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Support an Irish Rock band night
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Carlsberg
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10/11/2004 7:10 PM
    Hi all In early 2005, a fast rising, powerful & ambitious Irish band will play the Olympia. The meaning behind it is two fold. Firstly, to move outside the grasp of the monolopy of music promoters who do so little to assist hard working Irish bands & take something on themselves. Secondly & most importantly, to include 2 bands with them as support & open punters eyes to the talent which truly exists within the current crop of brilliant new Irish bands. We all know how hard you have to work to "make it". A little help never goes amiss, but sometimes you have to make your own luck & the best way to go is to "just do it". If you would support this night, please email redelephantmusic@yahoo.co.uk with your details as to how we can forward you further info and BE PART OF SOMETHING!
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    10/12/2004 9:01 AM
    "Never ever give up"? Excuse me while I wretch.
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    10/12/2004 9:44 AM
    just follow your heart and may your pathway always glisten with everthing that is free and beautiful in this hope filled world!
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    10/12/2004 10:12 AM
    Heh Optimus that's a bit harsh , I say fair play to anyone who's trying to make it without big label help !
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    10/12/2004 11:01 AM
    thats pretty hard going optimus, if you have any knowledge of the industry you will know how hard it is to get yourself out there and the post is right, you do have to just do it. Moving outside the circle of the few powerful people in this industry in Ireland is admirable & brave & should be slapped on the back. For any Irish band, the Olympia is a big committment and my hat goes of to them as its a massive financial undertaking to. I work in A&R and also have a rough idea who this is too... might not be beyond them actually. PS: Not my first post just cant remember my flippin password. Now Optimus, no more nasties!!
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    10/12/2004 11:08 AM
    let me know when your feeling better optimus... I can hear the Rocky fanfare now.. "never give up"... your right though i should have said, " if you feel disillusioned, give up, your probably crap"... that should motivate people more right?
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    10/12/2004 11:31 AM
    ah c'mon it was cheesy and ye know it!
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    10/12/2004 11:37 AM
    ok soooooooooooooooooooooooo will remove it! sniff sniff
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    10/12/2004 12:06 PM
    the whole post is cheesy. i presume it's an invitation to work for their street team. its good to have ambition, but i get an itch looking at this sort of thing.
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    10/12/2004 12:48 PM
    the worst part is its actually true you have to just do it. im gonna have to ask though, is this a mini "play the point" so sorry, still think its a cool idea and might open up this sort of thing more bands (unsigned night at the olympia)
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    10/12/2004 1:18 PM
    Well if nothing else guys its cool that we're talking about it. Kierry in answer to your question, its nothing to do with working for our "street team", we have that covered. We have not even told you guys the band yet so therefore you cant actually do ANY word of mouth other then that something is happening. We want to do this ourselves and just make moves without waiting for the MCD call. If its interpreted as cheesy then fair enough but its going to cost alot of money so we just wanted peoples feedback to it. MUTCH: "a mini play the point" its definitely not meant to be. We're just going to play this gig, advertise it as normal and give a couple of really good bands in dublin some limelight outside of the usual venues and that is no disrespect to any of those venues. But we will bill it as an Irish bands night, for want of a better phrase & want to know would people outside of the individual bands fans go thats all. Good chance this band will be signed by then anyway. Must go on a cheesy removal sweep! Thanks for all replies so far guys... Optimus, you feelin better yet?
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    10/12/2004 1:45 PM
    So why wont you release the name of the band. What purpose does it serve keeping the name secret From your previous posts i presume its jove. Im not in a band, however i do put a lot of time and money into going to gigs, both small and large, so i hope you dont mind me asking what makes your band so special to deserve this effort from people so that you or the band you support can play the olympia. Is it not slightly egotistical to think that this unnamed band should deserve our attention just because they are irish, with no proof of actual talent I mean these as genuine questions ? If I thought the band deserved the attention Id support it, but I dont think a band deserves automatic support just because they are irish and trust me ive supported many an irish band in my day.
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    10/12/2004 2:30 PM
    well im going for the craic anyway. while we can still enjoy music. soon macdowel (the rotweiler) will insist we only listen to his type of music, what do d4 dinner party heads like, kenny g? ronan keating? opera,.....whatever. hey i take back my "mini play the point" jibe that was unnecessary and unfair. its just that today is tuesday. my reasoning ability are off most tuesdays. best of luck. theres enough bands in Dublin (over 500 applicants for HWCH!!!) so out of that 2000 ish (500-ish X 4-ish)alone you should get alot of takers.
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    10/12/2004 4:30 PM
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    i hope you dont mind me asking what makes your band so special to deserve this effort from people so that you or the band you support can play the olympia. Is it not slightly egotistical to think that this unnamed band should deserve our attention just because they are irish, with no proof of actual talent I mean these as genuine questions ? If I thought the band deserved the attention Id support it, but I dont think a band deserves automatic support just because they are irish and trust me ive supported many an irish band in my day.
    very fair. its a very interesting concept. it would also be very nice for any dublin band to play the olympia. a definite drawback... fans of most small bands are not interested in paying 15-20 euro to see their bands when they can see them in whelans or the village or the music centre for less than a tenner... and personally i dont see the problem with any of the above venues. still fair play to you, its a big undertaking, hope it goes well.
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    10/12/2004 4:45 PM
    Go East and spend your money on playing in Japan, Holland or Germany. Playing the Olympia is ambitious and fair play to you but it is just one night. You may end up more bitter and cynical about the music scene in Ireland if hardly anyone turns up. Then again you could be set for world domination.
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    10/12/2004 5:06 PM
    the sound is always great in the olympia, except sometimes for the support acts...mysterious that one, isnt it!!!(espc. Future Kings of Spain supporting Muse this year, May or March) go for it. Bitterness and cynicism are probably gonna hit you anyway so may as well be after a high like that. What you need is a webcast, an arrest, a helicopter on fire...something to make it one of those things that *nobends say is a "i was there" moment. (note muse reference above, not excluding myself from the *nobend category here!!!) (*note spelling: not technically a curse to corrupt young minds)
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    10/12/2004 6:05 PM
    Listen guys, i will answer anything ye put up and to say we're overwhelmed by the response is putting it mildly. KLOOTFAN: Fair points. ANSWERS: I am not saying that we're so special. I am putting something on in the Olympia. We consider ourselves no different to any other Hard Working Band out there, we’re just willing to push the boat out a little & yes there is no guarantee anything will come of it. As MUTCH mentioned earlier, "unsigned night"?? Not going that way but if it works wouldn’t it be great to open up that avenue. Is it not good that a band, whoever they may be, is looking to headline a super venue not because they think their special but because they believe it can only be good for them & Irish bands? You will have had plenty of time to see the bands during 2003 & 2004 & you will have time to see them before the gig in the Olympia to make your own minds up so when the bill is announced, some of you will be going to support bands you probably will know. It’s also got to be a good night out right. We're looking at 15 euro & for four bands that’s not bad. MICK: Yes you can go & see your band in the various venues around town & THEY ARE GOOD venues & there is nothing wrong with them, but if we can draw some attention to this night, and more importantly draw some attention to the bands playing, then surely it’s a good thing? The Olympia is a super venue & maybe this will help a little. Much appreciate again all the feedback, keep it coming and email the flippin address if you want info when everything is decided will ye!! KLOOTFAN: No comment on band...wink... yet!!
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    10/12/2004 7:30 PM
    Hands up to you for creating the debate... its super to watch. See we are alive. As mentioned earlier guys I work in A&R & do now know who this band is. Am not going to speak up for you Carlsberg, indifference is key, but I am going to say the band in question is probably just capable of pulling this off. Important are the support slots you give & make sure you give them for the right reasons. People have a right to ask why your doing it. Expect some jealousy, though they wont admit it. Good Luck with this. It's fantastic
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    10/13/2004 10:25 AM
    Hi Carlsberg, we would be interested in talking to you regarding what your doing & in light of the fact we know which band it is. Have forwarded details to your redelephant address. Best Kerb
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    10/13/2004 11:30 AM
    Can I just say that i wasnt making an attack on the proposition. It was the "never give up" bit that made me want to wretch. Not what Carlsberg is trying to do. Theres not enough optimism left in the world for that kind of comment to fly these days. And I hold my hands up and when it comes to confessing to a lack of optimism. And yes, KERB,I have been part of the industry. I've been chewed up and spat out by the f*cking industry, so dont tell me how it works. I didnt give up. I kept going and it got me f*ck all. So dont lecture me on the politics of the industry. Calrsberg, all the more power to you for supporting a "worthy" cause. I hope that some of the bands make it. I really do. But making it doesnt get the job done anymore. Reaching the top and staying there are 2 completely different things. But as far as being supportive goes, I'm all for it. We need a breakthrough version of the Mexican Pets or Kerbdog. U2 arent up to much anymore and Therapy? are non-existant. Ireland needs to musically put itself back on the map again. Sorry if I seem aggressive but I dont like being misunderstood or accused of the wrong thing.
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    10/13/2004 3:16 PM
    dude did you not hear the new therapy? cd? its excellent.
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    10/13/2004 4:06 PM
    so its a good record...but the band arent covering the same ground they used to...are they?
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    10/13/2004 9:33 PM
    Hi again OPTIMUS: Your grand, it was cheesy! Not meant that way but it was! MUTCH will agree. OPTIMUS: If you have had bad experience within the Industry so to speak, I say "so to speak" of the Industry as I believe that word is debatable when it comes to Ireland, however if you have had bad experiecnes then they are probably justified, it does spit you out when swallowed... I just wont be letting that happen to me, or this band. No offence taken and I was not being thick with ya upon replying. All good man. Am glad you would support it. I expect to have some news on this very soon as to who the headline act is & additional groups playing. KERB i got that thank you. Will be in touch tomorrow.
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    10/14/2004 2:27 PM
    "And yes, KERB,I have been part of the industry. I've been chewed up and spat out by the f*cking industry, so dont tell me how it works. I didnt give up. I kept going and it got me f*ck all. So dont lecture me on the politics of the industry" OPTIMUS: I think i my quote said "if you have any knowledge of the industry you will know how hard it is to get yourself out there and the post is right, you do have to just do it" so i didnt mean to come across as lecturing you. Anyway, its going ahead and the bill is superb from what we hear so will let Carlsberg do the rest as we have already spoken. Best to all and get out there when its announced and have a great night
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    10/14/2004 2:38 PM
    I apologise for going off on one. I was having a bad day and all that jazz.
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    10/20/2004 1:12 AM
    Am new to all this but this is post is intriguing. Firstly, why would you feel the need to do something like this? Apart from being a massive financial burden on you which am sure it is, is it not something that will come to you in time & that you should wait for? Are there not venues that you could play and easily fill without the need to take on the Olympia? How ambitious is that to think you could fill the Olympia? Then again, what if you waited? Are you trying to tell the Irish Music industry that you wont wait and that your going to try and do something, lets say, beyond the norm? I dont think this is like the "play the point" thing.. i think this is more of a statement, and a pretty big one at that...What if you do fill the Olympia!!? Would it be good for the Irish music scene?... I think it would actually. Why? No idea but i do believe it would be good. I think its arrogant, but maybe your not arrogant, I think is selfish to expect it to be supported but maybe you dont just expect it to be & maybe you know you will have to "show us the goods" as in the music before we go. However, I think its F*****G brilliant and am looking forward to whenever you announce it. Ambitious, confident, arrogant... but heartfelt..... well impressed! Just the thoughts of a new member!
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    10/20/2004 8:40 AM
    Unfortunately, as it stands, just playing places like Eamon Dorans, The Temple Bar Music Centre et al. You need to hit big places. Get you name in lights at the places and invite all the A & R meat bodies you can. Waiting for it to happen and ticking over in small venues doesnt work anymore. It mighta done in the 70's and late 80's, but people have themselves become more arrogant. So in order to make it, you need to stand out to them the most. Good point though.
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    10/20/2004 8:49 AM
    Fair enough. Maybe they manage to fill the olympia. Good luck to them if they do and I think they might. But what next ? Its a giant step forward but how do you manage to keep the momentum going to prevent an equally giant step backwards ?
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    10/20/2004 9:14 AM
    anyone know who they are by the way? Or any ideas? Klootfan, where do you go from there? Your right... I would wonder though, they must be good at least if they think they can pull this off right? I mean you would know if you had music to connect with an audience of that size that you had better be spot on or else your going to burn? Optimus, isn't it a sad state when you gotta do something as impressive as it is? Cheers guys
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    10/20/2004 9:20 AM
    Klootfan, The next step is to throw ethics out the window. You can have records and cd's pressed on the cheap from the foreign market. Produce an EP or 2. Get em sold and keep the finances going. We all know that unsigned bands dont get THAT much revenue from ticket sales. So keep the band ticking over via other means. Jesus, even sponsorship can help. You think people thank instrument companies in the liner notes because they like the brand? Their sponsored by the companies. Keep the band ticking over with cash, push yourself as much as you can. You've got to spend money to get noticed. And finally, be original. We've got enough Coldplays and Keanes...Be original. Make some GOOD music.
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    10/20/2004 10:58 AM
    Ok, ive signed up to the idea. It will be interesting to see how it pans out anyway.
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    10/20/2004 10:59 AM
    My God, when will this pompous, self-indulgent thread ever end?
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    10/20/2004 12:20 PM
    Never...It's too fantastic and I write amazing stuff about the topic so there!
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    10/20/2004 2:56 PM
    its funny how kerb wrote two different posts from two different perspectives. its funny how many 'new' members there is on this praising the original poster. its funny how carlsberg posted a gig about Jove on another thread. its all funny.
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    10/20/2004 4:44 PM
    I think part of the satisfaction of doing something ambitious as an unsigned act or organisation is watchin the rage building in the green eyed spazo contingent on every web board, they go nuts and cant wait to share their oh so informed regurgitated wisdom out for all to see ....its hilarious .....look ya pack of f**ks if ya dont like it dont support it , why go out of your way to sound like a spanner and tell the world how crap and pointless everything is? (Thats rhetorical ( i.e does not require a response)...resist the urge to Splurge) Anyway G'luk with it all Carlsberg hope its as worthwhile and as genuine as it sounds..... In my opinion ya shouldnt have changed your post, you shouldn't curb your enthusiasm for any of the begrudging f**ks anywhere...do ya think they're gonna support ya anyway???? They wouldnt know how!. Now back to reading Naomi Klein, my asparagus sandwich, honey and hint of morning dew tea, I'l' see you guys in Coffee Society later and we can share a mocha latte esspresso delux in a John Rocha terracotta mug.
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    10/20/2004 4:47 PM
    Im new here cause I need a band member .....I have a vested and declared interest .....make my death slow and painless. Thanks that is all.
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    10/20/2004 10:39 PM
    As i opened my reply in the "gig announcements" concerning a gig in Crawdaddy, i open with similiar statement here. "Can we all chill out a little"!!. VANDALA: If your only contribution to this post is to call it "self indulgent" then please dont post here anymore as its not really getting anywhere. Either voice an opinion, be it pro or against or dont voice anything. Am not trying to quell your freedom of speech but that reply really didnt need to be said. I cant answer something which is called "self indulgent" and in fairness i think i have let the topic flow, have not tried to reignite it, spoken only when i felt i really needed to & let people do the reigniting, and it shows, its still here nearly 2 weeks later. The whole purpose of placing this post up was to get peoples reaction and if you want to blame someone for it still being topical blame "thirdplace"! He started it again! (Sorry thirdplace!) KIERRY: Stop with the conspiracy theories.. I, through this post, now have spoken to KIRB and he is vocal in his support. We dont sit together and line up the answers & i dont rejoin under new names... There is one person posting for this event and thats me, the rest is mostly brilliant feedback... heated, but brilliant. OPTIMUS: It was cheesy wasn't it!! But you do write good stuff and its honest and open and fair play, thats all we want. TRIGGER: Welcome to cluas and i am still pissing myself laughing from your first reply on the subject, i get what you mean, really i do. Listen guys in order to maybe take the post away from those who are annyoed about it, maybe start emailing me.. have received alot on email but Optimus, Mutch, Trigger, Klootfan(thanks for signing up!!)Thethirdplace,(kerb already knows all, ok conspiracy theorists)spurtacus etc and anyone i have forgotten, redelephantmusic@yahoo.co.uk and i can start to fill you in if you wish. Sorry if the post has made people mad!
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    10/20/2004 11:58 PM
    i is mad!!! You blamed me for reigniting your post! I hate getting blamed for anything. It was worth reigniting Carlsberg. As trigger says, F*** the begrudgers. Valid objections are that, valid, objections like" your self indulgent" are that, self indulgent. Someone earlier in the post warned you there might be a little bit of jealousy.... its creeping in. I signed up too and emailed ya..
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    10/21/2004 8:55 AM
    just shut up the lot o' ye's!
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    10/21/2004 9:20 AM
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    I think part of the satisfaction of doing something ambitious as an unsigned act or organisation is watchin the rage building in the green eyed spazo contingent on every web board, they go nuts and cant wait to share their oh so informed regurgitated wisdom out for all to see ....its hilarious .....look ya pack of f**ks if ya dont like it dont support it , why go out of your way to sound like a spanner and tell the world how crap and pointless everything is? (Thats rhetorical ( i.e does not require a response)...resist the urge to Splurge) Anyway G'luk with it all Carlsberg hope its as worthwhile and as genuine as it sounds..... In my opinion ya shouldnt have changed your post, you shouldn't curb your enthusiasm for any of the begrudging f**ks anywhere...do ya think they're gonna support ya anyway???? They wouldnt know how!. Now back to reading Naomi Klein, my asparagus sandwich, honey and hint of morning dew tea, I'l' see you guys in Coffee Society later and we can share a mocha latte esspresso delux in a John Rocha terracotta mug.
    Congratulations...You've just joined the "green eyed spazo contingent" who "go nuts and cant wait to share their oh so informed regurgitated wisdom out for all to see"
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    10/21/2004 10:05 AM
    Optimus your post is wasted on me....are you a drummer? Thanks for the welcome there Carlsberg ...know any drummers? Spartacus I'll shut up if you play drums for me?. Thanks Trev
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    10/21/2004 10:22 AM
    i's jus tellin' it like it is.
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    10/21/2004 12:33 PM
    Tell me this ...are you a drummer by any chance? ok I'll get my coat
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    10/21/2004 12:34 PM
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    Optimus your post is wasted on me....are you a drummer? Thanks for the welcome there Carlsberg ...know any drummers? Spartacus I'll shut up if you play drums for me?. Thanks Trev
    I'm not sure that I like the cut of your jib, son. Yes I am a drummer. But first and foremost, a bassist. Why?
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    10/21/2004 12:38 PM
    now now you two... be nice... all drummers i know TRIGGER are either spoken for or missing.. does that sound familiar? lets call it a day on the post what ya think? Am about to confirm line up & date next week anyway so we can do it all again!! Oh joy says ye all. KIERRY: Your not telling it like it is... your guessing and your wrong. Later and thanks for all the comments guys. TRIGGER/OPTIMUS give me a mail will ye so i can update you directly if you want to be.
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    10/21/2004 1:10 PM
    Optimus ...My jib was never gonna win me any friends, of all things I was blessed with a likable jib was not one of them .... I doubt Im young enough to be your son... my reason for being here is to look for a drummer, in err I started spouting gobs of web muck .. Carlsberg , my mail is trev@gigsmartireland.com I would like to be kept up to date on the gig and will most likely attend with some cohorts to show a bit of support....That is if I havent found a drummer and have him/her under 24 hr surveillance. All the best Trev
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    10/21/2004 2:29 PM
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    its funny how kerb wrote two different posts from two different perspectives. its funny how many 'new' members there is on this praising the original poster. its funny how carlsberg posted a gig about Jove on another thread. its all funny.
    i laughed anyway.
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    10/22/2004 1:06 AM
    quote:
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    its funny how kerb wrote two different posts from two different perspectives. its funny how many 'new' members there is on this praising the original poster. its funny how carlsberg posted a gig about Jove on another thread. its all funny.
    Have spoken with promoter on phone Kierry. Two posts with two perspectives? Explain. Great to see "new"members in here. Thats all my input on this post. See you @ Olympia.


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