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stroller

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5/18/2005 5:44 PM
Declan O Rourke, Audio Bullys and Bob Mould have all been added to Sunday's bill. I wouldn't mind seeing Bob Mould just to hear a few songs off Copper Blue but the other two are desperate.

Pilchard

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5/18/2005 10:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by stroller Declan O Rourke, Audio Bullys and Bob Mould have all been added to Sunday's bill. I wouldn't mind seeing Bob Mould just to hear a few songs off Copper Blue but the other two are desperate. with u on that one - hopefully there will be someone funny in the comedy tent when o'rourke is on.

Una

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5/19/2005 12:43 PM
saw Audio Bullys before in the Red Box - really entertaining. Still in two minds about their remix of 'Bang Bang' though, it was a great song before they got their hands on it. Maybe too good to ruin though. "hopefully there will be someone funny in the comedy tent when o'rourke is on." - excellent!

spurtacus

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5/19/2005 1:11 PM
yeh you're dead right there, they've ruined it, no need to go anywhere near it

Una

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5/19/2005 1:17 PM
I think my problem with their version is that it's just really uninventive. Anybody could've made a mix like that, yknow? Ah well, I wonder who else is going to play EP. They're going to have to plump up the line-up substantially if they want to get the punters in. I can't imagine how much they're spending on it already.

Unicron

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5/19/2005 1:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard Originally posted by stroller hopefully there will be someone funny in the comedy tent when o'rourke is on. Probably not, there will already be someone to laugh at on his stage.

spurtacus

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5/19/2005 2:07 PM
they should add kelly osbourne to the lineup, her new tune is f**kin great stuff!!

Gar

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5/19/2005 2:18 PM
New additions to Oxegen: Josh Rouse 747s Nine Black Alps Magic Numbers Subways Maximo Park The Editors

Una

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5/19/2005 2:30 PM
The Magic Numbers are the only good band there. And they're already playing Bud Rising, so, like, WHATEVER. Not really gone on Maximo Park - dude's voice takes getting used to. The Subways are brutal live, although 'Oh Yeah' is a great tune.

Gar

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5/19/2005 2:33 PM
Just letting people know. I'll miss The Magic Numbers in June so hopefully catch them at Oxegen and will judge The Subways when they support Weezer in Vicar Street.

stroller

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5/19/2005 5:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una The Magic Numbers are the only good band there. Editors are a class band. Munich and Bullets are both brilliant singles. And Apply Some Preassure by Maximo Park is a quality tune, as is Love Vibration by Josh Rouse. You're right about that Nancy Sinatra remix though. It's f*cking muck! There was actually a great bootie of Bang Bang floating around last year with the beats from Fix Up Look sharp underneath it.

Una

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5/19/2005 5:23 PM
oh didn't notice the Editors on that post (was edited I think - the irony. That's not irony). Yeah Munich is a good song, a lot of peeps say it's an Interpol rip off, but I say NAY. Love the guys voice, bit Ian Curtis-esque. They're supporting The Departure during the Bud Rising bonanza. Think the gig is at Whelan's. Yeah, that Bang Bang mix was on the Hanzo Steel Record, you know that one that basically looks like the cover of Kill Bill? Good record, if a bit gimmicky.

Gar

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5/19/2005 8:06 PM
Also announced for Oxegen are: Embrace Hal Feeder

stroller

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5/19/2005 8:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gar Also announced for Oxegen are: Embrace Hal Feeder What a grim trio.

Antistar

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5/20/2005 12:48 PM
It just gets worse and worse...

Unicron

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5/20/2005 1:51 PM
Who wants to buy my ticket?

klootfan

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5/20/2005 2:22 PM
I cant understand what problem ye can have with the line up for oxegen. Having gone to everyone of these since the first witnness, I think this years line up is probably one of the strongest yet ...

Daragh

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5/20/2005 2:32 PM
are the mars volta playing at oxegen? it said on 2fm they were, but there hasnt been any mention since.

Una

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5/20/2005 2:34 PM
don't you understand Kloot? Everyone who likes rock music will complain about the lack of invention of the line-up, yet still go and enjoy it beacause they like the bands. duh.

Gar

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5/20/2005 2:51 PM
I remember not being overly impressed with last year's line-up before I went but had a great weekend. And the majority of the better acts I saw were in the New Band Stage, and that stage hasn't really been announced yet (despite Super Furry Animals and The Tears headlining it). There will always be about ten or so acts worth seeing at any festival.

Unicron

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5/20/2005 5:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una don't you understand Kloot? Everyone who likes rock music will complain about the lack of invention of the line-up, yet still go and enjoy it beacause they like the bands. duh. I was kind of serious, I went last year and there was enough on the new band stage (plus Jimmy Cliff) to make it worth my while. I bought the ticket when I was flush becasue the festival will in all likelyhood sell out and I'll know of someone who is looking for one, if the lineup is still unattractive I'll sell the ticket (for cost price). As the lineup stands I don't reckon I'll go.

Libero

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5/22/2005 1:18 PM
The Editors are not ripping off Interpol, they are both ripping off Joy Division, who I never liked in the first place. Even JJ72 have gone all moody, dark and forgotten how to play guitar or write proper melodies. The curse of Joy Division strikes again. Nine Black Alps are promising, if similarly retro (though more 1992 than 1982). I like Maximo Park. Honest and fresh and optimistic about life. One gets the impression that Paul Smith has been far closer to Ian Curtis' state of mind than the likes of Mark Greaney, but doesn't feel compelled to pose as a morose troubled soul. The singles are far better than the rest of the album but IMO are strong enough to make it a must-buy anyhow. Hopefully the likes of the Magic Numbers will remind people of the shallowness of the Joy Division wannabes.

Una

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5/22/2005 2:05 PM
I don't trust people who don't like Joy Division.

johnny cash

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5/23/2005 1:39 PM
maximo parks are the new inspiral carpets

Daragh

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5/23/2005 1:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by johnny cash maximo parks are the new inspiral carpets what does that mean?

spurtacus

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5/23/2005 1:47 PM
the inspiral carpets were an over rated sack of poop

Daragh

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5/23/2005 1:49 PM
ah, thought it might be something like that!

Libero

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5/23/2005 7:26 PM
In fairness, Apply Some Pressure, Graffiti and The Coast is Always Changing are top, top tunes. I agree that the album is not a great debut release but am still glad I bought it. In these days of the iPod, those songs deserve to feature on every punk-pop-rock fan's playlists. Apart from that, Paul Smith seems to be a class frontman with genuine presence, intelligence and has lots of time for the fans. I am well looking forward to seeing them at Oxegen and Glastonbury but have a nasty feeling they will clash with other acts. UP THE PARK!

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5/24/2005 4:53 PM
SATURDAY Green Day - Made up, kid punks who've been peddling the same riffs for years and years. ' American Idiots ' The Frames - Over earnest, become more slickly corporate by the day, lazy last album, predictable. The Prodigy - Unless it's a resurrection of Jesus proportions this is to be missed.. Why? For the Nostalgia? Snoop Dogg - Seriously irrelevant untalented drug hyping rubbish. Queens Of The Stone Age - Oddly intelligent and slightly good Kaiser Chiefs - What???? Pub pop at it's very best. It's easy when there's that much money thrown at them. Watch out Eurovision Ian Brown - Genuine living legend. Enough humble modesty to make sure it's not up it's own a*&e and enough new good stuff to make sure were not being smothered in Irony Kasabian - Nasty retro stylings from a nasty bunch of nasty people. Nasty Razorlight - Processed beats is a song by Kasabian. Processed Band would suit there guys Bloc Party - Possibly genuine article, possibly not. I like Luno. But then again I like Germany and that doesn't mean I like Hitler The Bravery - My mates say ' Dave , they're rubbish ' . I say ' Mates, they're not! ' Interpol - Oh, the beauty. The only band so far I'd want to see Foo Fighters - Merciful Jesus. Angry rock n' roll in the same way a gentle breeze is a wild storm. Avoid. Keane - I'm not very ' BANDNAME' on these chaps. Dreadful stuff. Like water dripping onto a Piano late at night, when you're trying to sleep The Killers - Both my sisters have it. Most of my female work colleagues too. My mum was considering buying it. That means it's either the new issue of Heat or it's this rubbish. Doves - Sprawling, brilliant tunesmithery. Band number 2 for me so far New Order - Like watching you Dad run up the stairs ( You know he was once able to do it with ease, but now it's not so easy ) The Streets - Not my cup of heroin but not bad if I'm to be honest ( Not that anyone's bothered reading this far ) Jimmy Eat World - I'd rather get slaughtered and burned Audioslave - Laughable James Brown - Purely for comedic balue, surely there'll be no real fans here? Is there OAP parking? The Beautiful South - Gentle pop that's about as offensive as winning the lotto. Wouldn't get my runners mucky mind Josh Ritter - Lonely guitar hero in the same way that Pol Pot was a hero. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Harmless. Catch them on Grafton St for free, Saw Doctors - Rousing, GAA gang pleasers. Seriously though, it's pound for pound the worst line up in recent memory. It might be perfect for the US loving gang but it's a poor, poor genre mix. The Frames in between Green Day and the Prodigy is a big mistake in terms of momentum building. I really think they've gone for a big name too many this year and it'll be electric picnics gain. Is anyone REALLY that excited about going to see any band ? Considering nearly all the bands have played here at some stage in the last 2 years, and the fact electric picnic has Rev, Lips, Fire, Cave and Werk !! Come on people!!!

Daragh

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5/24/2005 5:03 PM
aye, electric picnic takes it hands down, gotsta scrounge enough cash for a ticket now.

Una

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5/25/2005 10:53 AM
Green Day - Great pop band, with one of the album's of last year, and some of the singles of the last decade; Basket Case, Geek Stink Breath, Good Riddance, Hitchin A Ride etc The Frames - Bad albums, entertaining live, as long as Glen keeps shtum Mylo - Brilliant stuff, happly energised electro The Prodigy - Never released a bad album, but hardly cutting edge. Spitfire should be good. Slam - should be energetic, interesting will they stick to the house hide of things, or play it harder Snoop Dogg - brilliant rapper, classic hip hop Black Strobe - GOLD house Queens Of The Stone Age - not a fan, good bass player Kaiser Chiefs - Excellent pop, definate crowd singalongs - I Predict A Riot, Oh My God etc Ian Brown - beyond rubbish live Erick Morillo - weird pick for the top bill. expect a harder set than the Reel to Reel stuff Kasabian - Album is a bit all over the place, but a couple of excellent tunes LCD Soundsytem - probably one of the most exciting acts on the bill. Essential party music Razorlight - Borrell is an arrogant asshole, but a great post-Rats band anyway, great live, by all accounts Bloc Party - Fantasic Athlete - 'anthemic' er, no. An English band that will never be popular here The Bravery - fake Interpol - I leave that one for everyone else to masterbate over. Good band, but incredibly overrated Foo Fighters - past it, quite boring live. Grohls voice doesnt hold up Keane - ewwwww. Calculated piano pop, although Somewhere Only We Know is a good song The Killers - Released possibly the best album last year. Were amazing at Oxegen 04 Doves - Past it New Order - Worth it for th classic tunes The Streets - Best British band of the last 5 years, unforgettable live Jimmy Eat World - college rock scum Audioslave - New single is awesome, worth it for the heavy weight factor James Brown - legend etc The Beautiful South - personally, I despise Josh Ritter - good for whelans maybe, not a festival Rodrigo y Gabriela - absolutely excellent live Saw Doctors - sure, why not? The Tears - pass the pay cheque Super Furry Animals - rashackle crazy live indie Jacques Lu Cont - brilliant and increasingly popular since he turned up at Backlash Deep Dish - the closest an act on the bill comes to good deep house and techno

klootfan

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5/25/2005 11:14 AM
Punchbowl, Id love to see a suggested line up from you keeping in mind that the people who wish to attend the festival want big international acts mixed in with local and new talent Ive been to all of the witnness/oxegen festivals so far and theres no way, comparing it to other years, that you could say its the worst line up in recent years... If this is the worst of the line ups id be interested in knowing from you the order in which you put the previous lineups

Daragh

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5/25/2005 12:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una Ian Brown - beyond rubbish live I dont know that i would go that far, especially now that he is playing quite a few roses tunes. I missed the last gig he played here, but it was supposed to have been very good.

Una

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5/25/2005 1:16 PM
one good song does not a band make

stroller

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5/25/2005 1:43 PM
Green Day - Lowest common denominator punk pop for kids and redneck guns' n' roses fans. The Frames - Last album was the worst of their career. Great live act but totally over rated in this country by a blinkered fawning fan base which seems to now comprised exclusively of teenage girls. Mylo - Has got a couple of quality funky house tunes but nothing spectacular live. The Prodigy - Once they were one of the best live acts on the planet but haven't released a great record in 8 years. Slam - Their brand of Tech-House wouldn't be my cup of tea but Positive Education is a tune. Snoop Dogg - Made a seminal record 12 years ago but has been treading water ever since. Occasionally Dre or the Neptunes will grace him with a quality beat but he's pretty lazy on the mic nowadays. Black Strobe - Quality dirty sexy electro. Queens Of The Stone Age - One of the best live bands on the planet. Kaiser Chiefs - Disposable fun pop. Jump along to I Predict a Riot and then head along to the hot dog stall when they start playing filler. Ian Brown - Worth it just to hear F.E.A.R. and a few Stone Roses tracks. Erick Morillo - Cheesy obvious popular house. Kasabian - Couple of good tunes, a lot of filler and a lot of unwarranted arrogance LCD Soundsytem - Quality. One of the best albums of the year. Razorlight - One good tune and a couple of middling ones. Lead singer's a deluded cnt. Bloc Party - More quality. One of the other best albums of the year. Athlete - Sht. The Bravery - Disposable manufactured pop. Enjoy it while it lasts. Interpol - Quality. One of the best acts to emerge over the last few years. Foo Fighters - They were poor at Slane and they're becoming increasingly MOR with every release. Keane - Sht The Killers - Ridiculously over hyped band. They've got a couple of good tunes but they're so overplayed I can't enjoy them anymore. Doves - Seriously under rated band with a great back catalogue. New Order - They've got a great back catalogue but have you heard that new single? The Streets - First album's quality but he pretty much ran out of ideas after that. No great shakes live. Jimmy Eat World - The Middle's alright but apart from that... Audioslave - Sht. James Brown - One of the greatest artists of all time. The Beautiful South - Far too MOR for a "youth festival" like Oxegen. Josh Ritter - Another mediocre singer songwriter that we've tried to adopt as one of our own. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Don't know enough about them to comment. Saw Doctors - Not my cup of tea but good luck to them. The Tears - If they just turn up and play the first suede album in it's entirety than they'll be alright. Super Furry Animals - Quality. One of the best acts on the bill. Jacques Lu Cont - Hit and Miss. He's done some great remix work over the last few years but most of his recent stuff has been very forgettable. Deep Dish - Flash dance was b*llocks.

Una

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5/25/2005 1:53 PM
Why is everyone slagging Green Day? They're a great pop band, and American Idiot is an excellent album. Maybe it's not cool to like pop punk. Whatever.

stroller

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5/25/2005 2:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una Why is everyone slagging Green Day? They're a great pop band, and American Idiot is an excellent album. Maybe it's not cool to like pop punk. Whatever. Well I'd imagine it's because Oxegen is supposed to be a rock festival and not a pop festival. If the Offspring or Blink 182 or Sum 41 or Good Charlotte were playing I'm sure they'd get a similar reaction.

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5/25/2005 2:06 PM
New Order are more pop than Green Day! Green day are alright, wouldn't be really into them, suprised they were allowed back after the mud fight they started a Witnness/Oxegen one year. Don't seem too bright as a band really, during the same perfomance the lead singer thought it was a fantastic idea to stick his head into one of the huge amp/PA speaker cones, eejit.

Una

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5/25/2005 2:50 PM
woah, forgot about that mud fight. That was Braveheart s**t. Just found out I wont be working the weekend of Oxegen so now I can go to the whole thing instead of just Sunday. yipee.

Libero

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5/25/2005 5:32 PM
Sad to see music preferences being reduced to one-line throwaway verdicts. The NME has gone more and more in this direction where they declare a certain band or act to be 'in' or 'out' and manufacture snappy little justifications for all the younger teenagers to remember so they can pretend they know music. I'm not saying that's the case here, just that it's a debased way to consider music. It is good to see the acclaim of Bloc Party and the disdain for those chancers Kasabian. Have to stand up for Keane. Quality songwriting that 95% of bands couldn't match if sat down with a piano and drumkit. And simply one of the best live vocal performances I've ever heard. Unsurprisingly, the NME tendency have deemed them "dull" (as opposed to those MADMAD people in Kaiser Chiefs or whatever). I suspect this is code for "posh", used by people who'd never have the patience for anything without guitars and who don't own a single classical CD. Sure the lyrics are mostly crap but the music is quality.

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5/25/2005 5:47 PM
oh my god whats the deal with oxegen? It gets worse every year, I mean the irish stage is always the f**king same, the frames(didn't they say last year they would NEVER do it again!?), paddy casey and usual suspects. Most of this years acts played last year.

stroller

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5/25/2005 6:02 PM
Keane are a f*cking atrocity of a band with no redeeming features what so ever. They make insipid bland music which is totally void of any point or purpose. They should have been drowned at birth. The futureheads how ever are class live (I saw them in Cork on Friday) and have just confirmed themselves for Oxegen. Yay!

Mully

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5/26/2005 8:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by elle oh my god whats the deal with oxegen? It gets worse every year, I mean the irish stage is always the f**king same What 'irish stage' ?

benni

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5/26/2005 8:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by stroller The futureheads how ever are class live (I saw them in Cork on Friday) and have just confirmed themselves for Oxegen. Yay! Oh the jealousy... I fkin love that band man. Seen a few performances of them live on TV but couldnt make it on sat as I was Djing... and I had a st night too so I was extremely pissed off! Was there any support? Good reaction etc?

klootfan

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5/26/2005 9:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by elle oh my god whats the deal with oxegen? It gets worse every year Once again I ask...could one of the people who think this years oxegen listing is crap, please come up with an alternative listing, even say 10/15 bands that they would have playing, bearing in mind that this is a music festival for all types of music listeners and not just a festival for small relatively unknown irish bands largely supported by fellow class mates from college. And no, i dont have a thing against small relatively unknown irish bands as ive spent years going to gigs in ireland to see bands of all shapes and sizes.

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5/26/2005 12:36 PM
nevermind them they're all talkin ballix, music snobbery if ye ask me! Away with the lot o' yis to a World Music festival where the main attractions are Space Jazz and some bloke who does a mean rubben chicken solo

stroller

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5/26/2005 2:02 PM
quote: Once again I ask...could one of the people who think this years oxegen listing is crap, please come up with an alternative listing, even say 10/15 bands that they would have playing, bearing in mind that this is a music festival for all types of music listeners and not just a festival for small relatively unknown irish bands largely supported by fellow class mates from college. Here's just a few acts that are playing gigs and festivals in Ireland and Europe this summer who have not been confirmed for this years Oxegen festival; Kings of Leon The Pixies Iggy & The Stooges Devendra Banhart Brian Wilson Franz Ferdinand Sonic Youth The White Stripes The Zutons The Bees Babyshambles Weezer Beck The Coral Rufus Wainwright Tom Vek Secret Machines Ryan Adams Sons and Daughters The Arcade Fire Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds The Flaming Lips Yo La Tengo Joanna Newsom British Sea Power Eels Morrissey Antony and the Johnsons Phoenix Supergrass Dinosaur Jr The Roots Royksopp DJ Format featuring Abdominal and D-Sisive 2 Many DJs Chemical Brothers Roots Manuva High Contrast Krafty Kutz Felix da Housecat Tiga Tiefschwarz Four Tet Gilles Peterson Andy Smith Buck 65 Ladytron Saul Williams Basement Jaxx De La Soul Khonnor Rahzel Alter Ego The Go! Team Erol Alkan The Glimmers Mr Scruff

Una

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5/26/2005 2:48 PM
Underworld Mylo (i know he;s playing oxegen too, but f**k it) U2 Common

Pilchard

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5/26/2005 5:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una Underworld Mylo (i know he;s playing oxegen too, but f**k it) U2 Common Common now playing Spirit on Jul 5 - for all the hip-hop playas on the list who have cropped up of late!

Una

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5/27/2005 12:00 AM
can you like hip-hop and not be a playa? or more importantly, can you be a playa and not like hip-hop?

stroller

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5/27/2005 12:08 AM
Knowledge, wisdom and understanding brings long life and health, think anything else and ya playin yaself.

Mully

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5/27/2005 9:01 AM
quote: Originally posted by Una can you like hip-hop and not be a playa? or more importantly, can you be a playa and not like hip-hop? That makes you a playa-hater ...

klootfan

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5/27/2005 10:37 AM
Stroller,nothing wrong with the list you provided, all fine bands. However, i doubt they would catch the imagination of the general public, which a music festival of this size has to do to make it a success. If you think of the festival in terms of value for money, i dont think anyone could argue but that the line up that oxegen offers is anything other then great value for money. As for the lineup itself. No line up is going to suit everyone. And even if you dont like some of the bands listed, you should be able to acknowledge that although they might not be your cuppa tea, the festival has lined up a large selection of internationally acclaimed bands to play this year, more then any other year in my opinion, and at the end of the day, they deserve credit for that.

stroller

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5/27/2005 2:01 PM
That list wasn't meant to be an alterative line up, it was meant to be a list of possible additions. I realise that you need bland but commercially successful bands in order to shift tickets. However the organisers usually find at least 20 decent international bands to keep the heads happy. This year there seems to be precious few decent bands and a vast excess of lowest common denominator unit shifters. At the moment I'm struggling to find ten bands that I really want to see on this years line up. Last year the following bands kept the five albums a year brigade happy; Scissor Sisters, NERD, Snow Patrol, The Killers, Razorlight, The Darkness, Faithless, Pink, Black Eyed Peas, Muse, Keane and Ocean Colour Scene. The rednecks were happy and the gig sold out. Yet the organisers still managed to squeeze in the following; The Cure, The Strokes, Kings of Leon, PJ Harvey, Franz Ferdinand, Massive Attack, The Rapture, Orbital, Belle & Sebastian, The Chemical Brothers, Sons & Daughters, The Libertines, Wu-Tang Clan, Jimmy Cliff, Wilco, Felix Da Housecat, Basement Jaxx, Mylo, The Shins and Buck 65. The real music fans were spoilt for choice and everyone was a winner. I’m sorry but last years line up sht’s all over this years. So until the organisers sort themselves out and add at least 10-15 decent bands to the bill they don't deserve any credit because they’re failing to match the standards they’ve already set for themselves.

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5/27/2005 2:48 PM
i think stroller's probably right. the fact is the gig is still not sold out - just like coldplay, people are holding back until theyre sure. With coldplay, they want to hear the album and hear for themselves. with oxegen, they want to see what else we're getting besides a blurry photocopy of the T in the Park line-up. T sold out but then theres no competition outdoor festivalwise in scotland. here, its the picnic which might steal Oxegen's thunder this year cos the line-up is class.

klootfan

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5/27/2005 2:59 PM
Yeah, the picnic is looking pretty enticing...the sat of it anyway ( for me that is ) but its a tad expensive all the same

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5/27/2005 3:23 PM
Stroller, re. the Killers, Oxegen was before it really took of for them last year so they were aimed more at the "in the know" audience and I thought they played a fantastic set. This was before I got bored of them of course. The Killers backlash: They're just crap, they became popular, or it's a patchy album with about 4 super tunes but the rest is weak and as a whole doesn't strand up to repeated listens?

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5/27/2005 4:20 PM
Personally, I havent listened to the album in quite a while, mainly due to overexposure. Dont think they're crap at all, album has some really good songs, several weaker ones. The OC connection is annoying mainly due to the show being so f**king annoying. I reckon if they hadnt blown up like they have, people would be giving them the benefit of the doubt due to the great singles. Now they're "too popular", those weak points leave em prime for slagging. I saw em in Olympia and it was good show.

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5/30/2005 10:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by klootfan Punchbowl, Id love to see a suggested line up from you keeping in mind that the people who wish to attend the festival want big international acts mixed in with local and new talent The important thing is here is not that I'm against Oxygen and want it to fail but that the quality of music is poor. This firstly is a reaction to my personal music tastes and I fully expect some people to think it's a great line up. I suppose you can look at like this. It's an ultra safe line up. More Golden Discs than Road Records. It's also very slight when it comes to Irish acts. Obviously, it's a mirror festival for others in the UK but a bit of localising might of been appropriate ( Frames excluded ). I would personally love to see God is an Astronaut, Jape, Connect Four Orchestra, Waiting Room, Dave Couse, Blink, Bell X1, David Kitt and Redneck Manifesto all playing, although I do appreciate more acts will be announced. Oxeygen, like most Irish festivals will be a calamity. There'll be no quality of life for whoever goes as the location is entirely unsuitable and badly laid out ( usually ). The allocation of sanitary areas will be way off the mark and the beer will be hard to get, miles from the stages and very, very expensive. But what do I expect? Well, I would gladly suffer the shortcomings of a almost facist-like sponsored event to see an artist I believe to be worth it. As I say, New Order are a good band, but I wouldn't get my boots dirty to see them. So, a challenge. What would I like to see..?? Main and Second Stage acts ( In no order ) Grandaddy Kraftwerk Deus Mercury Rev Nada Surf Arcade Fire Go Betweens Belle and Sebastian Teenage Fanclub Frank Black Depeche Mode Flaming Lips Sebadoh Ben Folds Chemical Brothers David Kitt Fountains of Wayne Interpol Morrissey Pernice Brothers Dance and Electro Stage Les Rythms Digitales Notwist Bjork Postal Service David Grubbs Erland Oe Mogwai Karl Bartos Ladytron Mylo LCD Soundsystem Mice Parade Bang Bang DJ Shadow New/Upcoming/Irish stage Bright Eyes Broken Social Scene Death Cab for Cutie The Walkmen The National Tom Vek Joy Zipper M83 Marc Carroll Pony Club Modest Mouse The Shins Go is an Astronaut

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5/30/2005 10:50 AM
Pretty good line up there, could really argue with you on the list. Id love to catch a festival like that. I think you hit it right on the nail, Oxegen is closer to Golden discs then Road Recs..and i think it always will if it is to perform well financially. I think the Electric Picnic festival is closer to road then Oxegen

Una

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5/30/2005 1:40 PM
"the fact is the gig is still not sold out - just like coldplay, people are holding back until theyre sure." no. This gig isn't sold out because most gigs this summer aren't sold out. Why? because there are too many f**kin gigs on. MCD have reached saturation point, which is why gigs haven't sold out frequently like they used to. Look at Pixies, Coldplay, Electric Picnic, Oxegen - these are massive shows that used to sell out easily. But, the point is, you can't expect people to keep spending money on tickets that are too expensive to see acts in the same genre. For all these gigs to sell out, the promoters are demanding of people to go to one or two gigs a week, which just won't happen because it's so unreasonable. Look at Bud Rising, two gigs have sold out, taking up most of the people who will actually attend the 'festival'. Attendance at the rest of the gigs will be minimal. Of course, for something like this, it doesn't matter because the sponsor behind it is huge and ca probably afford to lose near a million on it (or 'spend', rather than 'lose') without profitting. So, MCD might freak out having crowded the summer, and as a result there will be far less gigs next year. But the dangerous thing is, Electric Picnic, which is the most inventive show this summer may end up suffering the most, given that there are a lot of gigs around the date (the weird continuation of 'Bud Rising') that will poach punters. This, plus the fact that most of the acts are 'speciality' or 'fan' acts at Electric Picnic and don't appeal to a wide number of people. Electric Picnic are risking things by hoping that by combining a bunch of specialised acts, they will get as many punters in as if the offered a couple of 'mainstream' ones. However, another drawback with 'speciality' acts is that they usually cost a lot more. I doubt the profits on Electric Picnic will even be that big if the whole things sells out. And I doubt it will sell out, even though I really hope it does, as I think there should be some reward for conscientious selecting of a bill, instead of dumping the 'most popular acts in the world' on our shores like MCD is doing this summer - even though that in itself should be applauded give the amount of acts offered.

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5/30/2005 2:12 PM
But this is a good thing right? More gigs, more choice? More chance of actually getting a ticket without playing roullette with a webserver?

Una

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5/30/2005 2:18 PM
it is good for the bigger promoters, MCD and Aiken, but have pity on the smaller one who are trying to but gigs on when f**king a million massive ones are on each week. Plus, you'd think the more gigs that were on, the prices would go down, wouldn't you?...

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5/30/2005 2:22 PM
yeah, you'd think..

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5/30/2005 2:26 PM
good post una with some good points. Too many shows + not enough punters = slow summer. the flipside of the laws of supply and demand Some shows have sold out this summer and they're the ones people really really want to go to see - Oasis, U2, Bruce Springsteen and a stream of indoor shows (not to mention Neil Diamond). The promoters are acting the b**x with outdoor shows this summer - there are just way too many. Does anyone really want to go to see Scissors Sisters or Destinys Child in the great outdoors?? I think its going to be the more "pop" shows which will struggle cos these acts appeal to audiences who dont necessarily think its a good idea to stand in a field all day. AS for anastacia in marley park.... re Bud rising - does anyone else think its strange that for a festival which is sponsored up to its nads that the ticket prices have not been reduced? Like una says, the promoters pocket the money - leaving the punters with....? OK there are acts who might have bypassed the city/venues otherwise (beck in olympia for instance) but the ticket prices are still high given the huge amount of cash Bud are probably splashing out Yes, the MCD Bud rising gigs in Aug are an attempt to stymie/stop/hurt the Electric Picnic but I dont think the Picnic will suffer from the Bud Rising gigs in Aug because it's a festival rather than a collection of gigs loosely bundled together under an umbrella title. The picnic involved a weekend away (unless u are from co laois) with loads of diverse acts and all that. Bud Rising means the strangest bill ever put together for any Irish outdoor - scissors sisters, franz ferdinand, maroon 5 and snoop dogg. All u need now is new MCD house band Humanzi on that bill (theyre playing with the Pixies already) and we're sorted As for praising MCD for dumping the most popular acts on our shores to bulk out Oxegen - not so sure if i agree. the problem is that festivals like Oxegen rip the st out of the touring circuit and everyone who is touring ends up playing. Hence fans of these bands have to go to see them in a field or tent (to which the acts may be hugely unsuited). last year, if u wanted to see Wilco in ireland, u had to go to punchestown when the band would have been much better in the olympia or vicar street. also theres the fact that some acts who u would love to see (last summer, TV on the Radio and the Secret Machines, for instance) end up playing festivals without any prior announcement or notice.

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5/30/2005 2:30 PM
I see what you're getting at, I'd much rather see New Order in a decent venue, they rarely play Ireland and only tour in summer so when they come here its ends up as part of a festival or supporting someone else (RHCPs last time I believe)

Una

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5/30/2005 2:33 PM
"As for praising MCD for dumping the most popular acts on our shores to bulk out Oxegen - not so sure if i agree." I was just mentioned this so as not to be totally down on MCD. People fire insults at them left right and centre (myself included sometimes), but in the business world, or a promoters eyes, or whatever, they do a very good job. (obviously to the detriment of world peace, happy punters etc)

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5/30/2005 3:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una "As for praising MCD for dumping the most popular acts on our shores to bulk out Oxegen - not so sure if i agree." I was just mentioned this so as not to be totally down on MCD. People fire insults at them left right and centre (myself included sometimes), but in the business world, or a promoters eyes, or whatever, they do a very good job. (obviously to the detriment of world peace, happy punters etc) Yeah, i hear u, its a favourite thing for music fans to do, ganging up on MCD/Aikens etc. Often they do deserve it but from time to time, praise must be due. I do, however, stand over my original point - many acts are playing festivals who would be far better suited to indoor venues. many of these acts only play ireland on the festival trail which is a huge, huge pity. there is also the "exclusivity" thing. if an act plays Oxegen, for example they are prohibited in their contract from playing any other Irish shows for a period before and after this gig (ie Kasabian can't play ireland for six months before or 3 months after Oxegen - a good or bad thing i'm not so sure). this means less and less choice in the long run. of course these things are restrictions of trade but acts (and especially agents) are loath to break them because they dont want to fall out with the likes of MCD. plus acts (esp Irish acts) who play Oxegen are then expected to do a rake of Olympia shows in December. One of the few who broke this was - and i know he's not a popular man round here - was Damien Rice. he was supposed to be do a rake of olympias after Oxegen/Witnness 2003 but said "f**k this for a game of hollywood actresses" and went to Vicar Street instead. he hasnt done any MCD shows since, despite the best efforts of his agent and manager to get him to do so. very much his own man, which is to be admired despite what u might think of the music

Una

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5/30/2005 4:12 PM
"there is also the "exclusivity" thing. if an act plays Oxegen, for example they are prohibited in their contract from playing any other Irish shows for a period before and after this gig (ie Kasabian can't play ireland for six months before or 3 months after Oxegen - a good or bad thing i'm not so sure). this means less and less choice in the long run. of course these things are restrictions of trade but acts (and especially agents) are loath to break them because they dont want to fall out with the likes of MCD" but Mylo is playing with Basement Jaxx. I suppose it's because that's an MCD gig too. They must just be thinking 'anything to fk up Electric Picnic' - by putting Jaxx, Underworld and Mylo on the same bill, and then the Chemical Brothers /Sonic Youth gig. Will someone please tell me how the fk sonic youth are playing with the Chemical Brothers? Thats a weirder suport act than Secret Machines @ the point.

Binokular

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5/30/2005 4:15 PM
Gotta admit though, putting Chemical Brothers and Sonic Youth on the same bill is genius. Might try and get to that one if it isn't sold out.

Pilchard

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5/30/2005 5:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Binokular Gotta admit though, putting Chemical Brothers and Sonic Youth on the same bill is genius. Might try and get to that one if it isn't sold out. gotta agree with u on that one - fantastic billing. wouldnt be too gone on shelling out money to either band on their own but well worth the strangeness together

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6/3/2005 4:53 PM
Right, the full lineup for oxegen was announced today and it is now completely sold out. I've got a 2 day ticket without camping going for whatever it is I paid for it. If anyone is interested then hit the "e-mail user" button and get in contact.

stroller

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6/3/2005 5:51 PM
is it just the weekend camping tickets that are sold out or are the one day tickets sold out as well? I don't see much point going on Saturday. Just look at the headliners; Green Day, Prodigy, Ian Brown, Erick Morillo and The Tears. I couldn't be arsed seeing any of them. Plus the Go! Team are clashing with Interpol and Queens Of The Stone Age are on at the same time as Bloc Party. I'm not camping over night for the sake of seeing two extra bands. Sunday however is a totally different kettle of fish. If my calculations are correct I should be able to catch all of the following; James Brown LCD Soundsystem The Magic Numbers Death From Above 1979 Futureheads Editors Tom Vek Maximo Park Rilo Kiley Now that's a good day out!

Gar

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6/4/2005 11:56 AM
There's about 40 acts I'd like to see but alot of those will clash I'm sure. Think I might opt for Ian Brown as last act on the Saturday and Super Furry Animals for the Sunday - not overally impressed with the headline acts.

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6/5/2005 4:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Binokular Gotta admit though, putting Chemical Brothers and Sonic Youth on the same bill is genius. Might try and get to that one if it isn't sold out. are you high? that was a dreadful decision. chemical bros are muck and would be better suited playing with someone equally lame, maybe bloc party or something like that. it would be nice to see sonic youth play with boredoms, or even better, have them play a noise freakout with lightning bolt. that would be nice now.

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