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American bluegrass
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QsySue
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3/5/2004 5:22 PM
    Sorry if it's off topic, but I'm wondering how bluegrass is regarded in Ireland? Popular at all?
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    3/8/2004 9:52 AM
    It's quite popular in Cork as far as I know, I have an uncle down there that plays banjo and he's a big Bluegrass fan.
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    3/9/2004 7:24 PM
    There are a lot of similarities to Irish folk IMO but I'm always drawing strange comparisons that only make sense to me. :)
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    3/9/2004 8:05 PM
    You would think there'd be more of an interest over here, given that the basic instrument set-up, and a lot of the melodies, are shared between Irish trad and bluegrass. A very good weekend festival runs in Omagh in September. I'd heartily recommend it to any bluegrass fans, check out : http://www.folkpark.com/whats_on/events/?article=477 Oh yeah, and Gillian Welch always sells out here.
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    3/10/2004 1:37 PM
    I thought Bluegrass was something you got at one of those dodgy coffee shops in Amsterdam until - way back in October 2001 – I attended the Lake Eden Arts festival (http://www.theleaf.com/) in North Carolina and discovered the fuss was all about. At the festival I found myself in the living room of a big stone house that had been temporarily converted in to a venue and, as I hung out down the back drinking mulled wine surrounded by a bunch of pick-up truck driving Eco-Warriors, this remarkable 4-piece act stood up and played a jaw-dropping set of - yes - Bluegrass music. For the life of me I can't remember the name of the band but they knocked me for six. They had only one of those old style microphones and – like in those period movies – they would each take turns to step up close to it to amplify their instrument / harmony contribution. As QsySue mentioned, it was indeed clear from what they played that there was a clear relationship between this genre and Irish trad / folk but (and purleese excuse me as I posture here and get all serious and pretentious) what soon occurred to me as I listened to them in awe was that so much of what is considered the great music of modern times – be it Dylan, Springsteen, U2, The Stones, Elvis Costello, The Beach Boys, REM, whatever you’re having yourself - could trace itself back to this Bluegrass, whether the artists knew it or not. Bluegrass I realised stood upstream of all the great music in the 2nd half of the 20th Century and its influence flowed down and nobody (well, not me at least) was noticing. There you go. Beat that for pretence. And s**te-spouting. eoghan
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    3/10/2004 2:39 PM
    Well I thought that was beautifully said, Eoghan, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who appreciates bluegrass. :) I discovered it when I was looking for covers of Peter Gabriel's song "In Your Eyes." I downloaded a bunch of songs with that title, many of which weren't related to his song at all, since it's a popular song title. I burned them to cd and listened to them in my car. One was a bluegrass song, and before I could finish thinking, "What is this cheesy hill-billy music" I was completely hooked. I quickly looked up who it was and discovered it was Alison Krauss, recorded when she was only 16. If anyone isn't familiar with bluegrass, a good place to start is the soundtrack to the movie O Brother, Where Art Thou? Some of which is by Alison and/or her band members, plus Gillian Welch and Emmy Lou Harris, and some old time country performers as well.
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    3/11/2004 12:09 PM
    Interesting thread. One of my favourite singer songwriters (and surely under-rated) is Steve Earle. In 1999 he teamed up with the Del McCoury band to make a record called The Mountain. What an utterly charming record this is - I still find myself smiling in amazement at the musicianship displayed on it. In fact, the closing song "Pilgrim" with Earle singing and backing vocals from Emmylou Harris and Gillian Welch is one of the most beautiful songs ever recorded. This song made its way onto the closing credits of one of the loveliest movies of recent years, You Can Count On Me. Highly highly recommended. And thanks to whoever started this thread for making me dig out both of these fantastic records.
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    3/11/2004 12:20 PM
    Haha, so I've been listening to bluegrass all this time and never realised it! I love the O Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack and keep meaning to get around to buy some Gillian Welchs albums. I currently only have MP3 copies of her albums (duck! here comes the RIAA ). Its like back around 1995 when I started to get into the Chemical Brothers and Leftfield but didn't think of it as dance music because it was so different to the scooter style happy hardcore techno all my schoolmates were listening to. I really am clueless when it comes to genres sometimes So in answer to your question "is bluegrass big in Ireland?", I'd say that if Gillian Welch can be filed under bluegrass, then its got a good following down in Cork. I believe here last concert in Cork (which I was unable to go to ) was pretty much sold out.
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    3/11/2004 2:01 PM
    Gillian's Dublin gig last August was the finest I'd seen in the capital in many a year. Grown men reduced to tears (may have been the Guinness) with her version of 'Dear Someone'. That guy David Rawlings is the real deal; his guitar looks like it was made in an Appalachian woodshed two hundred years ago! Knowledgeable folks can excuse me while I make one vital recommendation for anyone interested in old time and bluegrass. The famous Harry Smith Anthology of American Folk Music is a must-have. It sparked the coffeehouse folk revival of the 1960s (it provided dylan baez and all with the bulk of their early setlists) and T Bone Burnette freely admits to using it as a template for his soundtrack work, on Oh Brother and Cold Mountain too. More info at http://www.folkways.si.edu/harry/hsa.htm
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    3/11/2004 3:48 PM
    Wow, thanks for that recommendation, Thin Man, I'm going to have to locate a copy of that. I'm gonna have to get my hands on that Steve Earle record, too. I recently saw him play, opening for Jackson Browne, and liked him a lot.
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    3/12/2004 8:54 PM
    you all will like this artist- jolie holland. you can listen to her 1st 'release' (you'll understand the quotes if you read her site a bit) at www.jolieholland.com. and she's out with a fabulous new release in april called 'escondida'. catch her while you can, you'll feel like you're listening to a timeless artist.
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    3/13/2004 11:30 AM
    Jolie Holland sounds really interesting, but her cd is out of print unfortunately. Will just have to await the successor disc I guess.
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    3/13/2004 6:21 PM
    i think that is just the cdbaby link. should be available from the bigger places now. cdbaby was the original "pre-release" site before the anti~ label "re-released-the-pre-release-release"! ;o) if you get your hands on the original one, you get an additional song attached to wandering angus because she didn't want to wait for a release to be worked out. have fun- and just don't actually describe her music as "bluegrass" or "folk" as she'll deny it!
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    3/13/2004 6:24 PM
    Thanks for the heads up on Jolie, she's great.
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    3/14/2004 1:28 PM
    She sounds very like Karen Dalton, the late NY folksinger. I think she was also described as the bluegrass Bille Holiday. She was a close friend of Fred Neil too - and covered a lot of his stuff. Worth investigating if yr folkie inclined.
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    3/15/2004 1:49 PM
    check out a bluegrass band from Dublin: http://www.prisonlove.info the 2 mahoneys were in school with me!
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    3/15/2004 6:14 PM
    Cool, wish they had music samples!
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    4/12/2004 4:46 PM
    I know this topic is a little old but I've never posted to this board before even though I read it regularly and bluegrass is something I've really gotten into since I first heard Alison Krauss about 8 years ago. If you’re interested in bluegrass I would say that these would be essential… To get into bluegrass O Brother soundtrack is an excellent start. Alison Krauss and Union Station have so many albums at this stage but "New Favorite" and their live DVD are superb. She also plays with The Cox Family who are really good as well. Gillian Welch is so cool and I am still sore that I couldn't go to her last Dublin gig – “Soul Journey” her newest and probably most popular but “Time the Revelator” has the brilliant "I want to play that Rock n'Roll" which is one of my all time fav songs her other albums revival and hell among the yearlings are produced by t bone burnett and are also superb. Steve Earle and Del McCoury's “The Mountain” is excellent and the Del Mc Coury band have other albums 2 of which I bought but don't listen to much. Rhonda Vincent is good too and Amazon have 3 free mp3s available from her which are well worth checking out. The Chieftains’ “another country” and “down the plank road” are excellent as is anything by Ricky Skaggs or Doc Watson - they've a newish album "the three pickers" with Earl Skruggs which is excellent. Anything by Bela Fleck and the Flecktones are really excellent Other albums that I think are superb bluegrass are Dixie Chick's Home (way better than you'd think - especially instrumental lil' jack slade which won country instrumental grammy), Nickel Creek, nitty gritty dirt band…..
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    4/13/2004 4:31 PM
    yes. prison love are a great band. wholly entertaining. go along and check them out live if you can. i have only seen them once but it was a memorable night.
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    4/13/2004 5:19 PM
    As a matter of interest, where is the line between Americana and Bluegrass? I thought bluegrass would be more O Brother Where Art Thou teritory whereas the likes of Steve Earle and Gillian Welch are more country rock, for want of a better description.
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    4/14/2004 9:21 PM
    I'm not exactly an expert, but from what I can tell, anything that uses a banjo, fiddle, mandolin or dobro gets branded bluegrass! Gillian probably isn't strictly bluegrass, but the subjects she sings about sure lend her to it. Some of these genres have blurry lines to me.
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    4/16/2004 9:01 AM
    Gillian has crossed some borders, but her sound is a long way from the country rock of, say, Lucinda Williams or Emmylou Harris. And her Hell Among The Yearlings album has its heart buried deep in bluegrass...the instrumentation is very stripped down on that record too.. It's a moot point though - everyone should be off getting their ticket to see her at Vicar Street...her performance there was gig of the year last year, for me at least.
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    4/16/2004 4:26 PM
    Yes Gillian is back in Dublin - 24th of July, Vicar St. Another gig I can't wait for are the Cowboy Junkies on June 1st Hell among the yearlings is certainly bluegrassy especially songs like caleb myer. The grammy nominations put her under contemporary folk. So I guess you could call it anything. Country music is getting so mixed up with genres - Daniel O'Donnell is called country but he's awfully different to Hank Williams, Willie Nelson or Toby Keith. Johnny Cash's American recordings and the recordings on unearthed from that time aren't really country but you could hardly call them rock. I suppose you could call it Folk..... The more I think about these things the more my head hurts :-) It's a bit like what the guy (can't remember his name!) in last week's Sunday Times said about the iPod when debating it with Bryan Appleyard - it's the refuge for people who'd rather make lists than listen to the music. Getting anal about fitting people into exact genres who are really too good to contain is the same. Not that anyone here is doing that or anything :-) .........
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    4/16/2004 4:36 PM
    I must step in there on the auld Ipod. A friend picked up one for me in the States (for about 150 euro cheaper than here & without the decibel restriction). It is 20 gigs and I have about 500 tracks on so far. At the current rate, I reckon I'll get about 5000 in all. Anyhow, I digress. The point is lists are for losers (Except of course out fantastic Top 50 Irish Albums poll http://www.cluas.com/bestalbums/vote.htm ). I set it to "Shuffle" and haven't touched it since. It is the best thing since bread was sliced - a journey through your record collection every day. I have yet to feel the need to setup a playlist. I am also busy MP3ing Hell AMong The Yearlings as a result of this thread to choke it on there. Seriously though, an Ipod is just the dogs if you have a load of albums/mp3s
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    4/17/2004 3:28 PM
    I'm just jealous 'cos I really want one too. I justify this desire by thoroughly agreeing with shuffle mode - the only way to go!
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    4/22/2004 4:30 PM
    Bluegrass is very popular in Ireland because its roots are in Ireland. It was a form of music that originally travelled over with the Emigrants who settled in Kentucky (The Bluegrass State). Niall Toner, and CMA nominee, is the foremost practitioner of it in Ireland and he is playing at this year's Kilkenny Roots Festival on the May bank holiday weekend. You should check him out Just remember, Satan is real ! The Rev


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