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Ciarán Ryan

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9/15/2006 9:30 AM
Jimbo Carroll clearly not a fan of Humanzi! http://www.ireland.com/theticket/articles/2006/0915/1158001563479.html

Pol

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9/15/2006 9:55 AM
Hes Got a point .

Una

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9/15/2006 10:33 AM
IMO, he's spot on.

Ruby

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9/15/2006 11:24 AM
I Fkn Love Tremors.

Antistar

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9/15/2006 11:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ciarán Ryan Jimbo Carroll clearly not a fan of Humanzi! http://www.ireland.com/theticket/articles/2006/0915/1158001563479.html Who is? They're awful.

Pol

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9/15/2006 11:58 AM
Saw them supporting The Strokes and i just kinda nothing them . Havent liked any of the stuff theve done so far single wise ,havent heard the album but the songs sound hookless and the video,s are boring the exact opposite of the immediate .

Una

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9/15/2006 12:04 PM
I don't think it's a question of being a fan or not from Carroll's point of view. He's perfectly objective in the column.

benni

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9/15/2006 12:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pol Saw them supporting The Strokes and i just kinda nothing them . Havent liked any of the stuff theve done so far single wise ,havent heard the album but the songs sound hookless and the video,s are boring the exact opposite of the immediate . The new vid is pretty damn class from what I've seen - should be out soon. They're a completley different kind of band to The Immediate anyway - I dont think ive ever heard their names together in an articel apart fromt the fact that they're both from Dublin. Comparing them is pretty pointless IMO.

Ciarán Ryan

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9/15/2006 12:06 PM
Loads of perils from Carroll here but this is my fav: "The blather about the band over the last year just could not persuade a large swathe of the Irish and British public to purchase this latest take on the emperor's new leather trousers".

Una

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9/15/2006 12:14 PM
I think the methodology in comparing them is basically used in order to compare style and substance. Carroll is coming for a music journalists perspective, and music jornos are fed an awful lot of s**t from record labels in bumf and spin and a lot of the times just funny and ridiulous lies. I'm sure Carroll, like many other journos has had his fill of the PR-ese that has surrounded Humanzi in the past year. In fairness, it's probably not the bands' fault, but their label and their PR machine. What Carroll proves though in his comparrison is that without a PR machine, if the music is good, it will still reach people, even though it is far harder to get heard.

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9/15/2006 12:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una I don't think it's a question of being a fan or not from Carroll's point of view. He's perfectly objective in the column. Maybe, but unfortunately as he's made a point of singling them out for bashing on a few other occassions - he had a particualar rant about them on the Tom Dunne show that was pretty bitter and personal - it maybe appears more objective than I fear it is. It also looks like he's trying to create a war of words or whatever between the two bands in this particular article and that's pretty off. They're two entirely different bands using two different approaches - fair play to the Immediate for doing as well as they are. I'm pretty sure Humanzi think the same in relation to the Imediate and wish them the best. And one other thing that Jim Carroll has wrong in his article - Humanzi aren't getting the label support in the UK that he claims (what his source is on that I don't know - it sounds more like a presumption - not generally a good journalistic approach) and basically any profile they have they've created off their own back - here and abroad - with not a lot of help from their label.

Pol

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9/15/2006 12:35 PM
The new vid is pretty damn class from what I've seen - should be out soon. They're a completley different kind of band to The Immediate anyway - I dont think ive ever heard their names together in an articel apart fromt the fact that they're both from Dublin. Comparing them is pretty pointless IMO. Il keep an eye out for the new video / song Im not bashing them just havent liked what iv heard .

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9/15/2006 12:47 PM
IMO Humazani are not as bad as Caroll suggests, and neither are The Immediate as good as he suggests. quote: Originally posted by Una In fairness, it's probably not the bands' fault, but their label and their PR machine. Both Humanzi and The Immediate have the same PR company in Ireland. I guess different strategies were taken for both. The press release that accompanied Tremors was a laughable pile of s**te.

benni

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9/15/2006 12:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pol The new vid is pretty damn class from what I've seen - should be out soon. They're a completley different kind of band to The Immediate anyway - I dont think ive ever heard their names together in an articel apart fromt the fact that they're both from Dublin. Comparing them is pretty pointless IMO. Il keep an eye out for the new video / song Im not bashing them just havent liked what iv heard . Ah no of course - Each to their own ma fren! You cant force it if you just aren’t into a band! But the new video is great!

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9/15/2006 1:08 PM
jim's in danger of overhyping the immediate himself.

Binokular

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9/15/2006 1:51 PM
Utterly, utterly, stupid, needless, totally negative article that does nothing foe either band. It's obsessed with how much money was put into PR, record sale, commercial success, etc. None of thes things really say anything about either band that really matters. Sometimes it's luck of the draw, somtimes you don't achieve commercial success despite have everything stacked in your favour and sometimes you get lucky against all odds. What is this guy, a music journalist or just an industry commentator?

oh messy life

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9/15/2006 1:59 PM
quote: They're a completley different kind of band to The Immediate anyway - I dont think ive ever heard their names together in an articel apart fromt the fact that they're both from Dublin. Comparing them is pretty pointless IMO. I think you're missing the point. He never claims to be comparing the music...he's just comparing the facts about 2 albums from Dublin bands that were released at the same time with TOTALLY different approaches. It is interesting. In saying that, i'm not a fan of Humanzi or The Immediate (or of Jim Carroll's journalism for that matter) but it IS an interesting comparison. Although The Immediate AREN'T as independent as he'd like to make out...

Una

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9/15/2006 2:03 PM
" a music journalist or just an industry commentator?" surely both are interchangable

Protein biscuit

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9/15/2006 2:04 PM
I always take the Revolver and Discotheque columns as personal opinion pieces/rants about whatever is on the writers minds at the time. These articles are generally my favourites in The Ticket as they are, if nothing else, thought-provoking/polarsing from time to time. The main thing i took from this piece was that the writer was satisfied that good tunes outdid uber-hype. Not having heard The Immediate i can't agree or disagree with him. Having heard Humanzi, they don't strike me as being anything special.

Dromed

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9/15/2006 2:06 PM
Sorry he's NOT just taking an opportunity to make an interesting case study on two different bands and their respective career trajectories (or lack there of). He's already proved in other instances that he has a particualr gripe with a particular band and is using his position as a journalist with a national paper to vent some spleen. Now fair enough, he's entitled to discuss what he wants in his own column but to dress it up as objective observation is total b****x. Fair criticism is entirely acceptable, having an obvious agenda isn't.

oh messy life

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9/15/2006 2:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed He's already proved in other instances that he has a particualr gripe with a particular band and is using his position as a journalist with a national paper to vent some spleen. Oh really? I didn't realize that...haven't read The Ticket in years. Maybe that does invalidate it a bit then. I thought it was just an interesting case-study.

Una

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9/15/2006 2:30 PM
it is an interesting case study, but journalists aren't robots - of course they have different tastes and preferences - as Protein Biscuit said, it is an opinion piece, and, I think, a perfectly valid one. It is of course, unfortunate for Humanzi themselves as people that their careers as musicians mightn't be going as well as they like. They do seem to be incredibly hard-working and determined. The main reason that there is a substantial reaction to this column on a board like this is not that Jim Carroll is out of order, but that Humanzi - like every Irish band - are very close to home.

Peaches

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9/15/2006 2:45 PM
Jim Carroll can ask me left one.

Peaches

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9/15/2006 2:55 PM
It is not an interesting case study-if it were then it would read as a balanced article irrespective of journalistic opinion, when in fact it is yet another scathing and vindictive attack from this very bitter & immature hack.

Unicron

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9/15/2006 3:22 PM
It does raise one interesting issue. Have Humanzi been mishandled in terms of publicity and marketing in Ireland? When their deal was announced way back when it got people talking a lot about them but in the end it took (seemingly) forever to get the album out. Perhaps too much of a lag between the 2 events made people get bored of the band before they'd even bought the record? Additionally I don't think the style of campaign to market them did them many favours. It seemed to me that it was the sort of NME style hype campaign that would work in the UK but whether it's "Irish begrudgery" or just that we're less susceptible to these things but I don't think it did them many favours. Hope it works out for both them and The Immediate though.

benni

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9/15/2006 3:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Peaches It is not an interesting case study-if it were then it would read as a balanced article irrespective of journalistic opinion, when in fact it is yet another scathing and vindictive attack from this very bitter & immature hack. thats it isnt it When the ole discussion starts to get indepth on their haircuts and clothes I just switch off - its a fairly lazy argumentative point and one that is wholley tiresome to read at this point. the fact that some of the comments are quite vicious in approach take away any validity of the piece as a subjective article Of course journos have tastes but in fairness a professional journalist should note the difference between an article and a f**king letters page!

Peaches

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9/15/2006 4:09 PM
Benni as ever , you are a wise and wondrous soul.

Una

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9/15/2006 4:20 PM
who has an agenda here, in reality, a journalist commenting on an interesting situation of marketing and making music or fans of a band?

melvin cokane

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9/15/2006 4:23 PM
i used to go to see them live. thought they were brilliant in whelans around a year and a half ago therebouts. From an investing point of view, they have been pointless. 500 copies is dreadful. Not necessarily to say the band are dreadful, but the return in revenue for the amount spent is crap. And if I were the accountant at universal who was budgeting for their future expenditure I wouldn’t give them a bean. I have to say I am not terribly surprised, and this is not specifically because I dislike the band etc….. as I said I used to enjoy going to see them. The majority of debut albums hit high in the charts do so on the back of a successful single, normally speaking. And I know mtv2 played the videos, but I couldn’t tell you the last time I heard a humanzi single on the radio. And with the exception of the 500 punters who love local music I don’t know of any of my “neutral” friends (who would actively buy music but not necessarily be in temple bar every weekend) who have even heard of them. So from that point of view I’d agree with the sentiment of the article.

Peaches

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9/15/2006 4:26 PM
Once again, this is not a journalist commenting on an interesting marketing strategy. While there are obviously comments here from fans of the band -myself included- this was just another pathetic attempt by Jim Carroll to drag Humanzi's name through the mud. Regardless of what knowledge one has of the band, this is plain to see. There was no need whatsoever for it but begrudgery on his part.

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9/15/2006 4:29 PM
Well case-study it ain't.

Una

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9/15/2006 4:36 PM
ok, ok, I'm not going to argue on the behalf of someone, but I just think, unless you are actually a fan of the band (and personally I am a fan of very few bands to be honest, there's a difference between liking someone's music and being a fan, obviously), the article offers a pretty fair and interesting opinion. From a critic's point of view, I can see where he is coming from because with my music journalist's hat on, Humanzi were hyped, and one always has to be skeptical of hype, they were offered support slots of incredible value on the back of limited productivity, and as a journalist, one always has to question the reasons why something like this would happen. And finally, again, from a critic's point of view (and often, a critic's opinion of music is markedly different to a normal music buyer, given that they are exposed to far more material, generally speaking) Humanzi's music will always fall flat because it simply isn't of significant critical value. That's the way things go, that's why critics are critics because they generally favour the artistic / avant guarde merit of something over an attempt at mass appeal and that's why Antony & The Johnsons won the Mercury Music Prize and not the Kaiser Chiefs.

Pol

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9/15/2006 4:42 PM
Hmmmh i read the article again and as i was going down through it i was thinking whats the big deal ?? why is there people who thinkits an attack and then i got to this ....''The reason for the band's failure to connect with the public becomes clear when the needle hits the record. Humanzi turn out to be the bastard sons of the Golden Horde, hawking empty, ludicrous and exasperatingly banal Transition Year polemic about diet pills and magazines. Tremors contains absolutely nothing more than a lot of hot air and a very bad smell.'' Now that IS a bit harsh . If he has a problem the way they were handled or the persona's they use to sell records fair enough but it does turn into a bit of an attack here . Even though i have to agree with him .

Dromed

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9/15/2006 4:50 PM
So the backlash begins....but it still doesn't change the fact that Jim Carroll has slated the band from the start at any available opportunity.

benni

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9/15/2006 5:02 PM
One more on the obsession with their looks – which seems to ALWAYS find its way into discussions about them – I find it hilarious that whenever a band looks good, has attractive band members or wears nice clothes – or puts loads into their look on stage – it is ALWAYS used as a weapon against them. Yet go for the quiet introverted, inoffensive ‘I’m a delicate indieboy with jumper sleeves over my wrist’ – its like a f**king golden ticket.

melvin cokane

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9/15/2006 5:16 PM
I wouldnt say that they even look cool, whatever that is, but stick a photo of the strokes next to humanzi and its plain to see who looks more natural. The strokes look the part, humanzi look a bit silly. I think the failure of the band to shift more than 500 copies is partially down to the fact that they were touted as an image product more so than the music. I think they are probably nice guys and the times writer may have been a little personal but thats life and thats business. But its not as bad as someone not buying your record.I mean the very mention of the band in an article of a newspaper nationally circulated might prick a few ears to lean in their direction. but being honest and its the last i'll say on the issue, I dont think and never have thought that they were the best band in Dublin. I'd leave that to Delorentos....or Hybrazil...discuss :)

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9/15/2006 5:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by benni One more on the obsession with their looks – which seems to ALWAYS find its way into discussions about them – I find it hilarious that whenever a band looks good, has attractive band members or wears nice clothes – or puts loads into their look on stage – it is ALWAYS used as a weapon against them. Luckily for you guys, it will never be used as a weapon against Stagger Lee. ha ha. i kill myself.

benni

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9/15/2006 5:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by ctrlaltdelete quote: Originally posted by benni One more on the obsession with their looks – which seems to ALWAYS find its way into discussions about them – I find it hilarious that whenever a band looks good, has attractive band members or wears nice clothes – or puts loads into their look on stage – it is ALWAYS used as a weapon against them. Luckily for you guys, it will never be used as a weapon against Stagger Lee. ha ha. i kill myself. DEAD

Una

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9/15/2006 5:52 PM
Benni, I completely agree with you on the looks thing, it's a cheap, lame and irrelevent shot - and I mean this in general, I'm not talking about any specific article or band or anything. Rock and roll has always been about image, so bringing it up in a review or discussion about the quality of a band is kind of redundant. Humanzi have clearly worked their balls off - touring constantly around this country and others so they must be really dissapointed with how the sales went. Nevertheless, hopefully it will be a incentive for them to keep going and make more music. Perhaps then can use the discourse surrounding their band to prove those who doubt them wrong and those who support them right. It is, afterall about the tunes and I look forward to hearing more from them in the future.

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9/15/2006 8:05 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una my music journalist's hat on, Humanzi were hyped, and one always has to be skeptical of hype With my amateur music journo hat on, I say a good music journalist disregards hype and it doesn't color his opinion in any way. I think a reader simply wants and interesting opionion on the band and their music and are they any good or what? Readers already know if a band is hyped or not. If a band is hyped then fails to live up to that hype in terms of commercial success, why should it change your opinion of the band? I mean you've heard the record, that should be enough, is it good? yay or nay. I say this as someone who never gave a rats arse about humanzi, I found them a bit mediocre, but that's no reason to be unfair to them. "Music Journalist" and "Industry Commentator" aren't mutually incompatable, tough I did say just and industry commentator. Anyway, badly phrased, to make what I was getting at more clear, the guy was using the bands lack of commercial success to call into question their credibility and artistic merit. That in my opinion is really, really low.

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9/15/2006 8:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by benni One more on the obsession with their looks – which seems to ALWAYS find its way into discussions about them – I find it hilarious that whenever a band looks good, has attractive band members or wears nice clothes – or puts loads into their look on stage – it is ALWAYS used as a weapon against them. Yet go for the quiet introverted, inoffensive ‘I’m a delicate indieboy with jumper sleeves over my wrist’ – its like a f**king golden ticket. Anyone on a stage should dress the part, look distinctive and confident. If a band/singer can't be bothered looking good, then the music is probably going to be just as straggly and half-arsed as they are. superficial? definitely! music is a superficial business of making a disposable product - and if you do it well enough your music will be profound and essential. And maybe hype is something that can contructively set the bar for a band; 'OK, band X, I've seen all your promo, now you'd better be bloody worth it!' (naive of me, perhaps!) I haven't listened to Humanzi enough to agree or disagree with Jim Carroll's opinion of them. However, I think he'd probably argue that his point was to contrast Humanzi's poor return on huge investment on The Immediate's (relatively) good return on a modest effort. Whether either record is good or bad (maybe the Immediate did a Louis Walsh and bought 1,000 copies themselves!) is another issue, IMHO, and one he shouldn't have tangled up with his main point - but it seems to be the one that most people here are responding to.

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9/15/2006 10:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by aidan anyone on a stage should dress the part, look distinctive and confident. If a band/singer can't be bothered looking good, then the music is probably going to be just as straggly and half-arsed as they are. I'm sorry but that's complete and utter b*llocks. Have you ever seen the cut of the Pixies or Yo La Tengo or Belle & Sebastian or about a hundred other great bands who dress like they're just nipping down to the cornershop to buy a pint of milk.

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9/16/2006 12:49 AM
I'm not a fan of Humanzi, but I feel Jim Carroll is out of order here. It's not as if The Immediate are pressing up their records themselves and hawking them round to shops. They both have UK deals, and as someone said earlier, they use the same Irish PR. I don't get his point. The Immediate sold a thousand - big deal. It just seems like an O.T.T. attack on Humanzi dressed up as a case-study.

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9/16/2006 1:52 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed So the backlash begins Didn't that start the moment that they were signed?

Una

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9/16/2006 1:58 PM
backlashes begin at conception, and that is that.

Unicron

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9/16/2006 2:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una backlashes begin at conception, and that is that.

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9/16/2006 3:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by aidan If a band/singer can't be bothered looking good, then the music is probably going to be just as straggly and half-arsed as they are. hahahahahahaa you've described all my favourite bands.

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9/16/2006 3:46 PM
While I believe the Immediate have a lot more going for them than Humanzi they have only sold 1,000 copies themselves. Hardly world beating is it?

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9/16/2006 8:59 PM
The Immediate have been touring around Ireland for what must be the last 5 years (at least) so to get a return of 1000 copies of an album sold is by no means a great achievement. Work it out....220 copies per year on the circuit!?! What this thread tells us is that the Irish CD buying public for Indie / alternative music is either very lazy or very hard to please or dare I say it more interested in bands who are 'hip' across the water or basically not from Ireland!

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9/16/2006 9:53 PM
hello hello I'm in The Immediate and I just want to say that I think that article is completely negative and doesn't merit discussion. Also, just to answer, we certainly didn't use any tricks like getting our manager to buy any copies of the album, nor have we been touring Ireland for 5 years - this is our FIRST tour if Ireland! (not counting four or five dates supporting Delorentos a few months back). Here's to creativity and rocknroll... good luck to Humanzi! Good luck to anyone working hard at making music/art/love/whatever YEAH Cheerio -Conor

Thomas Walsh

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9/17/2006 4:54 AM
Well done Conor. I have a lot of respect for Humanzi AND The Immediate and they've been very vocal in their respect and admiration for my music. This is a journalistic faux-pas and clearly represents the huge divide between what is obviously going on in the Irish music scene and what's interperated as "Going on"..... Typical really..... T.

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9/17/2006 10:02 AM
I think as a comment between two distinct apporaches to marketing/breaking a band, the idea behind the article had a lot of potential. It did however roll more than a little downhill with the concept being lost in, well, nothing of any real value at all.

Una

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9/17/2006 1:43 PM
well, there's plenty here for someone to write an op-ed then...

Flux

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9/17/2006 1:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Thomas Walsh they've been very vocal in their respect and admiration for my music. Was this necessary?

Daragh

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9/17/2006 3:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una well, there's plenty here for someone to write an op-ed then... touche!

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9/17/2006 5:43 PM
i think the points made in the article are fairly valid that no matter how much marketing image promotion etc a band gets if the music doesnt cut the mustard its not gonna do well... also having a dig at a bands looks well i think its fair game people do it when talking about boy bands girl bands and other vacuous shelves on which products are placed generally bands with alot of substance to their music can look the way they want and never get criticism for it... if he's of the opinion that thats the way they are then he should go for it.. afterall thats wat the article's about how substance deserves to trump style. the marketing and hype is the main reason why humanzi have recived a backlash... how can a band that says theyre sick of consumerism etc be comfortable with the barrage of marketing that surrounded them. no matter how well meaning they where so much marketing and posturing undermined anything they had to say.. i think its a fair point.. humanzi where marketed very much as these bunch of dangerous angry young polemics and the content never validated the promises made on the packaging. the people that leftist polemic music generally appeals to are normally quite put off by a barrage of marketing again it may not be humanzi's fault but if they felt there belifs in earnest what they where taking part in would of jarred with them a little. another consideration that needs to be taken into account when looking at the album sales is price... the immediates album is far cheaper than humanzi and for the many that where buying the album out of curiosity (like myself) it was a far easier purchase then spending nearly twenty bills on tremors. also the irsh brgrudgery thing its a load of bollocks irish musicians nearly always supported well in my opinion the immediate have made a far more honest effort at making music and it show... would they have liked the promotion budget humanzi had available to them... im sure they would but i know that both groups have been around working hard for bloody ages and its tough hopefully humanzi come back and make an album that fits them better good luck to them

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9/17/2006 8:14 PM
I remember seeing Humanzi on 'Other Voices' and they were comically bad. There you go!

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9/18/2006 1:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Flux quote: Originally posted by Thomas Walsh they've been very vocal in their respect and admiration for my music. Was this necessary? Idiot. My point was simply that the journalist who wrote the said article was doing something that has been done many times before and that is alienate one set of music fans against each other for no reason other than "his" reasons, but in the "Real" world most of these bands really get on, hence the use of the term. I'm simply backing up my point. You may be dissapointed to learn that it wasn't for the sad reasons you allude too.....

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9/18/2006 8:30 AM
a couple of things here i've read the Carroll piece about three times now and can still see nothing in it bout how the band LOOK. Can someone please explain to me why people on this thread have picked up on this when its not in the piece? Or is this just people here looking for anything to beat the journalist with? what everyone seems to be ignoring is the main thrust of the piece - after all the hype and promotion and questionable support slots, humanzi have still not been able to sell loads in their homeland. The band have been heavily pushed in the UK too and it hasnt taken off there either. sure, the journalist should not have brought the immediate into it BUT the main theme of the piece - humanzi have only sold 500 copies of their debut album - is been conveniently ignored by many of their fan-posters on cluas Thomas Walsh - you may have meant well with your mails but you came across as extremely pompous. I'm sure you are not and that you are a lovely guy, but you really come across as a bit of a buffoon from your posts. You may want to edit your first post. The chip on your shoulder is really getting to you. And - finally - Dromed. I love this post from you on a thread about the release of "Tremors" from a few weeks ago http://www.cluas.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7369&whichpage=2 900 copies in the first day??? You really did swallow the hype from the band and their handlers, didnt u?

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9/18/2006 9:58 AM
Sorry I deleted a post above by mistake - I still stand by whatever I've said before - yet I'm sure they would have still wanted to have sold more than that. There's a whole lot of venom going on here lads, I'm really glad to see that Conor from the Immediate posted - fair play. They've no gripe with Humanzi and I'm sure the Humanzi lads feel the same - I'm sure both bands can exist on their different paths without having to come to blows - Maybe CArroll is hoping to launch a Blur Vs. Oasis type war - ha ha! Next stop TOTP face off.

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9/18/2006 10:22 AM
as i said before, apart from the people on this forum and the crowd that follow local music in temple bar, nobody has heard these guys play music, they have received virtually no radio play yet have released two singles of the album??? why? when they had the money and the people to make it happen why werent they on the radio? add that to the fact that they were made "exclusive" for eight months...i mean they were showing up in the papers but nobody could figure out who they were??they were doing interviews and making silly statements about politics that really were quite embarrassing, i mean they hadnt even released a fookin record!! whatever personal grip carroll has, it doesnt matter, he is a critic. bangs was a critic, he called jim morrisson an overrated drunken buffoon....now, do ye think jim gave a s**t? harden up lads.......

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9/18/2006 10:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed I still stand by whatever I've said before - yet I'm sure they would have still wanted to have sold more than that. yes of course, they still wanted to have sold more than that but they didnt. they - or whoever - claimd 900 sales on day one official chart figures given in the article put sales figures at 500 for three weeks. porkies are being told and big, whopping ones at that.

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9/18/2006 11:26 AM
how does one go about discovering "offical chart figures". Somehow me thinks these figures are not so "official". Don't believe everything you read.

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9/18/2006 11:39 AM
Thomas Walsh - in essence, who gives a fiddlers if Humanzi and The Immediate have been "very vocal" (any links to the articles?) about their love for yer tunes? That means nothing to anyone except you. There was no need to involve yourself in this affair. Egomaniac.

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9/18/2006 12:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by raoul how does one go about discovering "offical chart figures". Somehow me thinks these figures are not so "official". Don't believe everything you read. official Irish sales figures compiled by Charttrack for IRMA and the figures quoted came from the official charts. if not, i'm sure Humanzi, their record label, IRMA and co would be on like a hot snot with lawyers and the like looking for aplogies and retractions.

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9/18/2006 12:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard quote: Originally posted by raoul how does one go about discovering "offical chart figures". Somehow me thinks these figures are not so "official". Don't believe everything you read. official Irish sales figures compiled by Charttrack for IRMA and the figures quoted came from the official charts. if not, i'm sure Humanzi, their record label, IRMA and co would be on like a hot snot with lawyers and the like looking for aplogies and retractions. Am I correct in saying that not all sales are counted, only a number of (supposedly) random stores, as like a strawpoll ? I also heard that, where you buy a record counts as numerous sales in some cases ... i.e. a sale in the Airport is worth 4 sales in the high street.

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9/18/2006 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Mully Am I correct in saying that not all sales are counted, only a number of (supposedly) random stores, as like a strawpoll ? I also heard that, where you buy a record counts as numerous sales in some cases ... i.e. a sale in the Airport is worth 4 sales in the high street. i dont know the exact numbers on all that mully and i am open to correction but i think the vast majority of shops are now on the charttrack system. naturally, there may be some shops which are not but all the big uns and the indies (like road etc) are in the system. regarding how one record counts as numerous sales, no. i've never heard that before and it would surprise me. what u heard might have something to do with a system which prevailed in the old days when they had a certain amount of chart-return shops, these were supposed to be secret but every label knew which ones were the chart-return shops and targetted them accordingly. louis walsh, allegedly, knows all about that!

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9/18/2006 1:01 PM
Read the article, as a polemic it worked. Obviously designed to piss people off and it did. However, at the end of it, I was asking myself why? What was the point of the column? It was nasty and vindictive and not objective in the least. His main point seemed to be Humanzi are s**t. It was a typical case of the self obessed music critic. I don't know about the rest of you but does anyone actually pay heed to what a critic says? Comparing the sale of Humanzi's 500 cds to the Immediate's 1000 is a bit ridiculous and pointless.

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9/18/2006 1:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw It was a typical case of the self obessed music critic. I don't know about the rest of you but does anyone actually pay heed to what a critic says? To be honest i'm always interested in what people have to say whether it's critics, friends or posters on message boards! We're all critics (unpaid largely) and most people who visit this site get to execute their critical faculties in some way, shape or form. As i said, i read such columns and take them as opinion. It is fair to say that Carroll has a point but i do agree that he was particularly hard on Humanzi and made some unnecessary and mean comments.

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9/18/2006 1:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw It was a typical case of the self obessed music critic. I don't know about the rest of you but does anyone actually pay heed to what a critic says? going on the strength of this thread - five pages, over 1500 views and growing - i'd say there are a lot of people on Cluas who do pay heed to what Carroll is saying! in fact, if i had the time, i'd say he is the most mentioned and dicussed music writer on cluas, certainly since i started posting here. lets face facts, we all read him and we all either vehemently disagree or wholeheatedly agree with him. theres no sitting on the fence. i'd also say that there are a lot of would-be, wanna-be rock critics in cluas-land and on bulletin boards generally who would give their eye-teeth to have a widely read, widely commented on column in a national newspaper like carroll. maybe that accounts for the really silly mis-readings of what was a pretty open and factual column? carroll is jealous of humanzi because of their leather trousers - and loads of cluasers are jealous of carroll because of his acid tongue?? i hope he's reading all of these threads inside in the irish times and laughing his nuts off.

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9/18/2006 2:27 PM
quote: Originally posted by Flux Thomas Walsh - in essence, who gives a fiddlers if Humanzi and The Immediate have been "very vocal" (any links to the articles?) about their love for yer tunes? That means nothing to anyone except you. There was no need to involve yourself in this affair. Egomaniac. Is this really neccesary? I don't know how Pilchard and yourself can take offence to Thomas posts, and these retorts offer nothing to the discussion. Yet again however, they highlight the narrow mindedness of many of the posters on this board, and in a round about way, back up Mr Carrolls article. Why should someone being supportive of Pugwash be such an issue? Why is Thomas Walsh an 'egomaniac' for thanking these two 'bands' for this? And Flux, why shouldn't Thomas Walsh get involved in this? Why did you??

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9/18/2006 2:36 PM
Agreed, the internet is full of wannabe critics and critics alike. Wasn't refering to specifically Caroll, who I find humerous and interesting for the most part. Last week's column appeared to be just a vindictive rant backed up with shoddy argument about a difference in sales of 500. What I was refering to is that sometimes unintentional hilarity of some reviews with flowery imagery etc. Just give it some stars and leave it at that.

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9/18/2006 3:10 PM
a critic is a person who tends too readily to make captious, trivial, or harsh judgments; a faultfinder. I would say a certain degree of narrow-mindness and obnoxiousness would be necessary characteristics of somebody who boasts to be a critic. Harldy something to aspire to be.

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9/18/2006 3:13 PM
Is this really neccesary? I don't know how Pilchard and yourself can take offence to Thomas posts, and these retorts offer nothing to the discussion. Yet again however, they highlight the narrow mindedness of many of the posters on this board, and in a round about way, back up Mr Carrolls article. Why should someone being supportive of Pugwash be such an issue? Why is Thomas Walsh an 'egomaniac' for thanking these two 'bands' for this? And Flux, why shouldn't Thomas Walsh get involved in this? Why did you?? hmmh I think he was just annoyed after Thomas started the reply to his question with idiot . Also it did come across a little egotistical BUT that's nobodies business but his . Off topic but i like to look at things from every angle.

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9/18/2006 3:25 PM
Carrol definitely has something against Humanzi. Over the last year he has had a few digs at them. Jim Carrol wrote May 13 2005. "Naturally, there's been some indignant spluttering about what's happened to these acts. Humanzi in particular have come in for special peer attention, due to the purported size of their deal and their past form as Listo, the band from a cheesy oldVodafone advert. But this always happens, especially on the tiny-minded Dublin scene, where local musicians favour backbiting and begrudgery above writing decent tunes. Jim Carrol wrote December 30 2005 on his predictions for 2006. "Here, thanks to Discotheque's psychic powers (that's psychic, not psycho), are the music stories you will be reading in the coming months. ...Humanzi singer slams reviews of new album": Humanzi singer Shaun Mulrooney reacted angrily yesterday to a slew of negative reviews which the band's debut album has received from Irish critics. "They were all on about the record deal and ignored the music completely," he moaned. "We're not Sigue Sigue Sputnik, you know what I mean?" When pressed on the fact that most reviews of We Got the Money, Baby (And You Didn't) actually highlighted the band's poor, dreary, second-hand punk riffs and the singer's own inability to hold a note, rather than mentioning any record deal, Mulrooney hung up in a huff." He also had a few digs in May when talking about compilation albums "After all, an album of bands who sound just like, say, Humanzi will make much more cash for the label than a debut Humanzi album could possibly ever do." And again when discussing channel 6 "And, aside from the show's puzzling desire to play a lot of Humanzi and the equally pointless Red Organ Serpent Sound, the show gets this right too." The case rests m'lud. ;) And congrats to Una for mentioning "as a music critic" a million times ;)

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9/18/2006 3:41 PM
It seems crystal clear that Mr. Carrol's familiarity of the music of new(ish) Irish bands is so severely limited that he must re-use humanzi as a tool in which to make his onius comparisions. Either that or the grudge is personal..

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9/18/2006 3:42 PM
jeez nerraw, are things that quiet in your place? or have u been keeping a file on all this? i hope jim carrol appreciates all your hard work there - u seem to be as obssesed with him as he is with humanzi

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9/18/2006 3:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by raoul It seems crystal clear that Mr. Carrol's familiarity of the music of new(ish) Irish bands is so severely limited that he must re-use humanzi as a tool in which to make his onius comparisions. Either that or the grudge is personal.. hey raoul u need to use the edit button again - think its "odious" u are after pilchard

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9/18/2006 3:54 PM
Very quiet today :lol I already said previously that I like his columns. No file, just a quick search on lexus nexus and copy and paste, 2mins. I am definitely obsessed with him though, two comments in relation to him prove that. Just thought it was relevant to the discussion to show what he has written about them in the past if people are to accuse him of having a grudge. But mainly becaus things are quiet and its monday.

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9/18/2006 3:59 PM
"odious"

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9/18/2006 7:10 PM
The first comment you quoted wasn't really a dig at them was it?

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9/19/2006 5:23 AM
Interesting thread... I've been living out of Ireland now for 7 years. First London, now Sydney. I've kept up my subscription to various Irish magazines (one of which gets a fair amount of press on these discussion boards!). Whilst I am no officianado, what happens locally in Ireland will always intrigue me. Bands getting a hard time in their home town is hardly a new thing. Look at the Killers - going nowhere fast in Vegas, a hit in the UK. A similar (ish) story for the Strokes. Here, in Sydney, I rarely if ever see a vitriolic review of a hometown band - the reviews are usually more constructive, more passionate, more hopeful. The article written about Humanzi (I must admit at this stage that I have never heard a Humanzi or Immediate tune) is probably more interesting that the band itself by the sounds of things! It seems to me that this journalist has lashed out with a blunt blade at the band, their management and their record company. So what if Humanzi have grabbed some profile support slots, some decent airplay. So what if these guys strike a pose? So what if expectations were high about the album and it didn't deliver. The journalist seems to be suggesting that a more homely, organic growth approach is always best. Patent bollocks in my opinion. Not that that is the only example of patent bollocks on this thread. I've always enjoyed the fact that CLUAS reviewers are unpaid - as Eoghan memorably described it to me once, the archetypal CLUAS reviewer is right behind you in the queue for the movie with his popcorn paid for. Some of the comments on this thread seem to hint that a "music critic" has a view that carries greater weight - well I beg to differ. There are many music and movie reviewers the world over that are questioning the value of their written word. Indeed some of the critics on this very thread have commented that they rarely listen to an album twice (hardly seems fair?) or that the sheer volume of music that they listen to somehow hones their "quality detectors". The internet has made everyone's opinion available. And valuable. I've picked up many an album because it was commended on these very pages by someone who may also worship Bryan McFadden for all I know. Or care. I'm now predisposed to liking any Humanzi tune that I may come across....

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9/19/2006 6:31 AM
I'm logged on here as Thomas Walsh. No "alter ego" name etc, etc so anyone here who thinks I'm an "Ego-Maniac" for trying to help this disscussion by pointing out that bands actually respect each other, like each others music AND get on (God forbid)well fair enough. Also if "Flux" or "Pilchard" are ever at a Pugwash gig(!) please introduce yourselves as I like to say what I feel in person and really get stuck into an argument over a pint not a keyboard. Or if they prefer they can pop up to "Egomaniac Mansions" i.e my bedsit in Crumlin and have a natter. They're doing a choice of 2 chocolate bars from 3 (Dime - Toblerone - Terry's Orange) for 99 cent in the Centra next door. I'll get them if you bring the milk.....

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9/19/2006 8:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by Thomas Walsh Also if "Flux" or "Pilchard" are ever at a Pugwash gig(!) please introduce yourselves as I like to say what I feel in person and really get stuck into an argument over a pint not a keyboard. Or if they prefer they can pop up to "Egomaniac Mansions" i.e my bedsit in Crumlin and have a natter. They're doing a choice of 2 chocolate bars from 3 (Dime - Toblerone - Terry's Orange) for 99 cent in the Centra next door. I'll get them if you bring the milk..... moderator, lock this thread please. thomas walsh is hitting on me.

nerraw

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9/19/2006 9:54 AM
Some excellent points Stephen. Well put.

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9/19/2006 12:30 PM
Good stuff Stephen - and it's cool to see that you're still keeping an eye on what's going on at home :) Nerraw fair play for the cut and paste job..anyone that reads that and doesn't get the bloody point that Carroll does have a particualr thing about Humanzi is deluded. And that's the whole point here..no one is having a micky fit over the fact that Humanzi got a bad review for jaysus sake, but that article is loaded with venom and bullst. Did he actually have the nerve to write " especially on the tiny-minded Dublin scene, where local musicians favour backbiting and begrudgery above writing decent tunes" ?? Hypocrite! Resorting to schoolroom-type jokes about leather trousers is what passes for journalism now? Give me a fkin break. As Raoul pointed out - Carroll obviously knows f**k all about what's actually going on in Irish music other than what lands on his desk. Mr. Walsh also makes a fine point that there is a lot of love between bands in our fair Isle - a lot of mutual support and genuine friendships and a poxy review isn't going to start a war between them!

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9/19/2006 1:47 PM
over 2000 views - more people have read this thread than have bought the humanzi album. at least, they have people talking bout them

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9/19/2006 1:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard over 2000 views - more people have read this thread than have bought the humanzi album. at least, they have people talking bout them More like the same 10 people viewing numerous times ...

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9/19/2006 1:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard over 2000 views - more people have read this thread than have bought the humanzi album. at least, they have people talking bout them fraid you could have fallen for the oul Louis Walsh trick there Pilchard. The thread has had 2000 views, rather than 2000 people have read it.

nerraw

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9/19/2006 2:02 PM
Just me or does Pilchard = Jim Carroll? ;)

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9/19/2006 5:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw Just me or does Pilchard = Jim Carroll? ;) LOL! that would be a no. i'm just another little lost soul spending time on cluas which should be spent on more life-changing endeavours

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9/20/2006 2:48 PM
Jim Carroll is the Graham Poll of the muso journo world....more interested in making a name for himself than anything...I think if we all just ignore him he'll go away...

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9/30/2006 7:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YvIDCHWkB4 Humanzi fella on Sky news.

Pol

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10/2/2006 2:20 PM
O my god that was shameful .

Pilchard

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10/2/2006 2:30 PM
christ on a bike. now, if they put THAT on the album, someone might buy it for comedy value alone. that and their other voices appearance. comedy punk rock.

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10/2/2006 2:32 PM
i dont get why everyone is going on about this a bloke - in a band - talkin about music - in a very casual way - as ya would to your mate - no false pretences - so whats the problem?

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10/2/2006 2:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed Carroll obviously knows fk all about what's actually going on in Irish music Is that because there actually is fk all going on in the Irish music scene?

nerraw

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10/2/2006 2:49 PM
Jaysus, Humanzi are so fvcking rock N roll. Slags off westlife while wearing a Next a scarf around his neck, that's so punk. 'They make me want to him them with a guitar,' stick to the music lads, and leave beating up boybands to Simon Cowell.

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10/2/2006 3:12 PM
Wow you guys get pissed off...wayyyyyy too easily..seriously, let it go.

nerraw

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10/2/2006 3:21 PM
Pissed off? We could just see the irony as I think most people were laughing at the Sky news interview. A 21st century punk band slagging off Westlife is very very funny.

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10/2/2006 3:46 PM
? and still i dont get why that would be?

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10/2/2006 4:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw Pissed off? We could just see the irony as I think most people were laughing at the Sky news interview. A 21st century punk band slagging off Westlife is very very funny. Read back over the thread - ye sound very pissed off. And if it all means so little to you how come yous get so cross about it? He's taking the piss and having a laugh yet no one seems to get that, you're all too busy getting your knickers in a knot.

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10/2/2006 4:17 PM
I can assure you i'm not pissed off. Sure it's text, you can't judge a person's mood from it, its the reason smileys were invented. I find it very amusing that's all. Does anyone actually care about Westlife? Of course not, but a 21st century Dublin punk is just so punk that he wants to beat them up. Mad bastard, he comes across like any other d**k in a scarf in Whelans. Have a pop at some of his contemporaries. Leave the dissing of Westlife to fans of 5ive and Blue.

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10/2/2006 4:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw Have a pop at some of his contemporaries. Leave the dissing of Westlife to fans of 5ive and Blue. hahaha - maybe thats cause his contemporaries – whether they are seen by the public as ‘rival bands’ or some st like that – is not what annoys him……….?!? Maybe he likes the way so many bands in Dublin, his contemporaries if you will, work away and aren’t manufactured whether he’s a fan of their music or not. Maybe what annoys him is Westlife – the question was posed to him - its not like he brought it up – and like most musicians he hates all that st – so whats the problem with him saying it?!??!? This point of view is a joke I’m sorry…….. it like ‘hey man… you’d be like so much cooler if no-one heard of your influences and you were an introverted sensitive indie boy..’ but cause he’s a regular bloke with a point of view that is commonly shared with a lot of people he’s perceived as a wker by you – if he was being avante garde you’d be calling him a pretentious wker…..? Makes no sense dude seriously…

nerraw

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10/2/2006 4:44 PM
Dude, whatever. You're going off on one. He brought up Westlife all by his little punk self. I think he comes across like an absolute tosser, with his 21st century punk bollix and then goes to rant about westlife. Punk man, punk. But sure there is nothing new in Irish bands saying each other are great, backslap. It's ok, I understand, it could get arkward in the bandroom at whelans.

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10/2/2006 5:09 PM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw Dude, whatever. You're going off on one. He brought up Westlife all by his little punk self. I think he comes across like an absolute tosser, with his 21st century punk bollix and then goes to rant about westlife. Punk man, punk. But sure there is nothing new in Irish bands saying each other are great, backslap. It's ok, I understand, it could get arkward in the bandroom at whelans. Ah no man – its nothing to do with that at all – i was posting on this board with opinions about bands before I was in a band myself and my outlook hasn’t changed at all since then. I - like LOADS of other people; musicians or not – have the same opinion about boy bands and Xfactor and all that- I do recall Thom Yorke calling X-Factor the work of Satan recently – I didn’t see so many people going off on one at that….? Why is it so bad that he happens to voice a commonly held opinion – and throwin a little laugh in at the same time. Its not all 100% serious ‘im an artiste man’….?

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10/2/2006 5:19 PM
The fact is he came across like someone who was trying to appeal to a demographic ,iv seen him in other interviews spouting out rubbish thinking hes Johnny Rotten mixed with Bono , im sure this has no Barings on his music but he didn't come across well in them ''were going to take over the world , american soil at the airport makes me sick '' .

Pilchard

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10/2/2006 7:07 PM
u got to say, though, he does look smashing in that leather jacket

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10/2/2006 8:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by benni i dont get why everyone is going on about this a bloke - in a band - talkin about music - in a very casual way - as ya would to your mate - no false pretences - so whats the problem? You don't think he came accross as trying too hard to be "punk" (whatever that means, as far as I'm concerned Beat Happening were punk) with his statements about Louis Walsh and more Westlife? It didn't really ring true with me.

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10/3/2006 9:15 AM
It did in all honesty come across like a transition year student waxing lyrical. I remember probably saying the exact same things about boyzone 10 years ago. Its ste, but then what "front man" isnt full of ste? As for the America thing...I dont think he'd complain too much if he sold records there.... I also think that this board doesnt need another discussion on the merits of Humanzi..let the fullness of time decide as to whether they last or not. I'm saying s**t about his hair either cos he's got way more than me....

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10/8/2006 8:02 PM
i met your man from humanzi at the weekend - lovely fella.

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10/9/2006 12:33 PM
poor old humanzi. the hype they got has made it very difficult for them... they would have had to produce an incredible album to have sated the critics. i feel sorry for them actually. Gar

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10/9/2006 12:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearty poor old humanzi. the hype they got has made it very difficult for them... they would have had to produce an incredible album to have sated the critics. i feel sorry for them actually. Gar yeah it has been unfair. but critics dont buy records. Theyve gotten a huge opportunity, the machine is behind them, and theyre in the enviable position where they can just let their music speak for itself, and not worry about anything else. I wouldnt feel too sorry for them!

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10/9/2006 7:56 PM
great live band but the record sounds more like a compalation than an albun

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10/18/2006 9:55 AM
While the article does take an unnecessary relish in putting the boot into Humanzi I do think that a lot of the criticism that has come their way is justified, based purely on their output and the public profile they've attained on the way to releasing their album. It's not a comfortable thought for a lot of people, but image and a band's articulacy and opinions count for a lot in how well the band succeeds. Humanzi arrived on a tsunami of hype and pitched themselves as 21st Century Punks with Something To Say. Then they spend their first major television interview being herded into slagging off boy bands and pop svengalis. Coming back to the article, I think that the writer's frustration or anger stems from the fact that there are too many bands that take the route Humanzi have taken; they have an outdated concept of a rock 'n' roll band where notoriety comes by hitting a few easy targets and sprinkling your interviews with "f**k", where leather clothing = rebellion and fast tunes with vocal yelps means you're a generation-defining punk band. You can easily imagine how eventually you just get sick of a constant stream of bands like that. Before anyone accuses me of being a begrudging Humanzi hater, let me clarify a few things: I've not heard Tremors. I've only heard the four singles. I wasn't impressed. But I don't harbour any ill feelings towards the band. From what a lot of people who've run into them around town say, they appear to be nice lads and spending eight months of the year on the back of a tourbus can be difficult. So I wish them well. But they've got themselves to blame for a lot of what's gone wrong. They don't appear to have any original or inventive ideas, musically or lyrically. They aren't as radio-friendly as a group like Snow Patrol. So they're caught between a rock and a hard place - they're not good enough to appeal to enlighted music lovers, they're not melodic enough to appeal to the Oasis/Arctic Monkeys/Kasabian demographic and they're not smooth enough for Mums or Aunties to enjoy or listen to.

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10/18/2006 1:15 PM
Oh for the love of God or whoever....for the most part, the people who post on this site are a bunch of fooking musical snobs who are only happy when slagging off somebody, and in this case Humanzi. Jesus, I mean they're damned if they do and damned if they don't! On the one hand they're berated for not having a go at contemporaries in interviews and slagging off Westlife and then on the other they are pulled into some gang warfare with another Dublin band and get slagged off for that. Right ok, we're all entitled to our opinions but a lot of you are coming across as bitter little people with a bit too much time on your hands. Yes, they have a record deal and you may not have like their album but to slag someone for wearing a Next scarf while being interviewed is laughable. Is that they best you can come up with ?? Is there some sort of de riguer for being in a band that excludes the wearing of scarves from Next ? Does that extend to any other high street stores, please advise. Its obviously very important. It beggars belief the kind of things people come up with for the purpose of arguments...please Neeraw in particular get yourself a hobby or something....Jeez.

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10/18/2006 4:54 PM
quote: Originally posted by akablue Oh for the love of God or whoever....for the most part, the people who post on this site are a bunch of fooking musical snobs who are only happy when slagging off somebody, and in this case Humanzi. Jesus, I mean they're damned if they do and damned if they don't! On the one hand they're berated for not having a go at contemporaries in interviews and slagging off Westlife and then on the other they are pulled into some gang warfare with another Dublin band and get slagged off for that. Right ok, we're all entitled to our opinions but a lot of you are coming across as bitter little people with a bit too much time on your hands. Yes, they have a record deal and you may not have like their album but to slag someone for wearing a Next scarf while being interviewed is laughable. Is that they best you can come up with ?? Is there some sort of de riguer for being in a band that excludes the wearing of scarves from Next ? Does that extend to any other high street stores, please advise. Its obviously very important. It beggars belief the kind of things people come up with for the purpose of arguments...please Neeraw in particular get yourself a hobby or something....Jeez. The above quote should mark the end of this nonsense, well said Akablue. Now, shall we move on?

Antistar

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10/19/2006 9:49 AM
But he wore a scarf from NEXT! How could he! That's unforgivable.

nerraw

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10/19/2006 10:28 AM
Well, I'm not sure if it was a Next scarf. It might've been the BGH004 from the Topman range which is quite similar in appearance but is thought to be more punkier among the scarf enthusiasts club of which I am the chairperson. It is said that the inspiration behind BGH004 Sid Vicious. However, punks disagree by saying anyone that wears a scarf indoors is a prat

Antistar

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10/19/2006 12:21 PM
Indeed. I'm not a huge fan of Next scarves myself, I find them rather bland. Top Shop have a large collection of scarves also but I find they are trying too hard. What's wrong with a little casual understatement? I find Marks and Spencer occupy the middle ground in scarf-style: cool yet casual, understated yet subtly distinctive especially evident with their new Autumn/Winter collection.Their Pure Lambswool Prince Of Wales Check Scarf HG10098 has particularly caught my eye.

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10/19/2006 12:28 PM
i wouldnt mind borrowin his scarf today though....blaydin freezin..

Peaches

New Member
Posts:31

10/19/2006 12:34 PM
The above quote should mark the end of this nonsense, well said Akablue. Now, shall we move on? Amen to that...yawn Marks does indeed have the scarf "happy-medium" market covered. Fantastic gloves too!

nerraw

Basic Member
Posts:475

10/19/2006 12:44 PM
I have heard about the HG10098, previously called HG10097 in the prototype stage, but have been unable to track it down, limited edition and all that. Apparently there are some on ebay, scarf tout scum.

Antistar

Advanced Member
Posts:544

10/19/2006 1:54 PM
Yeah, the prototype HG10097 is being sold on eBay for 500 euro! Crazy, when you think that only difference with HG10098 is that there are no tassles at either end.

rockchicklet

New Member
Posts:41

6/25/2007 10:55 AM
just reading this now - who are Humanzi?

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