palace Basic Member Posts:392  
| 5/26/2006 10:09 AM |
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have just rejigged their radio schedule and got rid of the best two programmes on radio 1... rattlebag and the mystery train are no more...
dave fanning moves from radio 2 to radio 1
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| 5/26/2006 10:20 AM |
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:o
seriously?
no more mystery train.....no more rattlebag....
that is a disgrace, i wish there was a way of cancelling your tv license as a protest and getting a refund when you're disgusted with the national broadcaster's programming
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Antistar Advanced Member Posts:544
| 5/26/2006 10:36 AM |
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I'm deeply shocked at this but then again I'm not really surprised. RTE has a long history of crass incompetence and utterly baffling programming decisions. They must be the thickest bunch of individuals ever to work in media/broadcasting. Axing Mystery Train and Rattlebag is just typical of their short-sighted policy. f**kwits, indeed.
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 5/26/2006 10:41 AM |
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the replacement for rattlebag is a one hour arts show between 11.00 p.m and midnight (f**kin great!)... fanning takes up a one hour slot between 6 and 7 with more or less the same mandate for his show that he has now (i.e. dubious to say the least)... that's it folks... aside from that, as bad as fanning was on the evening slot, it was still infinitely more entertaining than the usual generic stuff and there is now an hour and a half more of that on rte 2
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 5/26/2006 10:42 AM |
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http://www.rte.ie/radio1/pressreleases/1093516.html
Rattlebag is being replaced by a Derek Mooney show, of which Music will be a part. How much, I wouldnt say alot to be honest.
It seems that Mystery Train was John Kellys decision to cancel.
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
| 5/26/2006 11:05 AM |
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And Joe Duffy gets an extra 15 minutes. Thank God I have a day job.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 5/26/2006 11:07 AM |
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dont forget that fanning is getting shunted to RADIO ONE - its the end of an era. i know theyre giving him the consolation prize of a sunday evening show on 2FM but its very tokenistic. plus theyre doing nothing about that old fart gerry ryan - he's the one who has lost 60,000+ listeners over the last few months!
whatever about john kelly wanting to pull up the mystery train, surely they could have found some way to accomodate him with a radio show? very strange that
as for rattlebag... i always found myles dungan to be an obnoxious, overbearing presenter but it was great exposure. 11pm for the arts? must be joking.
i'd say today fm are laughing. pet sounds vs rick o'shea (who will be on 6-9pm on 2FM)? no competition. heard pet sounds last night - it was the monthly album review show - and it was cracking radio. if 2fm had any brains, they'd do something similar.
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klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
| 5/26/2006 11:08 AM |
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Derek Mooney... guaranteed to make you switch channel.. the guy annoys the crap out of me... and RTE even have him doing the commentary for imported nature programs now as well..
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Gar Veteran Member Posts:1676
| 5/26/2006 11:15 AM |
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Now that Newstalk have a national licence, they should fill that 10 o'clock gap with a decent arts show. Maybe even lure John Kelly over to do it.
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| 5/26/2006 11:33 AM |
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i can't see why rte in their infinite wisdom couldn't at least have preserved one of these shows in it's original timeslot, replacing presenter (if necessary) with someone equally as passionate about their subject....derek mooney is not one such person, he brings me out in hives
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| 5/26/2006 12:14 PM |
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so i take it jenny heuston is going back to phantom cause she is not even on that schedule
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John DoeBasic Member Posts:338
| 5/26/2006 12:31 PM |
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Fanning on Radio 1. Sweet suffering Jesus on the cross. Who, exactly, do they think is going to be listening to him ?
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 5/26/2006 12:32 PM |
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Originally posted by jan
i can't see why rte in their infinite wisdom couldn't at least have preserved one of these shows in it's original timeslot, replacing presenter (if necessary) with someone equally as passionate about their subject....derek mooney is not one such person, he brings me out in hives
Exactly. John Kelly may have chosen to leave but they could have kept the show and got an equally erudite and likeable presenter.A big ask but could be done.
As for Derek Mooney, I feel ill at the sight of him. One of most irritating people on the planet. Will he sign off his show with 'Byyyyeeeee...' |
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nerrawBasic Member Posts:475
| 5/26/2006 1:33 PM |
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Mooney is a broadcasting legend, philistines.
Shocking decisions all round really. They haven't got a clue.
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
| 5/26/2006 2:11 PM |
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Yeah, maybe so, but their ratings are on a continual downward spiral so they must do something to halt the decline. Rattlebag was ok but I often found that he just took a broad swipe at all kind of different subjects. One minute he could talking to Geldof about the Rats the next minute some one would be reading from some obscure poet who happened to be their 100th anniversary. To eclectic in other words. Alot of peole like Derek Mooney and thats a fact so he could be a success. Fanning is just getting old anyway and he might just appeal to the general age profile who listen to Radio 1. I must admit, I enjoy listening to Marian Finucine myself on Sat and Sun mornings!!
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 5/26/2006 3:02 PM |
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RTE = 07.00 - 09.00 - Marty In The Morning = Why bother?
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 5/26/2006 3:15 PM |
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seeing as radio really has got Cluas riled today (which is good and probably contrary to what 2FM and the like might think), what do people think Phantom will bring to the airwaves? do u think it will be a big boost for local acts or are we putting too much on their shoulders?
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 5/26/2006 3:28 PM |
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Well, whatever about the rest of their remit, that's where Phantom really will shine. Hopefully they won't get too hung up on any one of the mini-scenes that are around, but they were fairly inclusive before and I very much doubt that'll change.
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bonzoBasic Member Posts:364
| 5/26/2006 4:12 PM |
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Phantom won't be anything like it was in the pirate days. Advertising revenue will dictate the output of this station. I can't see there being sufficient companies in Ireland that will want to the advertise their products during the break of live broadcast a Postal Service gig. Can you?
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PeejayBasic Member Posts:340
| 5/26/2006 4:13 PM |
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John Kelly was definitely my 'Dave Fanning'. Back in college I used to listen to his show religiously.
This was shortly after he'd moved from the BBC in Northern Ireland, and the Mystery Train
was in its infancy. It was only one hour, 8pm monday to friday. I got turned onto so much
music from that show at an age when it really started to matter. Bob Dylan, Charles
Mingus, Curtis Mayfield, Elliott Smith, Elvis Presley, Gillian Welch, Johnny Cash, Marvin Gaye,
The Band, Hank Williams, Bascom Lamarr Lunsford. Usually, all in one show. It was
an education, and some of those artists are still some of my favourites today. Also
back then, the show was still growing, and you could always send him an email
if you missed an album or band name, and you'd probably get a reply within a few days.
To be honest, I'm not really sad to see the show go. I rarely listen to it since it was extended
to an hour and a half. The music is still great, but John seems to want to fill the extra time
with himself, which is a bad idea. His between song banter amounts to banal private jokes
with whoevers in the room with him, and generally dull comments which he didnt have time
for when it was just a one hour show. He's a bit like Jools Holland on BBC2, he's become
a celebrity darling and wants to flaunt it with his musician buddies. The sessions he did
were a good idea and gave great exposure to some up and coming bands, but that isn't
the reason I ever tuned in in the first place.
So, its probably about time they canned the show anyway. Give someone else a chance to create a good music show, a rarity on Irish radio.
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
| 5/26/2006 4:45 PM |
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Originally posted by bonzo
Phantom won't be anything like it was in the pirate days. Advertising revenue will dictate the output of this station. I can't see there being sufficient companies in Ireland that will want to the advertise their products during the break of live broadcast a Postal Service gig. Can you?
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 5/26/2006 5:18 PM |
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Originally posted by off the post
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Originally posted by bonzo
Phantom won't be anything like it was in the pirate days. Advertising revenue will dictate the output of this station. I can't see there being sufficient companies in Ireland that will want to the advertise their products during the break of live broadcast a Postal Service gig. Can you?
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I wish you could give rep on this board 
I think you might be surprised, bonzo, when they come on air. But then I might be surprised. Surprise will be in the air in any case. |
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ctrlaltdeleteBasic Member Posts:268
| 5/26/2006 5:41 PM |
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Most mainstream 'indie' stations like XFm and that are pretty rubbish during the day - playing the same songs off a playlist like any other station, except instead of girls aloud you get the kaiser chiefs. I wouldn't hold any great hopes for Phantom to upset the apple cart in that regard but if they cater for their niche markets, say with interesting programmes in the evening, that would be of value and of interest.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 5/26/2006 5:45 PM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
seeing as radio really has got Cluas riled today (which is good and probably contrary to what 2FM and the like might think), what do people think Phantom will bring to the airwaves? do u think it will be a big boost for local acts or are we putting too much on their shoulders?
We've got an op-ed scheduled to go up at some point in the future (not sure when) which discusses the new Phontom. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/26/2006 5:51 PM |
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it's a pity Jenny Heuson has gone, although I won't really miss Cormac Battle...
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/26/2006 5:52 PM |
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ALTHOUGH: Heuson, Fanning and Battle were the only ones who played new Irish indie to any degree. Now that they're gone, I guess Phantom will take over in that department.
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ishrinkBasic Member Posts:195
| 5/26/2006 6:03 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
ALTHOUGH: Heuson, Fanning and Battle were the only ones who played new Irish indie to any degree. Now that they're gone, I guess Phantom will take over in that department.
Those 3 very rarely, if ever, play any unsigned Irish acts.
Dan Hegarty is the only 2fm DJ currently lending proper support to indigenous talent. |
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 5/26/2006 6:04 PM |
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I see no mention of Huston and Battle leaving in that press release. They're on after midnight these days anyway right?
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vandalaBasic Member Posts:267
| 5/26/2006 6:31 PM |
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Awful decisions indeed. I would query, however, the extent to which the schedule re-think is about
a) shortsightedness of the management
or
b) A practical acknowledgement of that most hideous of creatures: the audience "demographic".
Logic would dictate it's about the latter. Either way, what the action says about RTE's role as a "public service broadcaster" as opposed to a station dedicated to providing "entertainment" is hideous to the extreme.
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| 5/26/2006 7:49 PM |
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why do rte usually get it wrong? Then, just when your starting to get to know the schedule off by heart (and know what time you want to tune in) they go and change it. I actually schedule my life around when the good radio is on.
any idea whats happinin to dan hegarty?
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EoinBasic Member Posts:174
| 5/26/2006 8:23 PM |
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axeing Mystery Train ? are they all sniffing glue up in RTE or what, thats just f**king outrageous ! that was the best Radio programme in the country by miles,
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Phantomfmdublin New Member Posts:10
| 5/26/2006 9:31 PM |
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We've got an op-ed scheduled to go up at some point in the future (not sure when) which discusses the new Phontom.
Im looking forward to reading that one ;)
I remember way back when in the pirate days people told us we had sold out, then when we got the temporary licence we were told we had sold out and Im sure some people will be the same come August when we go on air full time. Just goes with the territory really. Wish I had the car to match the sell-out status. Yep, as people rightly point out, Phantom will be a business venture and has to build itself an audience to survive.
However, Im confident that Phantom can maintain its ethos and its committment to play new music and unsigned acts. For one, its in our contract and more importantly than that, its what we want to do!
As has always been the way, sending in music to Phantom is encouraged. Include biog info and a contact number and bop it off to us. John Caddell is our music director. Send it to: Phantom FM, 12 Camden Row, Dublin 8. If its good, it will get played and if its bad it gets recycled :)
Just on the 2FM stuff, as far as I know Jenny and Dan are still staying on the Midnight - 2am slot, just not included in the press release.
Happy to answer any Phantom related questions you might have!
Cheers,
Pete Reed
reed@phantomfm.com
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deraBasic Member Posts:163
| 5/27/2006 5:24 AM |
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Originally posted by Phantomfmdublin
For one, its in our contract and more importantly than that, its what we want to do!
:)
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 5/27/2006 1:58 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
ALTHOUGH: Heuson, Fanning and Battle were the only ones who played new Irish indie to any degree. Now that they're gone, I guess Phantom will take over in that department.
fanning hasnt played new irish indie music this century - u, like most of the rest of the country, still think of him the way he was rather than the presenter of the worst radio show around
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Originally posted by Eoin
axeing Mystery Train ? are they all sniffing glue up in RTE or what, thats just f**king outrageous ! that was the best Radio programme in the country by miles,
loads of us THINK the same but not enough of us LISTENED to the show any more to have any impact on the listenership figures.
i used to listen to it religiously until JK started to bleat on about turning 40 and being old and the show became more about him than the music he played. once he had taken the gerry ryan approach to filling the gaps, the show lost its way
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EoinBasic Member Posts:174
| 5/27/2006 6:21 PM |
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Originally posted by Pilchard
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Originally posted by Una
ALTHOUGH: Heuson, Fanning and Battle were the only ones who played new Irish indie to any degree. Now that they're gone, I guess Phantom will take over in that department.
fanning hasnt played new irish indie music this century - u, like most of the rest of the country, still think of him the way he was rather than the presenter of the worst radio show around
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Originally posted by Eoin
axeing Mystery Train ? are they all sniffing glue up in RTE or what, thats just f**king outrageous ! that was the best Radio programme in the country by miles,
loads of us THINK the same but not enough of us LISTENED to the show any more to have any impact on the listenership figures.
i used to listen to it religiously until JK started to bleat on about turning 40 and being old and the show became more about him than the music he played. once he had taken the gerry ryan approach to filling the gaps, the show lost its way
alright, well JK to me anyway is one of the best people at what he does in the country, probably not saying much to be quite honest there, but I just liked the idea that you could tune into a radio programme, not knowing what you were going to hear, but yet know that it would be good, if you knwo what I mean. |
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JairzinhoNew Member Posts:81
| 6/22/2006 12:00 PM |
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Here is a petition that has been set up to save Rattlebag
http://www.petitiononline.com/rattlebg/petition.html
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 6/22/2006 12:37 PM |
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Originally posted by Jairzinho
Here is a petition that has been set up to save Rattlebag
http://www.petitiononline.com/rattlebg/petition.html
I'm gonna start an online petition to stop online petitions.
Would anyone here sign up ? |
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PunchbowlBasic Member Posts:205
| 6/22/2006 1:37 PM |
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The national broadcaster don't respond well to public opinion I'm afraid so this petition is doomed. However, RTE are considering a new Radio Licence (as well as a Digital tranmission) so they may well have a strong Arts emphasis on either of these new channels and leave Radio 1 to the housewives.
I'm actaully quite impressed with the output of RTE television at the moment. The run up to the Rising commemerations was particularly abundant with excellent documentaries, the World Cup coverage has been great and Christ, they're doing even the travelling DIY, Cook it yourself from a skip, Dress up a murder scene and makeover my ugly dog type shows with style.
Right back at you TV3
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 6/22/2006 1:58 PM |
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d'you know what mully and punchbowl... if you believe in it, sign it... it takes 2 seconds.... if you don't, don't...
it is worth signing for a worthy cause whether you deem it 'doomed' or not
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Protein biscuitBasic Member Posts:364
| 6/22/2006 1:58 PM |
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Yes. World Cup coverage is second to none. The panel back in the studio are outstanding. No platitudes or vacuous bullsh*t. It is rare hear someone's bona-fide actual opinion and not some ambiguous response that attempts to please everyone.
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off the postBasic Member Posts:284
| 6/22/2006 2:40 PM |
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Agreed, their WC coverage is great. Billo is a Legend. I just wonder though, how many more half hours they can get out of property programmes. Gawd I'm sick of them or maybe they just reflect this country's obsession with property anyway.
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 6/22/2006 2:57 PM |
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i agree wholeheartedly on the WC coverage... when you compare it to flippant laddish BBC and especially the painful ITV coverage, the analysis is streets ahead...
as for property shows, i agree - no-one will ever come close to property ladder or grand designs on C4 so why bother... i do love them shows, i do...
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| 6/22/2006 3:23 PM |
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Originally posted by palace
i agree wholeheartedly on the WC coverage... when you compare it to flippant laddish BBC and especially the painful ITV coverage, the analysis is streets ahead...
and john giles dresses up as a gangster occassionally! that white tie and black shirt the other night would seem to indicate that someone has been watching the godfather box set!
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 6/22/2006 3:34 PM |
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Originally posted by palace
if you believe in it, sign it... it takes 2 seconds.... if you don't, don't...
it is worth signing for a worthy cause whether you deem it 'doomed' or not
If I believe in the cause or not is irrelevent, the method is what I have a problem with. I don't believe Online petitions work. Simple as.
So, if my online petition to ban online petitions is successful, then I'll have been proved wrong & people can go ahead with online petitions. Oh wait ... |
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 6/22/2006 3:41 PM |
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they don't work when people don't sign them because they don't believe they'll work...
...not the best method, agreed, but for all the time it takes, they're still worth signing if you believe in the cause... people moan about things and don't do anything about it, in this country especially
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 6/22/2006 5:05 PM |
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Originally posted by palace
people moan about things and don't do anything about it, in this country especially
Is that a moan, Palace ?  |
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palaceBasic Member Posts:392
| 6/22/2006 5:17 PM |
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moaning is my specialty, mully...
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AntistarAdvanced Member Posts:544
| 6/23/2006 5:54 PM |
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Originally posted by Mully
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Originally posted by Jairzinho
Here is a petition that has been set up to save Rattlebag
http://www.petitiononline.com/rattlebg/petition.html
I'm gonna start an online petition to stop online petitions.
Would anyone here sign up ?
No, I'm going start an online petition to stop people online trying stop online petitions. Online.
Seriously, though why they go the whole hog and axe the angelus as well. Those dongs have seen their listenership figures plummet too, I'd say. Maybe they should get Derek Mooney to vocalise the dongs and then going Byeeeeeee at the end cos everyone loves Derek Mooney.
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