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kerb

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11/23/2004 4:18 AM
As someone who works in A&R I have spent this year attending many gigs. Some good, some not so good, some incredible. I use this site alot. I think the opinions and discussions which most of you post are brilliant and i think the site itself warrants such issues we talk about. Firstly, to Cluas.com. Thank you for providing the Irish punter with a media to express their views and promote their gigs. I wonder, in the days of Junkster, Engine Alley, Power of Dreams, Peach, The Pale & Something Happens et all how we coped without the Internet. You really had so little access to the public outside of posters and word of mouth and trying to convince the demon that is Hotpress that your band warranted coverage in the form of a little news section. Secondly I am going to briefly give you a little insight into the acts who have caught my eye this year. Alot of them are playing in December, some you must wait until 2005 to see. There are acts that I have not mentioned. There are too many to mention. By not mentioning your band it means that "I" have not been caught by what you do, it DOES NOT mean your band is in anyway flawed. Mine is an opinion, everyone has one and my opinion counts for little in the grand scheme of things. This year has seen the arrival of some great bands who were either knocking before or have simply arrived from the cold and warmed our souls. The band scene is healthy now, lets keep it that way. Acts are not in order & have just given a little title for each one! BEST NEW ACT* The Rags - I have seen these guys four times. In Danny there is an arrogance which is almost offensive from a lead singer. But when a band produces tunes of this peril and with such conviction, it becomes easy to forgive. Pure pop alt rock with class. "Modern Citizen" & "Beats" are tracks to endure & love. May you be rewarded for your welcome arrival on the scene. MOST DESERVED* The Republic of Loose - Playing Oxygen this summer would boost the moral of any band, particularly one who in 2000 seemed so down and out. "Girl I'm gonna F*k you up" Ep's is what brought these guys to my attention awhile ago & their debut album "This is the tomb of the Juice" has received critical acclaim. Topped with the fact that the lead singer is a guy called Mick Pyro... have to be rock star bound. Have already set my sights on seeing them in the Ambassador in December. Some of the percussion and mood of earlier songs reminded me of Fun Lovin Criminals... with melodies that just ring and ring and ring and ring in the head. Well traveled & professional act. No alarm clocks needed here. See them LIVE! BEST LIVE 66e - Stole the show for me at Hard Working Class Hero's on the Sunday. It's Radiohead without the confusion. Like being at the opera or listening to songs made for swirling Orchestration. Their debut album is released in January followed by a nationwide tour. Their most recent gig in Whelans with Polar confirmed to me what a truly amazing band this really was. I believe everyone should make the effort to see them once. BEST BAND* Jove - Jove vanished. Then this year seemed to come from nowhere. The guitars pelt your ears from all angles, strings & soaring vocals drive stakes deep inside the heart & I am beginning to believe that there IS room for Jove & Muse on this planet. No releases planned this side of 05 so LIVE is where its at for you if you've not seen them. Managed by one of the most genuine & ambitious people I have ever met, Voodoo Lounge on the 3rd of December is the only place you should be. Ireland's next superstars?! MOST EXCITING* The Immediate - Recently signed to the massively influential UK Independent Label Fierce Panda, i belive the Immediate will be on London soon to play a number of dates and are managed by Supremo in Dublin. Indescribable act... four piece who switch and change instruments so the singer who was the bass player is now the drummer who is on guitar! Funky,.. jazz rock bizarre stuff! Seeing the Immediate is an experience... experience them! DARK HORSE ACTS* Stars of the City Alphastates The Things Cortinaz 79 The Chapters The Chalets The Chakras Just opinions, remember they are only valid when you see the above bands and make your own minds up. However would enjoy chatting with you all over the next few days and please let me know if there are acts I have not mentioned, i may not have seen them. Thanks Kerb

eoghan

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11/23/2004 10:21 AM
Kerb, A timely post as I will be opening the polling booths for 2004 CLUAS readers' poll later this week. So y'all get yer thinking caps on, d'ye hear me now? eoghan

spurtacus

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11/23/2004 10:31 AM
the most confusing thing of 2004: http://www.wimp.com/reader/ ......had me freaked altogether, but then again i'm not the cleverest

kerb

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11/23/2004 11:27 AM
Spurtacus - thats added to my favs. Everytime you get an answer however look at the number you just picked. The symbol is different each time. Mind tricks eh! Anyway, thanks Eoghan. Purely off the cuff, bored and sleepless on a Monday night. So c'mon guys/gals... opinions on the above firstly & additional bands worth seeing! Will be good for the poll later in the week.

Gar

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11/23/2004 11:53 AM
Good stuff Kerb. Don't know if you checked them out already but there is an album review of Republic Of Loose, live reviews of 66E supporting Polar and HWCH gigs all up on Cluas. I'll be here all day if I mention the good/bad gigs I attended or artists I discovered this year. Better wait for the poll and keep it simple.

kerb

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11/23/2004 11:56 AM
Cheers Gar I saw the Republic of loose review alright but didnt see the Polar/66e one. Likewise Gar, I have seen so many gigs this year. Am winding down. Next two I am at are Republic of Loose for Ambassador and Jove for Voodoo then I think i am going on a break!!

tilda

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11/23/2004 12:30 PM
why not sign one of them then and do something productive for the scene here instead of waffling about it on the internet?

Wicker

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11/23/2004 12:36 PM
I'd agree with the ROL and 66e (damn fine bands) I'll check out your other recommendations also.. The only problem I'd have with the 66e though is their association with the aformentioned Radiohead. I would really like to see them loose that tag before it becomes their "Ball and Chain" so to speak. I'd like to see them carve their niche before they get pigeonholed. Hopefully the debut album will sort that out.

kerb

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11/23/2004 12:43 PM
tilda: There are many acts I would like to sign. There is a massive misconception of the Irish Industry that we have can sign acts left right and centre. As regards labels in Ireland we rely heavily on support from mother labels in UK and Europe and do our best to bring those people over to see acts we have spotted. I have acted for two of those bands above and one are going to London on Thursday. Your points are valid but make them less agressive. I posted this topic up to get thoughts and to give one or two acts i thought deserved it, some exposure for christmas gigs. Its all I can do right now. Wicker: I think 66e will lose the Radiohead tag.. in time. They have the capability to do so. I think we have to tag all bands with something originally, as its so hard to be truly different. Its from tags we make our own minds up and from there comes our own sense of identity for the band we grow to love. 66e have been added to the bill supporting Jove at the Olympia next year i see. The stage will be perfect for their sound.

tilda

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11/23/2004 12:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by kerb tilda: There is a massive misconception of the Irish Industry that we have can sign acts left right and centre. b****x. i know you've no money. force a deal for someone, dont sit around talking bout it on the web.

thethirdplace

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11/23/2004 1:19 PM
which part of "make your points less aggressive did you not get"? Or even "I am giving some bands exposure before christmas"? Or the thought that at least someone from the A&R world took time out to post his views on an independent website. This country is so knocking and aggressive at times its unreal. You have no idea whats being done behind the scenes tilda and neither do we and it think it brilliant that i have a few more bands to go and see because of this post.

tilda

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11/23/2004 1:32 PM
quote: which part of "make your points less aggressive did you not get"? Or even "I am giving some bands exposure before christmas"? how are they aggresive exactly? and how is he giving the bands exposure. quote: Or the thought that at least someone from the A&R world took time out to post his views on an independent website who cares what someone from the a&r world thinks of a bands music. just because they like it should you? get your own opinion quote: This country is so knocking and aggressive at times its unreal. surely you mean 'this country is so blindly supportive of anything irish even if its s**te that its unreal'... no? quote: You have no idea whats being done behind the scenes tilda and neither do we sorry do i know you? how do you know that i am not infact an actual a&r man and kerb isnt just persay joves manager? quote: and i think it brilliant that i have a few more bands to go and see because of this post as i said before why go and see a band just because an a&r man likes them. cop onto yourself grow a set of balls, your own opinion and find out about bands for yourself.

spurtacus

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11/23/2004 1:36 PM
Humanzie and The Urges deserve a mention, caught The Urges for the first time in the Stags Head on Saturday and was blown away, the drummer is pure class. The Untangled were quality aswell. P.S. Yer off yer nut Tilda

Eric

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11/23/2004 1:40 PM
Thanks for the reviews Kerb, never will heard of the Rays so will keep me eyes and ears peeled.

thethirdplace

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11/23/2004 1:54 PM
He did say "Mine is just an opinion and counts for little in the grand scheme of things".. Your not A&R. The tone is wrong. And i know jove's manager and why in gods name would he be pretending to be Jove's manager. There are 12 bands mentioned up there! Everyone on this post will make there own mind up about each band, we're not robots. Examples of you being aggressive are: (1)b**x. i know you've no money. force a deal for someone, dont sit around talking bout it on the web. (2) cop onto yourself grow a set of balls, your own opinion and find out about bands for yourself. (3) 'this country is so blindly supportive of anything irish even if its ste that its unreal'... no? And finally and am resting it at this as it could go on for ages, "who cares what someone from the A&R world thinks"... answer is every band who tries to get their attention in order or make it. I managed to make every point above without telling you to get a set of balls, kop on, get an opinion, why cant you? The Urges are managed by a guy called Amos i think and he does have a good band there Spurtacus your right. Right on with more constructive reviews me thinks!

Pilchard

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11/23/2004 1:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by kerb tilda: There are many acts I would like to sign. There is a massive misconception of the Irish Industry that we have can sign acts left right and centre. As regards labels in Ireland we rely heavily on support from mother labels in UK and Europe and do our best to bring those people over to see acts we have spotted. I have acted for two of those bands above and one are going to London on Thursday. Your points are valid but make them less agressive. I posted this topic up to get thoughts and to give one or two acts i thought deserved it, some exposure for christmas gigs. Its all I can do right now. interesting to see an A&R man post here and especially good to see him (its a him, isnt it? I've only ever known 2 A&R women) make the point that Irish majors are just a colossal waste of time. they only have the authority to sign acts for ireland hence why they specialise in novelty acts like Simon Casey or Six or Dustin the Turkey. many UK A&R look in bemusement at what the irish labels sign. that said, Bell X1 have done well out of universal ireland. the best new acts i saw in 2004 were 10 Past 7 (awesome), The Chapters (cool tunes, good possibilities) and Life After Modelling (even their bad songs are interesting). I saw some dreadful acts too but I think I had a Men in Black moment and theyve been wiped from my memory banks.

kierry

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11/23/2004 2:00 PM
in fairness. turns down cynicism i don't agree. with any of the bands you chose. at all. god its mad how one persons opinion can be so different to someone elses. so so different.

thethirdplace

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11/23/2004 2:04 PM
exactly Kierry!!!!! Perfect timing! Everyone has different opinions which is exactly what Kerb said!

Unicron

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11/23/2004 2:05 PM
Best unsigned/unestablished irish bands: Lucas (actually I reckon they're the about the 3rd best band in the country) Alphastates The Chapters Life After Modelling The Soviet Filter

Gar

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11/23/2004 2:05 PM
Ok since some names are being thrown in here, I might aswell add some. It would be rude not to. Cds That I Have Been Given That Are Very Impressive: The Ens 'Siege Of Apollo' Life After Modelling 'December 21st' The Beautiful Losers 'Witches Float' Ellison 9 'Go Down' Silver Addictive 'Call Out' Stewart Agnew 'Songs From A Gasstation' Una Keane 'Saya Nova' Little Kicks Cabrini Green Lucera The Fallen Bands To Watch Out For: Nero The KB Band Stellarband The Citadels Wallmark New Colour Soul 66E Acts I'm Curious To See More Of: Jove The Upgrades Texas Galaxy Pinion Wicker Substance Guggenheim Grotto Cortinaz 79 Polar Hal The Rags Susan Enan Singer/Songwriers Who Should Be More Recognised: Jules Jackson Ciara Allen Colm Lynch Elaine K Brendan O'Shea Fionn Regan Jamie Lawson Sean Needham Best Of 2004 (in my opinion): Republic Of Loose The 747s Jenny Lindfors Declan O'Rourke The Redneck Manifesto Roesy Stand

Unicron

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11/23/2004 2:07 PM
Also, tip for Snow Patrol style global superstardom in 2005 (but being miles better), Bell X1.

Dromed

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11/23/2004 2:11 PM
My fav's from the past year have been...in no particular order... Humanzie Ch-1 Star Little Thing and a band that I'm not sure I have the name right for..The Dark Room Notes...i think they are called (anyone know them?) - saw them in Doran's one night and was blown away.

bojangles

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11/23/2004 2:30 PM
I think 79Cortinaz are playing in The Green Lizard on the 11th December.

The Growler

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11/23/2004 2:30 PM
Am I the only who finds it very hard to believe that an A & R person came on cluas and sent that email?

kerb

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11/23/2004 2:37 PM
I log on to cluas everyday Growler. I am A&R.. not god!

miki

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11/23/2004 2:59 PM
my fav's are Humanzie The Things Mainline Herm

Pilchard

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11/23/2004 3:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by The Growler Am I the only who finds it very hard to believe that an A & R person came on cluas and sent that email? sure, what else would they be doing, signing bad singer-songwriters? no, i dont find it hard to believe. these folk have to find out about new acts somewhere and i think its better that Kerb comes onboard and tells us what he thinks rather than just lurks, gets tips and contributes nothing.

kierry

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11/23/2004 4:51 PM
there's loads of bands out there and i don't listen to anyone elses opinions but my own... everyone is connected to everyone else and i'm tired of being pointed to s**t bands by their mates. anyway, i'll have to check the bands on gar's list as see what i think.

Gar

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11/23/2004 4:58 PM
Good stuff. I know what you are saying about so many bands being linked with eachother. That's good in a way that they are helping eachother out but at times, bad bands are heaped with praise. I'm not connected with any bands, just a very opinionated music journalist in the making. I'm sure you will find a good few acts from my list that you like. Cheers!!!!

The Growler

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11/23/2004 5:03 PM
Why are all the bands connected?

Gar

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11/23/2004 5:28 PM
Nah just some of the bands are connected, not all of them. They open up for eachother, play on eachother's records and promote eachother's music. Nothing wrong with that. But sometimes its a bit much when they constantly do it and if the band they are telling you about are actually pretty crap.

kerb

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11/23/2004 6:16 PM
Well thats the end of day one!! "Growler", the Irish music scene is incredibly small. Not all bands are connected but the vast majority are. I hear the same names alot regarding bands and managers and this and that so what "Kierry & Gar" says is right. You can be directed to bad music. I am not directing anyone here to bad music or good music. I have mentioned 12 bands that caught "my" eye, 5 of them i gave more detail to because "I" feel they are going somewhere. If you choose to follow the bands i admire then you all choose to freely. "tilda" it would have been so easy to get involved in a war of words with you but i felt "thethirdplace" was saying more or less what I would have. Your entitled to your opinion but it does remain a fact that there is only so much A&R can do in Ireland when it comes to signing Alt acts. I actively persue bands I am interested in & do what I can for them to get noticed by people who can spend the money needed to take the band to the next level. I think this site contains alot of poitive feedback but also has alot of wounded souls from previous musical experiences. The Irish Music Industry right now as regards alt bands is a non entity. Westlife, Six, Girls Aloud, Simon Casey et all have always been given consideration over what we consider to be "real music",but i do firmly believe that there is a crop of bands coming through which have to ability to change this. A number of things are happening next year which will see bigger labels take a more active role in ireland. This is a positive step towards ensuring that the groups we see and support get some more recognition. I will finish with this and its replying to "Tilda". You asked how I am giving bands exposure earlier: Answer: We are talking about them now are'nt we? Thanks Kerb

Unicron

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11/23/2004 7:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed My fav's from the past year have been...in no particular order... Ch-1 Ah yeah, forgot about them, really like 'em; it's just a pity they're out to get me.

Dromed

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11/24/2004 9:13 AM
they're out to get you?!!......why?

Pilchard

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11/24/2004 10:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by kerb A number of things are happening next year which will see bigger labels take a more active role in ireland. This is a positive step towards ensuring that the groups we see and support get some more recognition. hello kerb care to elaborate on this very interesting line in your post? you can't say something like this and not follow up! what are you talking about? i know there are plans for an Irish version of AIM but I dont think that will come to anything and it has nothing to do with the majors (or even sony-affiliated companies like Independiente). Are u talking about a new Music Board of Ireland?? Seeing what a huge "success" the previous one was, no-one should hold their breath about that. I'm intrigued! Please tell more p

kerb

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11/24/2004 11:39 AM
Hi Piltchard What I mean is that I, along with one or two others have been actively talking to UK labels about taking a more heands on approach to the Irish Market. There are two Independent Labels entering Ireland with both credibility and more importantly ability to sign acts. I cant go to much further into it. It will be behind the scenes activity but after a couple of months hopefully announcements can be made and acts will have another source who can view there potential. Yeah the music board really was not the most efficient piece of artistic work ever was it. I didnt mean to leave you hanging on previous post with "a number of things are happening etc etc..." but It is in motion and I am 100% behind it. Will keep all updated here.... even you Tilda!! xx Kerb

bonzo

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11/24/2004 11:39 AM
If you're good you will make it. Don't think that most bands in ireland deserve to release their records. The strength of bands in the UK/US is unbelieveable. Look at the bands that have emerged in the last two years? Franz Ferdinand, the Killers, The Streets, The Ordinary Boys to name but a small few. Do we have anything in this country that could do it on the same scale? I think not.

kerb

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11/24/2004 11:51 AM
Pretty Harsh Bonzo. Thats been my point that these bands ARE here. Its just that the back up, finance, infrastructure or even ability to see beyond the obvious is not there. This is one of the most frustrating countries you could possibly work in with regard to the music industry. The Killers were loose as F**K before producers got there hands on them. I think we genuinely have one band in Dublin right now on the verge of something massive. Others will follow. There is currently a little scramble in the UK right now with a number of acts having caught the eye. I am hoping they(being UK A&R) just act in january and not let it all pass again.

bonzo

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11/24/2004 11:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by kerb Pretty Harsh Bonzo. Thats been my point that these bands ARE here. Its just that the back up, finance, infrastructure or even ability to see beyond the obvious is not there. This is one of the most frustrating countries you could possibly work in with regard to the music industry. The Killers were loose as F**K before producers got there hands on them. I think we genuinely have one band in Dublin right now on the verge of something massive. Others will follow. There is currently a little scramble in the UK right now with a number of acts having caught the eye. I am hoping they(being UK A&R) just act in january and not let it all pass again. Don't keep it a secret - whose this one band?! 'Producers' was the key word in your post. Desperately short on the ground in this country. I honestly can't think of one act that is getting a huge home following and is impressive enough to go on to be successful.

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11/24/2004 12:56 PM

kierry

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11/24/2004 1:35 PM
is this another way of promoting Jove? are you the same 'mystery A&R man' as before with the Olympia gig? why don't i believe any of this? am i a bad person?

Unicron

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11/24/2004 1:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed they're out to get you?!!......why? Ah it's nothing really, I mailed you about it.

kierry

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11/24/2004 1:40 PM
actually its so dopily obvious that 'kerb' and 'carlsberg' are both Jove's manager.

kerb

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11/24/2004 1:42 PM
Originally posted by kerb Cheers Gar I saw the Republic of loose review alright but didnt see the Polar/66e one. Likewise Gar, I have seen so many gigs this year. Am winding down. Next two I am at are Republic of Loose for Ambassador and Jove for Voodoo then I think i am going on a break!! Are you referring to this "the gibbons"? Gar said there were reviews on cluas about that gig and asked if i saw them. I said "I didnt see the polar/66e one" meaning REVIEW!!!!!! Lads lets get something straight here as its really pissing me off. I posted up my opinions on who i thought were bands to watch for next year and gave it a little drama with 5 titles as categories. Thats all, make your own minds up. I am not saying I am right. Why do Jove references constantly keep coming up on this thread? Have you something against them? Did in not mention four other groups and write about them plus an additional 6 listed? If i put Republic of Loose on as BEST BAND would i be there manager or promoting them? I dont recall mentioning Jove other then they and the Republic of Loose gigs were ones I have penciled in for this year... What is the problem guys? Only thing I know is Jove for some Bizarre reason get bashed here alot. By the way "the gibbons"... new member i see... interesting..... welcome! If you dont rate them fair enough, i do, my opinion, but I dont understand why you all keep referring to them constantly when i Dont?!!! There is no connection for Gods sake.

bonzo

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11/24/2004 1:49 PM
Who is the band that are going to make it next year?

Unicron

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11/24/2004 1:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by bonzo If you're good you will make it. Don't think that most bands in ireland deserve to release their records. The strength of bands in the UK/US is unbelieveable. Look at the bands that have emerged in the last two years? Franz Ferdinand, the Killers, The Streets, The Ordinary Boys to name but a small few. Do we have anything in this country that could do it on the same scale? I think not. Well it's all down to personal taste isn't it? I tend to not be crazy about whatever the NME throws at us and tells us to like, of the bands that you listed I can take Franz Ferdinand in small doses and it's only the Killers that I really like, the rest ... meh. As for the statement that "If you're good you'll make it", I think a more accurate phrase is "if the labels think that you'll sell you'll make it" Probably the second best record of the new millenium that I've heard (The Meadowlands by The Wrens) was made by a bunch of part-time musicians who recorded in a living room on their saturdays off, if it was just a question of quality these guys would be stars, but they're not.

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11/24/2004 1:54 PM
CAN EVERYONE READ THIS PLEASE People, I am new to this. As in, not member of Cluas long. Am 34, gay, advertising executive who loves music. Have watched this post with interest. Firstly interest as to the bands mentioned. Some i agree with, other I have not seen. The thread was developing into a pretty good topic with a number of bands being mentioned a couple of times. Since middle of page 2 it appears to have drawn into yet another bash "Jove" post. Despite the fact that the guy mentioned them only twice. As BEST BAND & as a gig he was going to catch. So am wondering what the problem is as well. I am going to Voodoo merely for because I want to make my own mind up and I am going to post on here the following Monday with my opinions. If I like them i will say so, if not, i will say so. I am wondering if a band who has decided to take this sh** hole of an industry by the boll*x, do something about it has become unpopular on that note? If so, we're pretty small minded people. Am reserving further comment till Monday 6th, post JOVE!!! In the meantime as someone who has not seen the band in awhile, and has nothing vested in this, lay off them till you can voice your own opinions.

Unicron

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11/24/2004 1:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by bonzo Who is the band that are going to make it next year? Like I said earlier, Bell X1, they've consistantly recieved good press in the UK media but haven't yet managed to convert that into regular airplay but more and more people are coming to their shows over there. New album out in March, if it's going to be anyone it'll be them.

bonzo

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11/24/2004 2:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Unicron quote: Originally posted by bonzo Who is the band that are going to make it next year? Like I said earlier, Bell X1, they've consistantly recieved good press in the UK media but haven't yet managed to convert that into regular airplay but more and more people are coming to their shows over there. New album out in March, if it's going to be anyone it'll be them. I meant for Kerb to tell us - he alluded to it earlier on.

Pilchard

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11/24/2004 2:05 PM
at the risk of sounding incredibly foolish, who or what the hell are/is Jove? thanks kerb for your update. i await the arrival of whoever it is - i hope its andy mcdonald, i always liked him at Go Discs - into the irish scene.

Unicron

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11/24/2004 2:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by bonzo I meant for Kerb to tell us - he alluded to it earlier on. Righto, sorry, thought it was a general question.

bonzo

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11/24/2004 2:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by Unicron quote: Originally posted by bonzo I meant for Kerb to tell us - he alluded to it earlier on. Righto, sorry, thought it was a general question. No probs. I await Kerb's response with interest. Presume it is Jove!

flipperstired

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11/24/2004 2:28 PM
Pilchard at the risk of being accused of being Jove's manager, sure why dont we all be Jove's manager, its www.jove.ie

Pilchard

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11/24/2004 2:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by flipperstired Pilchard at the risk of being accused of being Jove's manager, sure why dont we all be Jove's manager, its www.jove.ie ta flipper. i'll download some of their stuff and have a listen and, yes, make my own mind up.

mick

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11/24/2004 4:38 PM
they are a fantastic band! the new album is going to be AMAZING!! quote: Originally posted by kerb BEST LIVE* 66e - Stole the show for me at Hard Working Class Hero's on the Sunday. It's Radiohead without the confusion. Like being at the opera or listening to songs made for swirling Orchestration. Their debut album is released in January followed by a nationwide tour. Their most recent gig in Whelans with Polar confirmed to me what a truly amazing band this really was. I believe everyone should make the effort to see them once.

mick

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11/24/2004 4:41 PM
and out of interest who are you a & r for kerb?

bonzo

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11/24/2004 5:15 PM
I think he couldn't say.

vandala

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11/24/2004 6:11 PM
"What's the problem, guys?" I'll tell you what the problem is, at least from where I'm standing. 1) First of all, you may well work in A&R. If you do, congratulations. However, prefacing almost every point you make with the statement "I work in A&R" and then, with the all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, twisting the discussion around to make comment about Jove - a band, let's face it, very few people have heard of it - is pretty annoying. Regardless of whether or not you have any immediate connection to the band, you are clearly going out of your way to drum up publicity for them. As this site is intended as a place where people come and discuss what they like and dislike about music, it seems like an extremely manipulative move. So, don't hold your hands up and feign innocence if some people get annoyed. 2)Regardless of Jove's decision to book the Olympia, according to their site they've played 8 gigs. If you like the band, fair enough: what puzzles me, however, is the gushing nature of your posts. "The guitars pelt your ears from all angles, strings & soaring vocals drive stakes deep inside the heart & I am beginning to believe that there IS room for Jove & Muse on this planet. No releases planned this side of 05 so LIVE is where its at for you if you've not seen them. Managed by one of the most genuine & ambitious people I have ever met, Voodoo Lounge on the 3rd of December is the only place you should be. Ireland's next superstars?!" Again, this is so bloody in-your-face that it's bound to piss people off. Have a bit of restraint, man! 3)Both yourself and Carlsberg have, on several occasions, attempted to use this website to sing the praises of Jove. You're more than entitled do. However, your tendency to side-swipe any criticism of your position by invoking the holier-than-thou maxim of "support an Irish band", is, again, incredibly annoying. There are plenty of bands people on this site support all the time. The inherent criticism appears to be about your tactics, not about your band. In addition to this, accusations about "begrudgery" (I'm not saying you've made them personally, but they've been bandied around), in this case, are entirely irrelevant. For an individual to begrudge an Irish band success implies that the band have been successful in the first place. Given the fact that Jove have not had any success yet makes that accusation pointless. 4) Why do you find it so surprising that people are going to think that you and Carlsberg are the same person? In addition to the points above, both of you appear to express yourself in a very similar way. At the very least you certainly know each other, and are definitely aware of the agenda you are setting. Again, this is no crime, but don't be surprised if people find it irritating. 5) Finally, a note to the moderators. Perhaps it might be an idea, as on other boards, to have the I/P address of the poster logged and displayed. While I'm aware there are ways around it (eg. logging on from a different PC), it might help to resolve some of the difficulties people have had with this whole debate. And, oh, by the way. I've never seen Jove live. I have listened to their mp3s, however, and was, profoundly moved neither way. Regards V

flipperstired

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Posts:103

11/24/2004 7:27 PM
I dont believe we're actually doing this. Now let me draw you all to some facts in this paranoid conspiracy. Kerb mentioned Jove as BEST BAND in his original post - he then repsonded to Gar about gigs and that his next two were ROL in the Ambassador & Jove. He posted 3 times on page 3 before becoming defensive or mentioning Jove. That was after a barrage of insults including "why dont you sign them instead of waffling & grow a set of balls". The only other time he mentioned he was A&R was when he again defended himself by saying he was simply !A&R not god"!.. in other words dont be surprised to see him on here. Let get something else straight here, Tilda started this by referring to him as not who he says he was. Kierry said similiar and now Vandala. I think you lot of managed to manipulate this into as I previously mentioned another "Jove bashing session". I am new to this but seriously would consider not bothering with this site again in light if what I have just seen. From reading back, a small group of people in the post on the Olympia started this as well. I think this is an utter disgrace the way this originally great idea to post bands who you spent a year looking at and briefly review them has turned into a case of cloak and dagger. I think the biggest sufferers here are Jove and the name its creating for them. I suggest for the sake of all the topic be removed and let the cynics talk amongst themselves outside this post. All for ID’s on this now. Really low!

bonzo

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Posts:364

11/24/2004 8:55 PM
No ID's - Can't weeall just get along? Who gives a fiddlers'?

Gar

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Posts:1676

11/24/2004 9:25 PM
I think that people should be staying with the topic of best of 2004. Looking forward to the poll that Eoghan mentioned. Think that I posted enough acts up on my earlier post for everyone to be busy searching to support and discover new Irish acts.

dudley

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Posts:124

11/24/2004 11:19 PM
good call on the wrens we share our US label with them lot, they're ace 8)

Unicron

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Posts:1696

11/25/2004 1:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by flipperstired Pilchard at the risk of being accused of being Jove's manager, sure why dont we all be Jove's manager, ... No, I am Sparticus.

Unicron

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Posts:1696

11/25/2004 1:12 PM
quote: Originally posted by dudley good call on the wrens we share our US label with them lot, they're ace 8) Can't remember, did "In love with..." come out this year or last year? Assuming this is the right Dudley.

milky

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Posts:15

11/25/2004 1:37 PM
new acts of 2004 for me alphastates life after modelling the chalets gary dunne declan o rourke cathy davey the chakras established acts bellx1 turn ian archer i know im forgetting loads oh yeah kerb great thread and people less hostility - thers enough of it already in the world

dudley

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Posts:124

11/25/2004 2:47 PM
quote: Can't remember, did "In love with..." come out this year or last year? Assuming this is the right Dudley. last year in ireland. this year in uk and europe and next year in the us getting plenty o' mileage out of it!

Antistar

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Posts:544

11/25/2004 2:59 PM
Come back, Tilda!!! You rock!!!!!!!!!

bear

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Posts:57

11/25/2004 3:26 PM
just read all this all now. it's funny - flippermanfella turned up with his jove loving ways at a very convenient time, no? i think i know somebody in jove...the name sounds familiar. if i'm right, they are extremely careerist(nothing inherently wrong there,i suppose)...but it's interesting that a friend of mine recently made a remark to the guy(from jove) about how jove were just a bunch of muse copyists...judging by the statement that there is "room for both jove and muse in this world" it seems that it hit a sore spot(probably wasn't the first to suggest it either).i've never heard them.if they are a cut price muse then i'm not likely to love them, but fair enough. they sound naive and well meaning, and will probably eventually be mildly embarrassed by all this nonsense.

spurtacus

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Posts:229

11/25/2004 3:31 PM
i think Jove have been rumbled,kerb, yer silence is deafening!

Rev Jules

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Posts:1041

11/25/2004 3:57 PM
To be honest, I think rock bands per se are in a fallow period right now. The bands being mentioned, some of them are good, some of them so so but culturally - in America at least - country music is back on the rise, whether y'all like it or not. Bruce Springsteen and John Mellancamp (two of my fav artists and both respected within Nashville) went on the campaign trail against Bush but it was top Nashville denizens Brooks and Dunn who got played at the acceptance ceremony. Indeed it was country act Dixie Chicks that started the whole debate in the beginning. Which is why Hard Working Class Heros was behind the curve and, in my opinion, irrelevant to new directions in music. If y'all want to sign those acts, go ahead, but some of the hottest new acts in America right now are country: Keith Urban, Gretchen Wilson and Josh Turner. And they sell records by the shedload.

bonzo

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Posts:364

11/25/2004 4:00 PM
Which gets back to my point that I don't think there is an act in this country regardless of genre that deserves a deal.

admin

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Posts:399

11/25/2004 4:27 PM
Plea to the well-respected CLUAS masses: Can we steer this – and, for that matter, all other - topics away from smug negative comments or insinuations? Let's keep it constructive (as the vast majority of you do). Let's try and avoid any temptation to derail topics off in directions different to that intended by the person who kicked off the discussion. If there is a new angle emerging from a discussion, start a new topic and off ye go on a *constructive* rant. Deal? The reality is that there's often enough a thin line between this discussion board delivering *engaging* discussions of interest to all and sundry and it lapsing into pot shots and anonymous jibes. I don’t want to have the moderating team to go all hardcore and stop blocking users or IP numbers (which we can do). It’s not our preferred style. And is it any surprise that a newcomer to these parts – flipperstired – thinks out loud about not bothering to hang around the discussion board any more after some of the cloak’n’dagger stuff that he saw going down? Look, I and many others have put enough effort trying to turn this discussion board and website into some sort of constructive resource for those passionate about muzak (and yiz ain’t seen nothing yet, baby). So let’s not turn newcomers away, because it is only through newcomers that the site will grow in terms of content and diversity of constructive opinion. Vandala was mentioning about IP numbers of users and the possibility publishing them on the site (What’s an “IP number” you ask? – in a nutshell, every computer that is connected to the Internet has a unique IP number that identifies it). While the moderators have access to IP numbers, I do not plan to publish them for all to see. And with regard to this thread I have checked out IP numbers of various people who have contributed to it and I have no concerns after my little investigation. Before I sign off I confirm that I am going to lock this thread and anyone who wants to continue to talk about its original theme (the best of 2004) can post something to this already existing thread which relates to the CLUAS 2004 readers poll: http://www.cluas.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3700 If you want to rant *constructively* about other points brought up on this thread then start off another topic. But keep it between the fences. Deal? Okay. Sorry if I sound a bit marmy and school teacher-ish but, bloody heck, it can get a bit, er, frustrating sometimes. Know worrah mean? Cheers. eoghan

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