Gar Veteran Member Posts:1676  
| 10/5/2005 11:35 AM |
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Is this tacky?
I've noticed a trend of this happening lately. When flicking through the channels I saw Modest Mouse on the O.C. and both Aimee Mann and James Taylor have appeared on The West Wing recently. While it's good that decent musicians are getting national and international coverage, I can't help but feel like its very cringe-worthy stuff.
There's also a buckling trend of TV shows trying to get the hottest new band to feature on their soundtrack or during a show e.g. last year Coldplay had songs featured on The Sopranos, The Shield, The O.C. and Six Feet Under. Is this TV corporations acknowledging their younger audience or is it simply using music that flows with the plot of the show?
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WhoMe Basic Member Posts:191
| 10/5/2005 12:23 PM |
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zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz (imature, pointless reply I KNOW)
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klootfan Advanced Member Posts:851
| 10/5/2005 12:35 PM |
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I suppose bands see this as an easier way of getting exposure which radio would not normally offer, non specialist radio that is. In times gone by the only means of getting exposure was probably to release the single, submit it to the radio stations and hope for airplay. That and touring.
Since non specialist radio no longer plays non mtv friendly music access to the ordinary joe soaps living room has been cut off... TV appearences open this door again.
my 0.02c
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 10/5/2005 1:20 PM |
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I had a hoooouge discussion re this a while back. I guess to me... in my opinion
.. it really depends on the band - and the show.
The Killers featured on the O.C. doesnt really suprise me.
They are kitschy indie pop and totally commercial.
However I did see The Walkmen on it and that to me was a load of b****x.
I knew them previously as Jonathan Fireeater and have seen many interviews
with them etc etc.
They gave off the whole punk rock mentaity -
dirty gritty hard work....keepin it real yadda yadda
And then they're on the O. f**kin C.?
now THATS a load of b****x.
Interpol featuring in Friends too - man I gotta say i wasnt overly impressed.
I guess I do just have a very romantic notion of music for the sake of music
but in fairness its something I practice as well as preach.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 10/5/2005 2:30 PM |
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The OC, Friends etc is art (drama, comedy, dramedy.whatever), it's really s**tty art but it's art all the same and I don't have a problem with other art being sed to enhance it. Films have been doing it for years.
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 10/5/2005 2:43 PM |
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Ah come on man. Its is different.
Films usually use music to enhance the atmosphere of a scene.
Whereas I very much doubt they were concerned with that when
(i dont know the names entirely)...
'Seth' and 'Summer' were bitching about whos shoes cost more etc etc
to a back drop of the Walkmen playing in the local youth club.
Thats just blatant commercialisation and for bands that give off
one image and not follow through well, I tend to loose respect rapidly.
And that case was quite an outrageously blatant display.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 10/5/2005 3:16 PM |
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What happened to the days when a band was happy with a slot on the Tonight Show with Carson/Leno? or in our case The Late Late, or even Live at Three, giving us these kind of surreal moments:
Derek: "So Thelma, what have we got coming up this afternoon"
Thelma "Well later, we'll be showing you how to crochet your own bridgets' cross, but first heres a band whose drummer just happens to be the producers nephew"
*cue sound loud 80s Dublin indie, half dribbling Daniel O'Donnell loving audience has a coronary, other half claps along indifferently*
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sweetieBasic Member Posts:132
| 10/5/2005 4:11 PM |
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Remember the hormones (marc carrol from puppy love bomb) doing the wedding for Ross and one
of his wives on friends. That was fairly tacky!
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 10/5/2005 4:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Binokular
What happened to the days when a band was happy with a slot on the Tonight Show with Carson/Leno? or in our case The Late Late
dude... the introduction of Boyzone on the Late Late... what a pure pure moment for Irish music fans everywhere... almost brings a tear to my eye.
The standard really has gone down with the kids these days..... |
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Rev JulesVeteran Member Posts:1041
| 10/5/2005 8:03 PM |
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This is nothing new, Waylon Jennings was a cast member of the 'Dukes of Hazzard' tv show, a tradition carried on by Willie Nelson in the movie version, ding, dang, doogly doo, I sure love that film.
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fiddlechick New Member Posts:63
| 10/6/2005 1:14 AM |
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The OC thing of band playing gig for the hip teenager seems to be a "throwback" (why do people seem to use that word so much?) to the Beverly Hills 902010 era.
As part of my student existence I was watching Beverly Hills 902010 some morning last week on Sky - it was the first time I've ever watched a whole episoide - to my surprise the Flaming Lips appeared in their local bar place singing "She don't use jelly" and then the video was played during the credits.
The older blond guy who's kinda sleazy turns to one of the girls while they're playing and says " I don't normally like alternative music, but the Flaming Lips are great" and then goes back to talking about the "campus rapist" that's terrorising the masses....not the most perfect segue in the world!
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fiddlechickNew Member Posts:63
| 10/6/2005 1:26 AM |
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And on the theme of country stars on the box (Willie and Waylon) you can't leave out the phenomenal piece of groundbreaking TV shown on TV3 on Saturday mornings featuring Billy Ray Cyrus as "Doc" - a hillbilly/cowboy type character uprooted and transplanted to NYC. It's so bad it's nearly enjoyable but Billy Ray's theme tune "Stand Still" doesn't seem that awful on first listen. However, when one purchases "Time flies" the album from the which the song comes and listens to it a few times, one deserves the wrenching headache that accompanies this foray into unbelievably-bad-country-music. I know I should've known better (Achy Breaky Heart, for goodness sake) but still....
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 10/6/2005 3:01 AM |
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F*ck it lads, I think the Walkmen, the Flaming Lips, Modest Mouse and whoever else you want to mention are completely justified in appearing in these shows. If MTV or commercial radio won't play their music during peak time hours then these bands are dead right to show some inniative and try and expose their music to a larger audience. I think they should be applauded for it. I don't see it as selling out as they're not diluting their music in any way. They're just presenting their music to an audience that wouln't usually be exposed to them.
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sweetieBasic Member Posts:132
| 10/6/2005 9:24 AM |
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I can just imagine blonde receding hair guy, Shannon doherty, Jason Priestley and tori Spelling listening to the Flaming Lips 'Zaireka' on all their car stereos in quadrophonic sounds. Now that
would be worth taping.
I agree with Stroller though and it is a thrill to watch some old movie from the eighties or
nineties and catch a band that you used to love back in the day. Didn't the afghan whigs do the
music for some movie years ago?
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 10/6/2005 12:02 PM |
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bell x1 played that show (oc) last year - according to them it made a huge difference to how they were perceived and treated in the states, raised their profile a lot. can't see why any band wouldn't or shouldn't want that really.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 10/6/2005 12:55 PM |
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I suppose the other thing to remember is that on TV, the "Music" channels don't really play much music any more. MTV/VH1 are more about reality TV, celebrity gossip, etc. The heyday of the music video was in the 80s and its been slowly declining since, so if people aren't watching music TV as much, where on TV do you showcase your music?
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 10/6/2005 1:08 PM |
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Originally posted by jmc105
bell x1 played that show (oc) last year - according to them it made a huge difference to how they were perceived and treated in the states, raised their profile a lot. can't see why any band wouldn't or shouldn't want that really.
It's also made a huge difference to how they are perceived and treated in Ireland. A friend of mine went to see them last time they played Galway and with the exception of himself the audience was comprised almost exclusively of screaming 18 year old girls. Incidently the biggest cheer of the night arrived when the band anounced that "the next song we're going to play recently featured in an episode of the O.C." I also remember reading on these boards that the band faced a very similar audience and reaction when they played in Dublin a couple of days previously. |
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Vent My SpleenAdvanced Member Posts:500
| 10/6/2005 1:23 PM |
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Sweetie, the Whigs were in the background as a bar band in the film Beautiful Girls singing Barry White's 'Can't get enough of your Love, Babe'. Film was ok, great band though.
Short of a band back tracking on some form of idealogical anti-corporate stance, you can't really blame them for allowing their songs to be used in the US when a favourable placing on a TV show could give you the same exposure as years of touring.
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
| 10/6/2005 1:26 PM |
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Its the age old new fan/old fan debate.
I ave noticed the change in Bellx1s fanbase. I dont let it get to me, most of the time. But yeah, the reaction to eve (I reckon is one of their poorest song) gets me everytime. I've never been a 17yr old girl, so I dont know if its normal.
Teenage girls at gigs are great, far easier to see the stage. I saw fcuk all of Interpol in Olympia a few months ago, bar the red lights on the background above them :(
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benniAdvanced Member Posts:947
| 10/6/2005 1:31 PM |
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Stoller and Binokular - i agree with both those points even though they are conficting. There is very little 'music' tv these days - altho mtv2 do try their best and shows like 120minutes have provided me with many cool little bands i never would have heard of otherwise.
But then when you read anecdotes like Strollers of BellX1 its like - is that what you would really want? Its a catch22 situation i guess - but enough bands still steer clear of that kinda s**t these days and still manage to get along - even without the assistance of huge marketing campaigns and advertising.
I guess it just depends on your own code of living really.
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 10/6/2005 1:42 PM |
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Isn't the answer having more shows like 'Later......With Jools Holland'? Obviously not a carbon copy but putting the cameras on musicians from every genre and allowing them time to play to millions. Plus having a host like Jools usually makes it that bit more watchable.
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 10/6/2005 2:24 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by stroller
It's also made a huge difference to how they are perceived and treated in Ireland. A friend of mine went to see them last time they played Galway and with the exception of himself the audience was comprised almost exclusively of screaming 18 year old girls. Incidently the biggest cheer of the night arrived when the band anounced that "the next song we're going to play recently featured in an episode of the O.C." I also remember reading on these boards that the band faced a very similar audience and reaction when they played in Dublin a couple of days previously.
think i've seem them 3 times now, once in dolans, once in de barras (amazing gig), and once, post-oc, in the olympia. didn't notice any big difference in the audience, maybe i'm just not that observant! altho i think if teengage girls go to the gigs and enjoy them, then great. if they don't, they won't come back i suppose...
the big advantage a show like the oc has when it comes to showcasing a band - over a show like later...with jools holland - is that it reaches a different audience from the music fans that will watch a purely music-driven show. so i think it'd still be just as big a boost for a band's profile to feature on the oc if there were more shows like later... or if mtv did actually play some music once in a while. |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 10/6/2005 2:51 PM |
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thats true, most people who watch shows like Later.. are into music anyway, while shows like the OC would appeal more to the casual listener. The potential rewards of appearing on a show like the OC are absolutely huge, it could break you. So while you may not agree with the whole corporate whoredom thang, if you were in a band with a fistful of good tunes and no real audience, would you refuse?
The OC fans may only go to one gig, but if these gigs sell out/more records than they usually would, that will raise the profile of the band and bring them to an even wider (more acceptable?) audience.
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sweetieBasic Member Posts:132
| 10/6/2005 3:48 PM |
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I saw some of the bellx1 set in Tower records last week and couldn't help but overhear
people around me mentioning the OC at least three times. Not just teenage girls mind
but obviously they are gaining some new interest. I was listening to 'Neither am I' in
work today and when someone asked what it was they were interested because it was the
irish band from the OC. Now, 15 months ago they couldn't be arsed when I was raving about
'Music in mouth.' I don't care who is into a band or how they market themselves as long as
the end product is interesting and challenging.
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DamienBasic Member Posts:316
| 10/10/2005 5:23 PM |
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Everyone seems to be forgetting that being on television is lots of fun. Especially when it's some poxy f**king teen c**t s**te like the OC. I would have jumped at the chance to have my band play on Beverly Hills 90210, only fate snatched it away from me. The telly is ace.
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vile niallNew Member Posts:9
| 10/14/2005 12:11 PM |
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Originally posted by benni
quote:
Originally posted by Binokular
What happened to the days when a band was happy with a slot on the Tonight Show with Carson/Leno? or in our case The Late Late
dude... the introduction of Boyzone on the Late Late... what a pure pure moment for Irish music fans everywhere... almost brings a tear to my eye.
The standard really has gone down with the kids these days.....
One of the most disgraceful incidents in the history of Irish broadcasting. Conclusive proof that this countrys national broadcaster was utterly corrupt and was over paying people to do nothing but do backhand favours for their buddies. A pox on them.
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akablueNew Member Posts:78
| 10/17/2005 10:24 AM |
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Nobody tell you people that everyone has a price? If the money's right then of course s**t bands are going to appear on s**ttier US teen shows as the hot band du jour. The OC making it onto an Irish music forum....as I live and breathe!
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 10/17/2005 3:12 PM |
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Originally posted by akablue
Nobody tell you people that everyone has a price? If the money's right then of course s**t bands are going to appear on s**ttier US teen shows as the hot band du jour. The OC making it onto an Irish music forum....as I live and breathe!
maybe i'm wrong, but i doubt if bands appearing on that show get much cash for it - it's not as if the producers of the oc need high-profile (and expensive) acts to boost their ratings. what the bands get out of it, and what most of this thread is about, is the publicity and recognition bands can gain from appearing on popular tv shows.
as for the oc "making it onto an irish music forum" - why not? bell x1 are an irish band. |
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akablueNew Member Posts:78
| 10/17/2005 3:42 PM |
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Originally posted by jmc105
quote:
Originally posted by akablue
Nobody tell you people that everyone has a price? If the money's right then of course s**t bands are going to appear on s**ttier US teen shows as the hot band du jour. The OC making it onto an Irish music forum....as I live and breathe!
maybe i'm wrong, but i doubt if bands appearing on that show get much cash for it - it's not as if the producers of the oc need high-profile (and expensive) acts to boost their ratings. what the bands get out of it, and what most of this thread is about, is the publicity and recognition bands can gain from appearing on popular tv shows.
as for the oc "making it onto an irish music forum" - why not? bell x1 are an irish band.
Well call me cynical but I'm sure they're getting a few schekels for their troubles, as for the publicity & recogntion they get I s'ppose it just depends on the kind of publicity & recognition they want. Some people are less fussy than others I quess. |
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 10/17/2005 10:01 PM |
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Yeah, it's not like they had released 2 excellent albums by that point and failed to make an impression abroad thorugh the conventional channels or anything...
Oh wait.
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vile niallNew Member Posts:9
| 10/20/2005 12:53 PM |
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Originally posted by jmc105
quote:
Originally posted by akablue
Nobody tell you people that everyone has a price? If the money's right then of course s**t bands are going to appear on s**ttier US teen shows as the hot band du jour. The OC making it onto an Irish music forum....as I live and breathe!
maybe i'm wrong, but i doubt if bands appearing on that show get much cash for it - it's not as if the producers of the oc need high-profile (and expensive) acts to boost their ratings. what the bands get out of it, and what most of this thread is about, is the publicity and recognition bands can gain from appearing on popular tv shows.
as for the oc "making it onto an irish music forum" - why not? bell x1 are an irish band.
I have it on good authority that Alabama 3 recieved a "one-off" (i.e no royalties or repeat points) of STG£40,000 for the use of 'Woke Up This Morning' as the theme tune to The Sopranos.
A quick bit of math for BX1 having a bit of a song (not sure how much -don't listen to BX1 and don't watch OC) used in one episode would suggest they're payment was a good bit downwind of that figure. Never know though. |
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 10/20/2005 1:10 PM |
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That's a class tune at the start of The Sopranos. I also really like the song that starts 'The Wire', does anyone know what it is and who it's by?
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 10/20/2005 8:08 PM |
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Originally posted by vile niall
I have it on good authority that Alabama 3 recieved a "one-off" (i.e no royalties or repeat points) of STG£40,000 for the use of 'Woke Up This Morning' as the theme tune to The Sopranos.
A quick bit of math for BX1 having a bit of a song (not sure how much -don't listen to BX1 and don't watch OC) used in one episode would suggest they're payment was a good bit downwind of that figure. Never know though.
don't watch the oc either, just seen bits and pieces, but what they do is they have a featured band every now and then as part of the show. like, one person says, 'hey, are you going to the concert tonight?' and the other says 'sure, man, i love bell x1!'. and then they all go to the gig and it's bell x1 "live on stage". i think they played 'eve...' as the 'live' song, and i think 'in every sunflower' was used too, just on the soundtrack. don't know who else has 'performed' on the show, apart from rachael yamagata, which i also randomly caught... |
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 10/21/2005 10:16 AM |
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Originally posted by jmc105
don't watch the oc either, just seen bits and pieces, but what they do is they have a featured band every now and then as part of the show. like, one person says, 'hey, are you going to the concert tonight?' and the other says 'sure, man, i love bell x1!'. and then they all go to the gig and it's bell x1 "live on stage". i think they played 'eve...' as the 'live' song, and i think 'in every sunflower' was used too, just on the soundtrack. don't know who else has 'performed' on the show, apart from rachael yamagata, which i also randomly caught...
That's not how they were featured, I don't watch the show but the scene on which they were featured was the one that caused all the furore in the states because it had the realllllllllyyyyy skinny blonde/light brown haired one making out with some other girl.
I believe that Modest Mouse were featured in the manner which you described. |
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