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28 Sep 2004 09:12 AM
    EVERYTHING TO SHUT AT 1:30am!!! As most of you are probably aware by now, the Gardai are planning to shut down every pub and club in the country at 1:30 am in a bid to curb alcohol related crimes. Senior Gardai have been holding secret talks for a number of weeks now and the way they intend to do this by opposing the renewals of all bar/club extensions in court this Wednesday. The very slightly staggered closing hours we currently have in Dublin slightly eases the problem of having everybody on the street at once but if this were to be introduced then it would logically, and ironically, probably make the situation even worse. 2am blanket closing hours have already been introduced in Cork and Limerick and reports say that it has clearly worsened the the end of night situation there. If this goes through then you will be out on the street with a lot of other frustrated and drunk people at 1:30am with no hope of a taxi home. If this goes through then there will potentially be up to 2000 people in Dublin alone, who work in the nightclub industry out of a job when their place of work closes as it is unable to compete. If this goes through, it will seriously affect the tourist industry. If this goes through then its curtains for going out in any serious way. Infact, this is more than about just going out, this is curtailment of your civil liberties. Were a great nation of moaners but this time we have to act. If we sit back on this then they will walk all over us. There is a growing tide of discontent already, and some of the things you can do already are... Sign the online petition It will only take a moment http://www.petitiononline.com/night269/petition.html Text Petition This has been setup by the Irish Nightclubs Association. Text dance + your name (i.e. dancejohndoe) to 51500 Radio Listen to the radio shows in the morning. Gerry Ryan on 2FM (90fm) Pat Kenny on RTE1 (88fm), Newstalk (106fm) and whatever else you listen to across the country. This will be a hot topic over the next week or so and its important that people know we care. There was already a poll done on the Gerry Ryan show today and there was an overwhelming 'no' vote against all this (only 1 person voted yes!) so people are getting motivated on this. Email Email all your friends about this. This effects everybody, no matter where they go out. Tell them about the petitions and radio. Its so important people don't get complacent on this. Media In the form of letters to the editor etc. Let them know how you are thinking. Some people you could email are... ray@todayfm.com michael.cahill@tv3.ie dunphy@newstalk106.ie dave@2FM.ie gerryryan@2fm.ie If anyone else can think of any ways that we can make our voice heard please post on this thread. Thanks.
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    28 Sep 2004 09:34 AM
    It's a f**king outrage what this government are doing to us. I was on holiday in Italy recently where they serve alcohol through the night and there's never any trouble. Closing all licensed premises at 01.30 will not solve any problems, just make everything worse.
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    28 Sep 2004 09:40 AM
    Last time I was in a pub in Dublin it closed at midnight. When did i change to a later time and why's there an outrage on pubs staying open until 1.30am? I'd be happy for the extra hour & a half pub time.
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    28 Sep 2004 09:44 AM
    Optimus, this will affect clubs and music venues too. Thats the real issue here, it won't have much of an effect on your conventional pubs. Ireland has no proper licensing structure in place for clubs, they basically operate on a combination of different licenses, well so I've been told anyway.
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    28 Sep 2004 09:49 AM
    But dont most gigs finish around 12.30 anyway? I cant sympathise with the nightclub scene because it's not MY scene.
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    28 Sep 2004 09:49 AM
    nothing the gardai do surprises me anymore - this is such a shortsighted approach to the matter. anything to avoid having to do any real work by the boys and girls in blue. we all see the gardai avoiding the hotspots at night time - why do taxi ranks go unmanned when they are so obviously dangerous after closing time?? NEWSFLASH! this won't change by bringing the time forward! this will truly become the age of the house party and off-licences will stand to make a killing - contributing once again to unsupervised drinking by all ages. the plan for winter 2004: 8pm - my gaff for a few, get a cheap buzz goin, smoke if ya want. 10pm - 1am - lets go to the pub, and see how many pints we can get in before the taliban closes the bar. better make them shorts in fact. 1.30am - back to whose gaff? ok. damn nitelink is full. 1.31am - hey man, thats our taxi. 1.33am - ouch. ouch. 3.25am - sorry we're late, no taxi's. any ice for my face? 3.30am - call the guards? for what?! they're all in bed by now and i dont feel like being treated a villain for calling them.
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    28 Sep 2004 10:48 AM
    I think the gardi and government should focus their energy on solving the heroin problem in Ireland first. I don't have any facts or figures but I'm pretty sure heroin in the cities its the major source of crime in Dublin at the moment. Also, I agree with you John, closing the bars early will just brings back the messin by a couple of hours.
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    28 Sep 2004 11:00 AM
    Here is a radical suggestion - why don't they arrest the 5% of trouble makers rather than victimising the 95% of us who enjoy our few pints and don't feel the need to kick seven shades of sh*te out of random punters. A simple question - when is the last time anyone saw a garda after 10PM in Dublin? They should be out there, locking the chavs up, hitting them with big fines rather than thinking up rediculous suggestions like this . McDowel would want to take a long hard look at his actions. Kill Happy hours - zero impact. No cheap booze - zero impact. The reason the licening hours were extended a few years ago was to ensure that everyone wasn't chucked out at the same time...now this? They should start doing what they are supposed to do which is police the community rather than trying every avenue to avoid it. /rant
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    28 Sep 2004 11:26 AM
    The main reason Ireland has such a drinking problem is because of a time limit on drinking. You are told that you are only allowed to drink between x and y and therefore people try and drink as much as they can in that time period. If we had 24 hour drinking then over time ( it might take a few years) things would take a turn for the better. there is bound to be an initial abuse of it, thats to be expected, but lets face it, we wont all be wandering into work at 9.30 everyday of the week just after leaving the night club. We wont have the energy for it. The problem of violence on the streets at night is a combination of too much alcohol and the fact that thousands of people are thrown on to the streets at the same time fighting for the same food joints and taxis. Its crazy. When one of the main streets in dublin, dame st, is busier at 3am in the morning the 1.30 on a sat, then you know you have a problem. As for the Gardai, what right have they to trying an enforce a self made moral rule on us. Only a month or two ago they were raiding night clubs in galway for shows they felt were not fit for public consumption, however, when was the last time you saw a politicians house raided for planning corruption. I blame Michael McDull (sic) myself, i used to have a lot of respect for him, but now i wouldnt give him the time of day. How does he, as a non drinking, know how to solve the binge drinking problems of the country. Its one more nail in the coffin of our freedom to live our lives our own way without interference from politicians.
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    28 Sep 2004 12:09 PM
    Next I suppose they'll ban socialising altogether. That way there'll be no alcohol-related violence etc. There are people out there who criticise people like George W Bush yet go out and vote for Fianna Fail. Maybe they deserve what they get
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    28 Sep 2004 12:11 PM
    it'll happen, but it wont last. tourism will be compensated by what...oh yes , the hunt. sweet. nice one. pd's=scum of earth. uot in the next election with the help of god.
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    28 Sep 2004 12:15 PM
    It's just another one of those cop outs that the Irish government always seem to go for. Instead of tackling a problem at root level they come up with big plans to change society in a matter of weeks. It's totally unrealistic as it goes against every grain of human nature to change that quickly. Education about drink and all the other social problems that we face today is the only way I see us being able to make posetive changes. Draconian laws just put everyones' back up, introducing another reason to adopt the "I'll show him" attitude is not what this country needs. The publicans have to take their share of responsibility for this aswell though. They're perfectly happy to get someone jarred but if that person starts trouble they're straight out on the street to cause more trouble there. Something does have to be done about the situation in Dublin city on weekend nights but a knee jerk reaction like this is not the answer
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    28 Sep 2004 12:40 PM
    Thats why I moved out of Ireland.
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    28 Sep 2004 12:42 PM
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    Thats why I moved out of Ireland.
    Drinking or consistently stupid governments?
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    28 Sep 2004 12:48 PM
    I dont like even the most remotely suppressive government. I used to love Dublin, then the Celtic Tiger came along and wrecked it. Now it's over crowded, over rude(generally) and it doesnt know it's arse from it's elbow. I had to get out. S'why I moved to Manchester.
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    28 Sep 2004 12:50 PM
    I would've thought that would've been a case of out of the frying pan into the fire. There must be some pretty draconian laws over there to counteract terrorism?
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    28 Sep 2004 01:00 PM
    Dublin is grand if you can ignore all the idiots eating al fresco (next to a busy street with artic trucks spewing fumes onto their paninis!!i ask you?) gettin out of yer hed is one of the things that makes us irish in the eyes of many europeans ive met.(you know, real europeans, from like spain and such) mcdull is part o fthe ascendancy class so he doesnt like the irish tag. born in a barn doesnt mean im a donkey and all that rubbish. i do think its silly though. i went to college. i still cant afford a car, a house, and now i wont be able to go our and get messed up to compensate for this? other than the great countryside we have that thankfully most people dont seem to be aware of, this country has very little to offer anymore other than tax breaks for multinationals and a relaxed attitude to serious matters and a hysterical attitude to light hearted matter. still love it here though, its like living in a truman show esque comedy of errors!!! sorry, im on the cofee again.
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    28 Sep 2004 01:32 PM
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    EVERYTHING TO SHUT AT 1:30am!!! As most of you are probably aware by now, the Gardai are planning to shut down every pub and club in the country at 1:30 am in a bid to curb alcohol related crimes.
    Glad to hear it. About time something was done about booze related crime in this country. I hope it is not the last measure to be taken. We should pause to remember a young man called Brian Murphy who was kicked to death outside a prominent Dublin night club few years ago. I often drive home late at night from work through the centre of the city at the weekend and the roads and pavements are awash with drunks. I think the Gardai could be a lot tougher than they are at the moment in this area and I have no sympathy for nightclub owners or publicans.
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    28 Sep 2004 01:44 PM
    you think beer is the reason he died?
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    28 Sep 2004 01:49 PM
    sorry, i cant wait for your reply. I myself blame television and rap cds. sorry, must make myself clear here. if being out late and drunk is all it takes to turn a human into a murderer then what kind of faith can you have in the species? sick is sick, beer doesnt change that.
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