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Jagger claims "George Bush is full of s**t"
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8/10/2005 11:14 PM
    THE ROLLING STONES accuse US President GEORGE W BUSH of being "full of sh*t" on their new album. The track ’Sweet Neo Con’, one of the tracks on the forthcoming ’A Bigger Bang’, was already known to be fiercely anti-Bush. However, frontman Mick Jagger's disdain for the American leader has now been confirmed, with Rolling Stones singer revealing some of the lyrics in an interview with Newsweek. But the singer has revealed that guitarist Keith Richards, who lives in the US, is a bit worried about the direct nature of the words. An extract from ’Sweet Neo Con’ features the following lines: "You call yourself a Christian, I call you u a hypocrite/You call yourself a patriot, well I think you're full of sh*t." Jagger said of the track: “It is direct. Keith said: ‘It's not really metaphorical.’ ”I think he’s a bit worried because he lives in the US. But I don’t.” ’A Bigger Bang’ is released on September 5 and is preceded by the single, ’Streets Of Love’ on August 22. The band begin their forthcoming world tour in Boston on August 21. uncut.co.uk has heard the album and has a full track by track guide to the album
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    8/11/2005 8:08 AM
    No offence Una but, Mutlimillionare rockstars say George bush is full of s**t, so what. Who doesnt. Is this their lame attempt of getting publicity.
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    8/11/2005 9:04 AM
    No offence whome but the stones are the biggest live music attraction in the world. They dont need to attempt to get publicity. As far as saying Bush is full of sh*t, it's a bit like saying dog sh*t stinks.
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    8/11/2005 9:19 AM
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    No offence whome but the stones are the biggest live music attraction in the world. They dont need to attempt to get publicity. As far as saying Bush is full of sh*t, it's a bit like saying dog sh*t stinks.
    Eh, everyone needs publicity, thats why they are doing the interview, to bring attention to their new album. "it's a bit like saying dog sh*t stinks.", thats my point, So whats the point!
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    8/11/2005 10:34 AM
    he is full of s**t though, and it is about time that bands started getting political again (this might not be great, but at least its a start). Oh and apparently his new enviromental bill is going to make America "more secure" and "help good Americans realize their dreams." f**king twit.
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    8/11/2005 10:57 AM
    Oh here we go...another bout of Bush bashing....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...it's a discussion forum for music not politics. As for the Stones, seeing as they have'nt brought out a decent record in decades I suppose they need something to detract from that fact. Bunch of old haggards.
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    8/11/2005 11:03 AM
    I personally am not the biggest fan of politics and bands - well not overtly like the manics or rage etc. I dunno - its always so overly simplified when in reality its such a complex area. Bringing awareness to something important is one thing but just being outrageous or controversial is more a blag for exposure - which any band needs regardless of who they are. Even that Make Poverty History thing - I reckon the record sales of most of the bands who played was the biggest achievement with that thing.... even if it was well meaning.
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    8/11/2005 11:09 AM
    To be honest the stones are a little like paul mcartney, neither have made more than one decent record in the last thirty years (although "some girls" is quality) but they wrote and produced some of the most influential and frankly brilliant albums in the last 60 years; so The Stones can be forgiven as can Paul "thumbs up!" Mcartney for being "old haggards" or whatever. The Stones had five albums that changed rock n roll between 67 and 75. Every time the stones go on tour,the same abuse is thrown at them. They are old, they are irrelevant etc etc......They are selfish and haven't had a decent record in thirty years etc etc....It doesn't matter, they still sell. Thats why they do it. Nobody will disagree that they are nothing more than an efficient company right now. But for the guts of twenty years they were the greatest rock n roll band in the world. T Regarding Bush, who f*ckin cares. This is a music forum. End of rant.
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    8/11/2005 11:19 AM
    My point is that if they are good enough they should'nt have to jump on to political bandwagons. Don't know about them changing rock and roll cause as I said in another board I personally think they are over rated. When it comes to changing the face of music, the Beatles pissed all over them. I still think they are bunch of old haggards though.
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    8/11/2005 11:39 AM
    It's a lyrical gem, no doubt. They may be old and haggard but Jagger's obviously got the lyrical ability of a young child. Why single out Bush as a hypocrite and full of s**t? Every US president (and most other presidents) is/are full of s**t. Attack Blair while you're at it lads. "I did not vote for Blair/I do not think that he cares." Something like that.
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    8/11/2005 11:41 AM
    but are they jumping on a political bandwagon, or just saying what they feel? Lyrics should be personal/meaningful, and most of the best lyrics go a bit beyond "she loves me, yay" I think the Stones have a lot of pretty crap tunes, but when they hit their stride they were unbelievable. Exile on Main Street is probably one of my favourite albums.
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    8/11/2005 11:46 AM
    I could just imagine the interviewer waking up that day, having a wash, eating breakfast and rushing across town in a taxi to be on time. Starting the interview and Hearing jagger saying, yeah man, that Bush is such a d**k, we wrote a song about him. The interviewer thinks to himself "What the f**k am i doing here"
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    8/11/2005 11:47 AM
    You cant really know if they are just saying what they feel until you know the rest of the lyrics. What's the song even about apart from the Bush bit? What does the title mean for that matter? Sweet Neo Con? It reads like an anagram. "Wee On T'Scone"? Urinal bakery sabotage!
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    8/11/2005 11:50 AM
    Yes, I do think they are jumping on a political bandwagon. They may not like Bush but so does half of the world's population. There is a time and a place for everything and having a go at Bush through songwrting seems to me to be a bit udated already. Its been done ad naseum in the last 4/5 years. Give it a rest..it's bad enough to have to listen to gobs**tes like Michael Moore and Gerge Galloway than have to put up with this crap as well. End of rant.
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    8/11/2005 12:03 PM
    I think Bush bashing is way too popular to be a mere bandwagon. If they came out with an album of Christian songs would they be jumping on the ol' Jesus bandwagon? I think they're just throwing their tuppence (it aint worth much more) into an ongoing global theme of "We Dont Like Bush Either". Anyone heard a pro-Bush song?
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    8/11/2005 12:10 PM
    I love bush, maybe a bit trimmed though, irritates me face
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    8/11/2005 12:18 PM
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    I love bush, maybe a bit trimmed though, irritates me face
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    8/11/2005 12:24 PM
    Gavin Rossdale must be pissed.
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    8/11/2005 12:26 PM
    instead of all this bush-bashing, people should be just as passionate about local politics. for instance, along the lines of the new stones song: "I don't like bertie, he is very dirty" I can hear the bandwagon revving up already!!! or being pulled by horses, because it's a wagon.
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    8/11/2005 12:28 PM
    gonna shut up about bush now, but there are some pro bush tunes. Can't remember them, but i heard them during the presedential campaign. Some kinda well known artists too, i think Britney Spears played a few support type gigs, though i'm pretty sure she didn't write any new tunes.
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    8/11/2005 2:11 PM
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    Anyone heard a pro-Bush song?
    Not yet, but I am checking with my contacts in Nashville. In the meantime, can I tempt you with these delightful gifts at a very special price ? http://www.georgewbushstore.com/president_line.htm "The guy over there at Pease - a woman actually - she said something about a country-western song about the train, a light at the end of the tunnel... I only hope it's not a train coming the other way. Well, I said to her, well, I'm a country music fan. I love it, always have. Doesn't fit the mold of some of the columnists, I might add, but nevertheless - of what they think I ought to fit in, but I love it. You should have been with me at the c.m.a. awards at Nashville. But nevertheless, I said to them there's another one that the Nitty Ditty Nitty Gritty Great Bird - and it says if you want to see a rainbow you've got to stand a little rain. We've had a little rain. New Hampshire has had too much rain." - President George W. Bush
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    8/11/2005 4:52 PM
    I always find it comical the way a band like coldplay can write 3 albums about insecurity and love and no one makes a comment about that topic being over worked. Yet any musician trys to express an opinion of society in any way and they are labeled as stale or unoriginal etc. Even worse is the claim that music shouldnt be political. All art is political its a reflection of society that is the whole f**king point of art.
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    8/11/2005 5:19 PM
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    I always find it comical the way a band like coldplay can write 3 albums about insecurity and love and no one makes a comment about that topic being over worked. Yet any musician trys to express an opinion of society in any way and they are labeled as stale or unoriginal etc. Even worse is the claim that music shouldnt be political. All art is political its a reflection of society that is the whole f**king point of art.
    well said. You could probably even say that politics was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
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    8/11/2005 5:50 PM
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    You could probably even say that politics was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
    I always thought that getting laid and getting high was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
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    8/11/2005 6:18 PM
    that too! but in the late 60s politics was pretty central to American culture with Vietnam, and most bands were involved to some degree. Before that in the 50s with early rock and roll there was the whole race issue, kids listening to devils music, black culture seeping into the mainstream...
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    8/12/2005 9:55 AM
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    You could probably even say that politics was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
    I always thought that getting laid and getting high was the driving force behind rock n roll in the 50s and 60s.
    And the 70s and the 80s and the 90s.. :)
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    8/12/2005 10:09 AM
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    Before that in the 50s with early rock and roll there was the whole race issue, kids listening to devils music, black culture seeping into the mainstream...
    Yeah, but those were issues that arose out of white kids listening to the music, not what inspired the music in the first place. If you can find a strong political message in Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, Elvis, Carl Perkins, Buddy Holly etc. you're a more perceptive person than I am.
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    8/12/2005 10:23 AM
    binokular - yeah you're right about the 50s stuff. im gonna stick to my guns on the 60s though! Mind you the politics maybe fuelled the popularity of the music a little, forbidden fruit, teenage rebellion and all that.
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    8/12/2005 1:08 PM
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    Originally posted by Daragh im gonna stick to my guns on the 60s though! Mind you the politics maybe fuelled the popularity of the music a little, forbidden fruit, teenage rebellion and all that.
    Nope, I still think it was sex that fuelled musics popularity, but not in the way you might think. In the 60s, the Baby Boomer generation was growing up and in the US at least, they were reasonably prosperous too, the term "teenager" had recently been coined. It meant basically you had a lot of young people with money (killing the hippie ideal here aint I?) which leads to youth culture suddenly becoming very important. Without mobile phones and playstations to distract them, the "kids" had three main areas to spend their money: Clothes, Cars (US legal driving age is 16) and Music, just a continuation of the the trend started in the fifties. Lots of politics floating round, but not the main driving force for the popularity of popular music at the time.
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    8/12/2005 2:02 PM
    Art is a form of expression. Politics is only one of many mediums through which to express oneself. I would'nt say that politics was the driving force behind music during any decade. Most music is concerned with love, heartbreak, sex etc; these are common deominators that most human beings can relate to (Execept maybe Morrisey!!). For example, how many times do your hear the word "love" in a song? Most other stuff like for example politics is a sideshow.
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    8/15/2005 5:51 PM
    your damn right, who was i kidding! (still think politics has a place in music though )
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    8/15/2005 6:03 PM
    To be fair, Daragh and Binokular, politics as a topic has long had a place in the blues (Vietnam Blues), prior to, during and after the birth of rock and roll. As for Chuck Berry, long underrated as one of the great lyricists, he is as much a poet of the american landscape as Walt Whitman or Woody Guthrie and in a number of songs namechecks places in America, something which he inspired Bruce Springsteen to do in 'Light of Day' which has a Berryesque roll call of American place names in the middle.
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    8/15/2005 8:08 PM
    Sorry Jules, you've gone right over my head there (not hard to do really ), I'm not entirely sure what you're getting, sure theres probably been political blues songs, and theres been political songs for centuries prior to Rock and Roll, but I always just thought the Blues was about the Blues y'know? Maybe those Blues are caused by an unjust government, but most of the time its just some woman, or just how you feel, no reason, you just got the blues.... ...Sorry I've been listening to those little spoken monologues BB King gives halfway through his songs too often...
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    8/16/2005 10:15 AM
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    Sorry Jules, you've gone right over my head there (not hard to do really ), I'm not entirely sure what you're getting, sure theres probably been political blues songs, and theres been political songs for centuries prior to Rock and Roll, but I always just thought the Blues was about the Blues y'know? Maybe those Blues are caused by an unjust government, but most of the time its just some woman, or just how you feel, no reason, you just got the blues.... ...Sorry I've been listening to those little spoken monologues BB King gives halfway through his songs too often...
    Dude, the Blues is so much more than that, and you have to put the blues in the context of the American society and history. Check out Feel Like Coming Home for a wider view. Gospel and Blues is the source.
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    8/16/2005 10:25 AM
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