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Last Post 9/12/2004 3:44 PM by  An Fear
Theory on burning/copying cds
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El Duderino
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9/15/2004 9:38 AM
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El Duderino, you still don't need a PC to copy music. Tape decks still work for a start, there are hi-fis with inbuilt CD recorders, and now even MP3 players are starting to offer not just playback but inbuilt recording and MP3 encoding.
Granted, but who wants to listen to tapes anymore? The point I was trying to make is that it was alot easier and cheaper to make copies of albums when the technology was less advanced yet we never heard the record industry giving it the poor mes to the extent that they do now a days. I've got this thing about having a proper copy of any album that I like and that seems to be the case for alot of other music lovers. On the Britney Spears point, Stealing is stealing but when you take into account how much money she already has made you'll excuse me if I don't shed a tear. Anyway, it's pirate CD sales that are taking money out of her pocket not MP3s. I was refering more to the likes of the Strokes and the hives etc. when I refered to "mainstream" bands. Ultimately it doesn't hurt them
Earthhorse
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9/15/2004 1:05 PM
I disagree that music isn't selling because good music isn't being released anymore. Kerbdog and Whipping Boy were two great Irish acts from the nineties who released some pretty astounding songs. Did they sell? Hell no. Not in significant amounts anyway. The only reason I really know about both those bands is because they're Irish. There are plenty of examples out there I'm sure of record companies backing decent bands and not seeing any return. In my humble opinion the network is f*cked up. You used to be able to hear decent music on the radio and, yes, even on MTV. But they've shyed away from anything less than mainstream in recent years and the results speak for themselves.
Binokular
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9/15/2004 1:13 PM
Lots of great music is being released, but the stuff that gets the big promotion and investment from the major labels tends to be mediocre. EMI ended up paying Mariah Carey not to make albums... probably one of their sounder business decisions! Large record companies seem to be reducing rather than increasing their roster of artists. Its the rise of small - medium sized labels thats bringing us a lot of todays interesting (and commercially successful!) music. However I do take your point about there being little outlet in mainstream TV/Radio for new music. I'm suprised no one has hired a laywer to throw the trade description act at MTV. Unless the M no longer stands for Music? Mediocre TV?
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9/15/2004 1:29 PM
Yeah, I know what you're saying. Part of the problem is that the market has changed. I don't know anyone who buys music based on marketing. That is to say I don't know any pre teens. Outside of them people buy what they hear (rather than what they listen to which is what the aficionado will do, actively seeking music he might like). So if all they hear on radio is the same old same old they'll only end up buying that, if anything at all.
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9/15/2004 2:27 PM
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I disagree that music isn't selling because good music isn't being released anymore
I agree that there is good music still being released but, the majority of releases (which is a truer representation of what's being released) are fairly tame. There are probably a million and one great bands out there that should get a chance and won't, and I agree with everyone who has said that this is part of a vicious circle, but I don't think it's an unbreakable circle. The internet is there for all to use and it's increasingly down to artists to "sell themselves" these days. It amazes me that there are no artists (to my knowledge) that have become a success due to pursuing their own career with the help of the net. This is something that has got to change if good, genuine music is gonna be readily available. The smaller labels are a breath of fresh air but they are usually very unstable by nature, just waiting to get swallowed up by the big boys. I would argue that it is more important to get a good manager or someone to help you along the way than to get signed up by a record label. End of rant
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9/15/2004 5:33 PM
To the best of my knowledge Danger Mouse (guy who did that Jay-Z/Beatles Grey album thing) got off the ground via the web. On the no good music being released anymore thing, I didn't mean to imply that I was just paraphrasing Yorke's reponse to the majors whining, but the bigger labels do seem to be playing it safer with their releases of "credible" music, we're living in an age where Keane and Coldplay can release albums and have them labled as "indie-rock", and I'm not just saying this because I dislike those bands. OK, I don't like Keane but I am partial to a few Coldplay songs but "indir-rock" they are not.
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