by someone who had a "more favourable" opinion of the record. Guess which one was published?
It was Stokes himself who wrote it.
http://www.saucymonky.com/archive/hotpressreview_turbulence.html
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 8/31/2005 12:59 PM |
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this thread was cool when it was about how s**t spirit was ;)
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/31/2005 1:59 PM |
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Originally posted by mick
this thread was cool when it was about how s**t spirit was ;)
gotta agree with u mick.
seeing as una aint prepare to play ball and prefers to dodge the question, i'm calling time.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/31/2005 3:03 PM |
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what's the question pilchard? I'm genuinely confused, not trying to dodge anything
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/31/2005 3:44 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
what's the question pilchard? I'm genuinely confused, not trying to dodge anything
Not so much questions Una as your response to points raised in the above mails. i'll surmise the points as following
(a) do you think its OK to write for a magazine about music AND also have a business relationship with a band?
(b) do you think its best for your own credibility that you declare an interest when recommending the band in question?
(c) do you think the same standards should be applied to both online and offline recommendations? if you knew for example that someone in The Irish Times or Irish Indo or Hot Press was hyping a band that they were managing or whatever, would you jump all over them? Shouldnt similar standards apply in this case?
There u go, three points, replies and responses please. In your own time.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 8/31/2005 4:58 PM |
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I think it's perfectly OK to write about music and have some kind of relationship with a band, as long as you don't explictly go beyond attention that band would be given anyway in a publication
If you're referring to who I chose for highlights of HWCH, that list was comprised based on recommendations from a collection of people. It would be pretty arrogant of me to personally decide who people should go see, as that would be singularly based on my own personal taste.
I think the same standards should be applied to offline and online. I have never excessively hyped a band in an article.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 8/31/2005 5:34 PM |
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as they say in all the best TV legal eagle shows, the prosecution rests.
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Ciarán RyanNew Member Posts:47
| 8/31/2005 10:55 PM |
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Woooh, just jumped on this thread.
I was potentially in a similar situation to Una's. Writing for cluas a few years ago, I wrote gushing reviews of Waiting Room and giveamanakick. At the time, I had no involvement with either band but became a big fan of both. Now, I'm involved in a label that puts out releases from them, and when I approached another publication to do a review of a record we were putting out before, I was told I could do the review myself under a pseudonym. Obviously, I didn't but I've seen a number of reviews nationally over the years that seem a bit too pally for my liking
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 9/1/2005 3:03 AM |
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I'd like to ask the people who believe that Una has a conflict of interest what their opinion is of Leagues O Toole? He presented No Disco whilst simultaneously running the Volta Beats record label. I can remember a hip hop special curated by Leagues entitled Yo Disco which featured such luminaries as Gang Starr, The Roots, De La Soul and er....Creative Control (who were signed to Volta at the time).
Also Donal Dineen plugged the f*ck out of David Gray's White Ladder when it was first released despite the fact that he did the photo art for the sleeve. Apparently David Gray went on to play alongside Glen Hansard and david Kitt at Donal's wedding. Do those facts make you have any less respect for him?
Personally I have no problem with either of these guys. Ireland's too small to have an impartial press. Everybody knows everybody. It's just a fact of life.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 9/1/2005 9:45 AM |
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Originally posted by stroller
I'd like to ask the people who believe that Una has a conflict of interest what their opinion is of Leagues O Toole? He presented No Disco whilst simultaneously running the Volta Beats record label. I can remember a hip hop special curated by Leagues entitled Yo Disco which featured such luminaries as Gang Starr, The Roots, De La Soul and er....Creative Control (who were signed to Volta at the time).
Also Donal Dineen plugged the f*ck out of David Gray's White Ladder when it was first released despite the fact that he did the photo art for the sleeve. Apparently David Gray went on to play alongside Glen Hansard and david Kitt at Donal's wedding. Do those facts make you have any less respect for him?
Personally I have no problem with either of these guys. Ireland's too small to have an impartial press. Everybody knows everybody. It's just a fact of life.
Re Leagues O'Toole. Running a label and plugging your releases on TV and radio is a conflict of interest because you gain from the exposure (though given the lack of sales for Creative Controle/Messy J, thats a moot point).
A similar situation happened in Britain a few years ago when Steve Lamacq (then NME and BBC Radio One) was involved with Deceptive Records (Elastica) and he was told by the station controllers to stop playing their records.
In Leagues O'Toole's case, the Today FM head of music should take this into account and make sure he doesnt play any records he is invovled in (ie anything on Volta Sounds) when he stands in for Tom Dunne or Donal Dineen
Re Donal Dineen. I dont think he has played a David Gray record on his radio show since "White Ladder". He's also a photographer and film-maker so you could argue that Gray using one of his pics is just part of the job. The fact that Gray used a pic and Dineen then stopped playing his records kinda says it all!
The Leagues O'Toole thing is much bigger, though. Running a magazine (even if its a mag which never seems to come out) and doing radio shows AND doing a label is a conflict of interest, no matter how much wriggle room u want to apply.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 9/1/2005 9:49 AM |
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Originally posted by Ciarán Ryan
Woooh, just jumped on this thread.
I was potentially in a similar situation to Una's. Writing for cluas a few years ago, I wrote gushing reviews of Waiting Room and giveamanakick. At the time, I had no involvement with either band but became a big fan of both. Now, I'm involved in a label that puts out releases from them, and when I approached another publication to do a review of a record we were putting out before, I was told I could do the review myself under a pseudonym. Obviously, I didn't but I've seen a number of reviews nationally over the years that seem a bit too pally for my liking
care to elaborate, ciaran? would be interested to hear what those were
while we're on the subject of conflicts of interest, i found out the other week that jim carroll was involved in starting up Lakota Records (JJ72, Jubilee Allstars etc) but left years ago. apparently, because of his involvment with the label, he has NEVER written about any of the acts which strikes me as a pretty good get-out clause of having to listen to the s**te he signed then!
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 9/1/2005 10:01 AM |
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stroller is right that Ireland is too small to be really antsy about this. You just hope to use your best judgement. I know people who are journos, musicians, promoters and band managers! But they just try and use their best judgement and generally, if you do that, people have regard for your honesty and equal regard for the position you can find yourself in when you have to take 4 low-paying jobs in the same industry to get by. It's just the way it is. Of course, there are those who are more vindictive and play those positions off each other for their own benefit.
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| 9/1/2005 6:53 PM |
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i dont mean to have a hard on about this people.....but could you guys possibly start another thread when yiz start squabbling about something which has nothing to do with the original thread topic.
now back to the music & hard working class heroes
the zealots: very good performance
stagger lee: bit of a disappointment, i'd heard good things
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 9/1/2005 8:39 PM |
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Originally posted by clamps
i dont mean to have a hard on about this people.....but could you guys possibly start another thread when yiz start squabbling about something which has nothing to do with the original thread topic.
now back to the music & hard working class heroes
the zealots: very good performance
stagger lee: bit of a disappointment, i'd heard good things
u need THIS
http://www.cluas.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5246 |
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spurtacusBasic Member Posts:229
| 9/2/2005 1:37 PM |
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Betamax Format were quality, really impressed with Sickboy although they got ripped off soundwise at both their main slot and their aftershow gig, bloody Spirit!
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