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Mercury Prize nominations
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7/19/2005 9:51 AM
    Mercury nominations are announced later today. Anyone want to make a call on the Best British & Irish album of the last 12mths ?
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    7/19/2005 10:00 AM
    Reckon Tom Vek could be in the nominations... No way could I call the winner - even when I see the nominatins - considering how varied the winners are.
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    7/19/2005 10:05 AM
    The Go! Team - Thunder, Lightning, Strike would get my vote, although I don't know if it would get a look-in. Its far more likely to go to someone like The Futureheads of Bloc Party given current tastes.
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    7/19/2005 10:07 AM
    Yea The Futureheads and Bloc Party have a great chance too - although of the two it would more deserving to The Futureheads in my opinion.
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    7/19/2005 10:20 AM
    Doves Some Citieswould be a worthy winner, think they were up for it before with 'Last Broadcast' Magic Numbers will win.
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    7/19/2005 10:23 AM
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    7/19/2005 11:12 AM
    I think it'll probably be won by kt tunstall. at least she'll be nominated.
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    7/19/2005 11:19 AM
    i'd say it will be one of the following: MIA (the mercurys like these egdy urban-ish albums) Magic Numbers (new band of the year) Four Tet (not his best album but the Mercurys overlooked him before) KT Tunstall (bland Dido) James Blunt (bland Dido with testicles)
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    7/19/2005 11:28 AM
    Yeah MIA is probably a front runner considering Dizzee Rascal won it previously.
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    7/19/2005 11:32 AM
    Lets forget the obligatory obscure jazz or folk singer as sponsored by BBC Radio 4.
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    7/19/2005 12:31 PM
    The Mercury Prize nominees for this year have been announced, with Coldplay, Kaiser Chiefs and KT Tunstall making it onto the shortlist. The nominations include Anthony and the Johnson's 'I Am A Bird Now', Bloc Party's 'Silent Alarm', Coldplay's 'X&Y', The Go! Team's 'Thunder, Lightning, Strike', Hard Fi's 'Stars of CCTV' KT Tunstall's 'Eye of the Telescope'. Kaiser Chief's 'Employment', The Magic Numbers self-titled album, Maximo Park's 'A Certain Trigger', M.I.A.'s 'Arular', Polar Bear's 'Held on the Tips of Fingers' Seth Lakeman's 'Kitty Jay'. Eight of the albums named on this year's shortlist are debut albums. Coldplay's 'X&Y' is the biggest selling album of the year so far. Kaiser Chiefs are currently the bookmakers' favourite to claim the £20,000 prize, with their album 'Employment'. The Mercury shortlist was chosen by a panel of music industry experts, with the 12 nominees being chosen from 170 entries. Simon Frith, chairperson of the judges, said: "The renaissance in British music continues with the emergence of a wealth of new talents, demonstrated by the presence of eight debut albums on this year's Nationwide Mercury Prize shortlist." Franz Ferdinand took the award last year for their debut album and previous winners include Dizzee Rascal, Ms Dynamite, PJ Harvey and Badly Drawn Boy.
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    7/19/2005 12:31 PM
    A few suprises there - and what in the name of good f**k is Hard-Fi doing in there...Jesus H Christ. Bloc Party & Kaiser Chiefs were a given but neither deserve it. And no Futureheads? Maximo Park tho!!!! Legends!
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    7/19/2005 12:33 PM
    I'd go for Bloc Party, The Magic Numbers or M.I.A. to win it. Very surprised at Coldplay and Hard-Fi being in there.
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    7/19/2005 12:34 PM
    who the feck are polar bear? I still think MIA with Magic Numbers, Antony and The Johnsons and Go! Team close behind. Can't see them giving it to Kaiser Chiefs or Coldplay and dont think the Bloc Party album is anywhere as good as Franz Ferdinand was last year. can i assume that Seth Lakeman is the token jazz/blues/world/classical dude? Wonder who would be on an Irish Mercurys list?
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    7/19/2005 12:39 PM
    I'm flying the Maximo park flag on the basis of the jerky singer/keyboard player dance combo alone.... might even make a few badges.
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    7/19/2005 12:59 PM
    Yes Pilchard, who on God's earth are Polar Bear??? Magic Numbers: good band, nice tunes, nice people, accessible, inoffensive, etc or MIA: edgy, urban, shows that the judges are down wit da word on da street, dog, yo,yo yo etc...to win!
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    7/19/2005 1:05 PM
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    Yes Pilchard, who on God's earth are Polar Bear???
    I shiver, reading the first press quote .... Musical w**king as a wiser man than I, said. http://www.babellabel.co.uk/The%20Babel%20Label-2552.htm
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    7/19/2005 1:08 PM
    Futureheads and maximo park belong on some other list, the crap list. Bloc Party should get it. Tom Vek should have been in with a chance too. As for hard-fi, pfhhh
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    7/19/2005 1:14 PM
    unless polar bear are from leitrim or somewhere (or unless we claim antony and the johnsons under the UEFA parentage rule), it seems there are no irish albums on the mercury shortlist. is this an oversight on the part of the mercury people? does the music world in the UK really follow what happens in ireland (i.e. dublin) ....or are the irish albums of the last 12 months just not good enough?
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    7/19/2005 1:19 PM
    Yea i thought that Hal might have been in with a chance for an Irish entry- theres been a lot of UK press on their album. Obviously not.
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    7/19/2005 1:41 PM
    Best Irish album of the past year is probably the Jape one and it's the sorta thing that the Mercury crowd would like. Who won it last year? If it was mainstream it'll be an obscure winner this time around and vice versa.
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    7/19/2005 1:42 PM
    It was the Franz' last year
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    7/19/2005 1:50 PM
    In that case I'm tipping MIA (horrendous by the way) or Polar Bears (who) or Seth Lakeman (ditto).
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    7/19/2005 2:26 PM
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    it seems there are no irish albums on the mercury shortlist. is this an oversight on the part of the mercury people? does the music world in the UK really follow what happens in ireland (i.e. dublin) ....or are the irish albums of the last 12 months just not good enough?
    First off hardly anyone outside of Dublin let alone Ireland follows what's happening in the Irish music scene (and in fairness there's sweet f*ck all to follow). Secondly 99% of the Irish albums of the last 12 months (or 5 years for that matter) are not good enough and the ones that are probably haven't secured an international release. I've been trying to pick up a couple of Redneck Manifesto albums online for a while now and the only website I could find that stocked them belonged to Road Records in Dublin. With that kind of distribution they're hardly going to set anyone's imagination alight across the pond now are they? With regards to the nominees I'd be happy if anyone of the following won the mercury; Anthony and the Johnsons: I Am A Bird Now Bloc Party: Silent Alarm The Go! Team: Thunder, Lightning, Strike The Magic Numbers: The Magic Numbers Jamie Lidell and Tom Vek should both feel very hard done by for not being nominated. The Futureheads weren't nominated because their album was released over 12 months ago. Maximo Park have some great singles but it's not a great album, ditto the Kaier Chiefs. Unfortunately though I reckon M.I.A. will probably win it. The mercury music prize judges are mostly middle class, middle aged white men who get confused by urban music and often give it praise because they just don't understand it. Their rule of thumb is that if you don't know what to think of an "urban" album than just give it a five star review. It could end up being the rap/grime/garage/drum and bass equilivant of Sgt Peppers and no-one wants to end up with egg on their face. Let's not forget that Roni Size's New Forms album won the award ahead of Radiohead's OK Computer. Which album seems more relevant now? And the really sad part is that M.I.A. herself isn't really that talented. She's just a hip minority poster girl with a weak voice. The real talent behind that album is the A&R man who recruited Ross Orton from the Fat Truckers and Diplo to do the production.
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    7/19/2005 2:38 PM
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    i'd say it will be one of the following: KT Tunstall (bland Dido) James Blunt (bland Dido with testicles)
    How much more bland can you get?
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    7/19/2005 5:21 PM
    None more...none more bland
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    7/19/2005 5:23 PM
    I think it'll be the Magic Numbers this year. It would be worth it just to see their big smiling faces.
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    7/19/2005 5:28 PM
    In fairness, i dont think you could call KT Tunstall bland, particularly if you seen her live, cos she is normally a great liver performer and her songs sounds much better live, the album really doesnt do her undeniable talent justice
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    7/19/2005 5:54 PM
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    In fairness, i dont think you could call KT Tunstall bland, particularly if you seen her live, cos she is normally a great liver performer and her songs sounds much better live, the album really doesnt do her undeniable talent justice
    ah b****x. i saw her in clonmel the other week and was bored rigid, dido in disguise as for polar bear.....just found out that theyre jazzzzzzzzzz. lovely, while i applaud the mercury people for their sterling efforts to bring lesser known acts and musical styles to us, can anyone actually name a few of the acts in the "other" category down the years? apart from gavin bryars "jesus blood never failed me yet", i can't remember anyone. must check mercury site.....
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    7/19/2005 10:00 PM
    Mercury Music prize like most awards, is pretty much a bag of s**te. Why is there always someone hairy from Devon in the running? Hopefully MIA or Bloc Party will win. That Hard:Fi record has 3 good singles on it. Kaiser Chiefs album is great, as is Maximo Park, but they're all as mainstream as you can get really, apart from maybe A and the Js and the Go! Team (which, in fairness, are pretty messy) I completely agree that Jamie Lidell should've been in there, as stupid as indignation should be. Not Tom Vek though. that album annoys me. There were no good Irish albums this year to speak of, so it's not surprising that none are nominated.
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    7/19/2005 10:13 PM
    if their is justice, Anthony and the Johnsons will win. thats one of the greates albums ive ever heard
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    7/19/2005 10:57 PM
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    Originally posted by stroller Let's not forget that Roni Size's New Forms album won the award ahead of Radiohead's OK Computer. Which album seems more relevant now?
    Thats a pretty unfair comparison, but thats ok, I think your comment stems more from a misunderstanding of why drum'n'bass no longer seems relevant. Firstly, New Forms is pretty much the pinnacle of the style of Drum'n'Bass Roni size was pursuing, it's still probably the most critically and commercially successful DnB album ever, perhaps with the exception of Goldies' "Timeless". Basically the problem with DnB is that its got such a singular almost blinkered aesthetic, searching for the perfect breakbeat, it leads to a logical conclusion and an artistic dead end really. I mean the name of the genre should give it away, it's an interesting genre but ultimately one that by its very nature limits itself. A bit like punk really, as soon as you learned that fourth chord, its not punk anymore. As soon as you stray from DnBs "rules" it starts to become something else. I think OK computer is seen as more "relevant" because it has "proper" songs that people can still latch on to, and also, unlike Roni Size, has a host of mainstream imitators. I don't think either album is more relevant, to me anyway, both would spend equal amounts of time in my stereo these days (not much) and theres still something people can take away from listening to New Forms. Music always go through phases anyway, so who's to say whats relevant, who would have thought "gang of four" would suddenly be the most relevant retro influence? Prog rock is on the way back according to some. I'll leave it up to you to decide which album is better, but New Forms was certainly not an unworthy winner that year.
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    7/19/2005 11:25 PM
    right this one has been bugging me all day so i might as well let off some steam here. if there was an IRISH ONLY type of mercury, who would win it? What irish album from the last 12 months say deserves a bit of hoopla and praise I'm going to kick off with The Radio and let other people stick in their oar as they see fit. All styles, all kinds, all shapes, all sizes. Why The Radio? Because it still sounds right a good year after its release, because i love the way the girl's voice works with the backing and the fact that i still can't get "Whatever Gets You Through" out of my head.
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    7/20/2005 10:17 AM
    Hey As far as I know, with the Mercury prize. the album needs to entered to have a chance of a nomination, thus I guess it is possible that many Irish acts didnt think of entering
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    7/20/2005 11:00 AM
    Isn't the prize only open to UK artists or something?
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    7/20/2005 11:02 AM
    What's the story with this prize anyway? I was wondering too if it was only open to UK artists. Why then are Anthony and the Johnsons shortlisted? They are from NYC.
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    7/20/2005 12:55 PM
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    What's the story with this prize anyway? I was wondering too if it was only open to UK artists. Why then are Anthony and the Johnsons shortlisted? They are from NYC.
    Antony Hegarty was born in Chicester, England and holds a UK passport so he qualifies Acts who wish to be considered for the Mercury apply by sending in 10 copies of their album and a fee (think its 200 sterling). a long list is compiled and then judges whittle it down to a 10 CD shortlist. judges then meet on the night to have a good old barney about who wins. black eyes are not unknown.
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    7/20/2005 12:58 PM
    Apparently its open to acts from the UK and Ireland - The Thrills were in there last year(or the year before) with a nomination.I was thinking about Anthony and the Johnsons too - NYC me thinks also. Then again maybe the 2nd cousin's mothers uncle of the session guitarists on the album is from London or somethin'.
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    7/20/2005 1:00 PM
    ah ok - I only see Pilchards post now.
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    7/20/2005 4:43 PM
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    I just got one that says, "Like music and Jewellry ?" If you are a rapper then the answer is, "YES"
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    7/20/2005 5:10 PM
    I'd be more into the Mercury if it was for bands on indie labels that might actually need that money or maybe if it was limited to debuts or something. A win for Coldplay would mean nothing to them critically or commercially. I cant imagine Chris Martin packing up 10 CDs in a jiffy bag and sending away his postal order for entry. Then again...
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    7/20/2005 6:55 PM
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    Originally posted by stroller Let's not forget that Roni Size's New Forms album won the award ahead of Radiohead's OK Computer. Which album seems more relevant now?
    Thats a pretty unfair comparison, but thats ok, I think your comment stems more from a misunderstanding of why drum'n'bass no longer seems relevant.....Basically the problem with DnB is that its got such a singular almost blinkered aesthetic, searching for the perfect breakbeat, it leads to a logical conclusion and an artistic dead end really.
    I'm sorry horse but I think you're the one who misundestands drum and bass. For years drum and bass slipped into a creative lull because producers STOPPED searching for the perfect breakbeat. They kept using the same one over and over again - the Amen Break (sampled from the track Amen My Brother by The Winstons), and rather than try and manipulate and restructure the break they just lifted it wholesale and churned out countless generic two-steppers. It's only in recent years with the emergence of artists like Paradox and labels like Breakin, that producers have gone back to the Amen Break and started chopping it up and programming their drums in a more innovative matter. Rather than leading to an artistic dead end these producers have ushered in some of the most interesting drum and bass records since it's mid-90's hey day.
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    7/20/2005 7:06 PM
    Would anyone agree with me that the shortlist prize is the best crappy award in the world?
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    7/20/2005 7:58 PM
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    Originally posted by stroller Let's not forget that Roni Size's New Forms album won the award ahead of Radiohead's OK Computer. Which album seems more relevant now?
    Thats a pretty unfair comparison, but thats ok, I think your comment stems more from a misunderstanding of why drum'n'bass no longer seems relevant.....Basically the problem with DnB is that its got such a singular almost blinkered aesthetic, searching for the perfect breakbeat, it leads to a logical conclusion and an artistic dead end really.
    I'm sorry horse but I think you're the one who misundestands drum and bass. For years drum and bass slipped into a creative lull because producers STOPPED searching for the perfect breakbeat. They kept using the same one over and over again - the Amen Break (sampled from the track Amen My Brother by The Winstons), and rather than try and manipulate and restructure the break they just lifted it wholesale and churned out countless generic two-steppers. It's only in recent years with the emergence of artists like Paradox and labels like Breakin, that producers have gone back to the Amen Break and started chopping it up and programming their drums in a more innovative matter. Rather than leading to an artistic dead end these producers have ushered in some of the most interesting drum and bass records since it's mid-90's hey day.
    OK, fair enough, but what you're saying is than DnB is still relevant? So that makes New Forms pretty relevant. But heres the thing, if DnB is based mainly round the Amen Break, then theres a limit to what you can do really isn't there? Theres only so much one person can think to do with a sample before they need to move onfrom 2-step into something else, you have to waith for the next generation of artists to reinvent it again. The follow album to "New Forms", "in the Mode" saw Size/Reprazent move more into courting mainstrem hip hop, while the breakbeat elements didn't really progress, overall it was quite a disappointing follow-up. DnB is great and will have great moments every now and then, but its built on a fairly restrictive ideal.
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    7/20/2005 8:15 PM
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    I'd be more into the Mercury if it was for bands on indie labels that might actually need that money or maybe if it was limited to debuts or something. A win for Coldplay would mean nothing to them critically or commercially. I cant imagine Chris Martin packing up 10 CDs in a jiffy bag and sending away his postal order for entry. Then again...
    I hear ya... Thing is, the Mercury can do a lot of good if it recognises an outstanding album from the kind of new and/or indie act you mention, and proclaims it to a mainstream audience. That way, the kind of people who buy a handful of crap records a year might just sit up and take notice that a good but little-known act beat Coldplay and other big-hitters. Even for the likes of Maximo Park and Hard-Fi (both singles bands so far, I agree), they may be sneered at here as 'mainstream' but I wish to God that FM104 or 98FM would find an excuse to play them so as to turn on more kids to worthy music. Anyway, I'm sure Chris Martin is well capable of sending in his own entry... "Dear Mr. Mercury, I am a singer in a band called Coldplay. I loved A Night At The Opera and all you did for Live Aid. I think it's BRILLIANT. Here is our new album called X&Y."
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    7/21/2005 12:53 AM
    I think that bookies odds of 4/1 on Kaiser Cheifs winning looks like a good bet to me.
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    7/21/2005 8:51 AM
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    Would anyone agree with me that the shortlist prize is the best crappy award in the world?
    Oh no man not me. Well I think its much better than the Mercury's anyway. For example (and taking into consideration that this is an American award and thus their view of music is much more insular) last year (or the year before?) includeded nominations and performances from The Streets, The Black Keys, Cat Power, Bright Eyes, Interpol, Floetry, Damien Rice, Sigur Ros, YYY etc. Plus on the judging panel in the past there have been artists like Josh Homme, Erika Badu etc. A real mix and seems much more artistically focused. Granted that year Damien Rice won - is there no justice in the world?!?!?!
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    7/21/2005 4:31 PM
    I'd love to know how they decide which is the better album between say Coldplay and MIA. Silly.
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    7/21/2005 7:55 PM
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    Originally posted by benni Plus on the judging panel in the past there have been artists like Josh Homme, Erika Badu etc. A real mix and seems much more artistically focused. Granted that year Damien Rice won - is there no justice in the world?!?!?!
    It has had an odd run of winners: NERD Sigur Ros Damien Rice TV On The Radio Although I do applaud the fact that TV on the radio won it last year, fantastic album.
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    7/24/2005 6:32 PM
    what are the criteria for nominees anyhoo?
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    7/24/2005 8:10 PM
    shortlist or mercury?
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    7/24/2005 11:06 PM
    "Even for the likes of Maximo Park and Hard-Fi (both singles bands so far, I agree), they may be sneered at here as 'mainstream' but I wish to God that FM104 or 98FM would find an excuse to play them so as to turn on more kids to worthy music." and by 'worthy' music, surely you just mean rock music?
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    7/25/2005 3:39 AM
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    Originally posted by Unicron Although I do applaud the fact that TV on the radio won it last year, fantastic album.
    It is, isn't it? If you haven't heard it already you should check out the single New Health Rock which they released after the Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes album. You can check out an MP3 sample here; http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/mp3/TV%20On%20The%20Radio%20-%20New%20Health%20Rock.mp3 Also their debut EP Young Liars has got some great tracks on it including a bizarre barber shop quartet accapella version of Mister Grieves by the Pixies. Finally their lead singer appears on a track called Runaway on Apsci's debut album. Once again you can listen here; http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF186612-01-01-05.mp3
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    7/25/2005 1:53 PM
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    "Even for the likes of Maximo Park and Hard-Fi (both singles bands so far, I agree), they may be sneered at here as 'mainstream' but I wish to God that FM104 or 98FM would find an excuse to play them so as to turn on more kids to worthy music." and by 'worthy' music, surely you just mean rock music?
    Pretty much. You can see the FM104 playlist here: http://www.fm104.ie/chart.asp. I really do steer clear of them these days but when I had to work in a shop with it playing all day, FM104 was depressing stuff. It didn't matter that Radiohead had top 5 singles, were on Top of the Pops and sold 30,000 tickets to their RDS show, the stations still wouldn't play anything with guitars in it more 'challenging' than Cheryl Crow. I suspect it's all the same today: Stereophonics and Green Day being as adventurous as it gets. That said, there's some good pop music there - Mario, Jem, Gorillaz... By the way, I'm not sure how winning the Mercury Prize would change any of that, but it would help!
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    7/25/2005 6:57 PM
    I don't really count rock music as any worthier than another genre, and yeah, radio stations don't really play good pop music - especially fm104 which is just filler s**t. I don't think Radiohead are particularly 'challenging', and rock music is played way more than any other genre on the radio - it's just that most of today's rock music that does commercially well enough to be played on Dec and Joan in the afternoon or whatever, is s**t.
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    7/31/2005 2:02 PM
    anyway, let's remeber roni size http://jesuispie.herejezus.nl/weblog/pivot/entry.php?id=127
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    9/6/2005 11:49 PM
    And the winner is........Anthony & The Johnsons. Not who I would've picked now but at least Coldplay didn't get an award for a drowsy average album.
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    9/7/2005 11:27 AM
    yea I'm still not really feeling that lot I mean I know everyone loves em but they just dont really do it for me.... yet.
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    9/7/2005 11:41 AM
    In my view, the award was most deserved by either MIA or Seth Lakeman.
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    9/7/2005 3:23 PM
    Fair dues to him it's a great album.
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    9/7/2005 6:34 PM
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    In my view, the award was most deserved by either MIA or Seth Lakeman.
    I think MIA's stuff is terrible.
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    9/8/2005 7:34 PM
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    I think MIA's stuff is terrible.
    Fair enough. She is a love/hate artist. I just like that energy and brashness and I'm tired of sensitive white boy torch song crooners. Maybe that high falsetto sounds fresh in pop but I used to go out with this female chorister and I have heard my share of warbly vocals in my time. Wasn't that taken with his guest appearance on Lou Reeds last live album either, sorry Lou Check out 'Officium' by Jan Garbarek for how it should really be done. PS: Don't much like Rufus Wainwright, Marc Almond, Bronski Beat or Boy George much either so I guess I'm not the target audience. PPS: One thing ole Loudon certainly didn't pass onto his kids was a sense of humour.
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    9/8/2005 8:08 PM
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    Originally posted by Rev Jules PPS: One thing ole Loudon certainly didn't pass onto his kids was a sense of humour.
    OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhh, I wish I a lesbian and not a hetero.
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    9/11/2005 7:11 PM
    i think anthony and the johnstons album is great. it is offically Kierry's longest "getting into an album" period ever. but now - me likey. Mia - puke coldplay - snore that is all.


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