No, no they couldn't. They're a good stadium rock band that have written *some* super songs over the course of their loooonnnngggg career but best band in the world? No way. They weren't even the best band in the world back when they were "the best band in the world".

As Bono told Croke Park last night - "we're the world's worst wedding band, but the best rock band" Self praise is no praise - but they've done fairly well for themselves and not due to "animal magnetism" or sex appeal (except for Edge who is as Bono called him last night "a thing of rare beauty"!) In my humble opinion, and rather limited experience, having not heard all the bands in the world yet, I'd say they're the best. That opinion will be revised when I hear someone better than them. And who can put on a better show.

they are a local band gone on to dominate the world - great story they have never made a bad album (yes, even Pop) they have some of the biggest songs in rock they take up an incredible amount of time on the radio they have been going for nearly 30 years they posess a very good ability to reinvent themselves, and to draw from and create the zeitgeist of rock music they seem to appear to people of both sexes, of many ages, and many nationalities they are not afraid of bringing politics into the equation they have one of the most recognisable and charismatic front men as people (mainly Bono) , they have moved beyond the confines of a band to have vast influence on socio-political issues, and Bono is now recognised as legitimate a commentator as any on many global issues they have cris crossed the world countless times, always putting on formidable live shows their record sales are through the roof they create an almighty 'buzz' when they come to town - whatever town. In all of these senses, I would happily label U2 the "BIGGEST" band in the world. Regardless of personal taste, the quality of their music, the like-ability or lack thereof of band members, the probably are the "biggest" band in the world, if nothing else.

Well said Una

I'm not taking these things as 'virtues' per se, but all of these factors kind of allow them to 'qualify' for the position that they are in. Regarding 'How To Dismantle...', apart from being the lamest title for an album, yes, it is a bit messy. That said, 'City Of Blinding Lights', 'All Because Of You' and 'Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own' are massive songs, and excellent rock songs. I don't think many bands could boast to have 3 or 4 brilliant songs like that on an album, and if they did, I don't think they would deserve to be criticised for just making an album that featured them. For the record, I like 'Pop' because Wake Up Dead Man is amazing.

I actually like 'Rattle & Hum'. Their cover of 'Helter Skelter' isn't that bad, the duet with B.B. King on 'When Love Comes To Town' is pretty good, the version of 'Silver And Gold' is excellent and 'Angel Of Harlem' is decent too. Not the best live album (and if they released one on the Elevation tour it probably would've been better) but still an enjoyable listen. 'How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb' recieved so many mixed reviews. Personally, I think some of the songs are top notch on it. Ok the title is dreadful, the structure jumps about a bit but there are at least four or five songs on there that make it a really good album. Most people constantly refer back to 'Joshua Tree' as their best album but they are a different band now. I also think that 'All That You Can't Leave Behind' is one of their best albums. Most people assoicate it with 'Beautiful Day' or 'Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of' but there are numerous tunes packed in that are among the best the band have produced. It also has my personal favourite U2 song.

U2's last two albums have been disappointing. The band were obviously bruised by the backlash against 'Pop' and reacted with two very safe records. The sad thing here is that they realised that you cannot be the biggest band in the world ( self proclaimed or not ) and experiment as much as they did. The journey from Achtung Baby, through Zooropa ( Their best album ) to Pop ( Via Passengers ) is easily their most fruitful and certainly their most creative and mesmerizing. Even sections of ' All that you can't leave behind ( New York, Ground beneath her feet ) hark back to when they were unleashed and firing on all four creative cylinders, but the rest of it is just bland. Vertigo is a good single and it's a sure sign that they definitely still have it, and it buries the god-awful Elevation, but other than ' Original of the Species ' it's the albums standout track (by a mile) . Pop is an album well worth re-discovering. ' Mofo ' ' If God will send his Angels ' and ' Please ' are three of the bands best songs. And of course ' Gone ' is there too... Anyway, I'm off to the gig tonight and my chances of hearing any of the above are very slim, if last nights, safety first setlist is anything to go by!!.. Vertigo, Out Of Control, The Electric Co. / Bullet With Butterfly Wings (snippet) / Send In The Clowns (snippet) / I Can See For Miles (snippet), Elevation, New Year's Day, Beautiful Day / Blackbird (snippet), I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For, All I Want Is You, City Of Blinding Lights, Miracle Drug, Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own, Love And Peace Or Else, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Bullet The Blue Sky / The Hands That Built America (snippet) / When Johnny Comes Marching Home (snippet), Running To Stand Still / Happy Birthday (snippet) / Walk On (snippet), Pride (In The Name Of Love), Where The Streets Have No Name, One encores: Zoo Station, The Fly, Mysterious Ways, Party Girl, All Because Of You, Yahweh, Vertigo / The Boys Are Back In Town (snippet) / Jailbreak (snippet)

I wouldn't call the last two albums safe. I think that the band just took a conscious decision that they went through their experimental phase and wanted to return to the type of songwriting that probably best suits them. The Beatles did the same, taking a sharp left down a weird avenue to produce their best work in 'Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' and the White Album but they soon returned to a more measured style of songwriting and musicianship with 'Let It Be' and 'Abbey Road'. What I'm saying is that U2 have not gotten worse with their last two albums just that they can't keep reeling albums like 'Pop' out. And I think they are more comfortable doing the soaring anthem or deeply rooted tune. What is true from this debate however is that we would not be discussing the good & bad albums of U2 if they had not released some cracking material through the years and played some of the most memorable shows. So does that strip away all the fat to reveal that they ARE the best band in the world?

Not mad about U2 at all but respect due for the absolute belter that is 'the lady with the spinnin head', f**kin class

When they were promoting Zooropa (f**king class album) they kept banging on about how they were pushing the boundaries of music and how they were leading the way and that there is no point in making music to formulas. They totaly contradicted themselves with their last two albums. SAFE AS f**k albums with no originality in them at all

i went along last night as a curious onlooker (albeit curious onlooker with a friend who had a spare ticket). thought the gig was very ordinary. was a huge u2 fan when i was a kid but the last album was boring and the one before it lacked any sort of spark or spirit. the band looked like they were going thru the motions - i really didnt get any sense of excitement or buzz from what i heard. the new material was really weak as well - u can't fool 80,000 people and they were singing their hearts out for "bad" and "one" and the old stuff. i know the sales for the new album are big (10 million or so) but i think people havent invested as much time or effort in it as the old stuff thought the stageset was great but then, i didnt go to croker for that. i went for the music and what i heard was safe, unexciting, mundane stuff (through the worst PA i have ever heard at a big gig) as for the "best band in the world"....thats a real pub argument. i dont think they ever were the best band in the world - right now, there are a dozen bands who are streets ahead of u2 in terms of excitement and inventiveness but i dont think any of them will ever attain the longetivity or mainstream appeal of u2. that, however, doesnt make u2 the best - just the biggest. and as we all know, biggest aint necessarily best

The first two gigs in Croker the sets were pretty safe and the sets were not radically different between the two nights. However last night's 3rd and final Croker gig was another proposition. They took a few risks and, Christ, did it pay off. 'Gloria' got its first European airing on the tour as did 'Origin of the Species' (for which they sacrificed from the set list the ultra-safe crowd-pleaser 'New Years Day'). 'Bad' was also rolled out for the first time on the European leg and it was - quelle bleedin' surprise - as compelling as anything else in the set. The real treat however was to see them choose to play in front of 85,000 people 'An Cat Dubh' from Boy and, like on the album, to then seque it straight into 'Into the Heart'. Beautiful. And risky. Yeah, the crowd pleasers like ‘Pride’ and the (massively over-rated) 'Elevation' were all in there too but it was great to see them take risks with parts of the set list after the safer choices of the first 2 nights. And if that wasn't enough they wrapped it all up with '40'. Make no mistakes, this was vintage U2. One of the best performances I’d seen from them in a looooooooong time. eoghan

I strongly disagree with Pilchard and strongly agree with Eoghan. Last night's gig was excellent stuff. I'm not a huge U2 fan (I started this thread to garner reaction of a now cliched statement) and wasn't prepared to pay over the odds for a ticket to any of the Croker shows, since I'd stayed out overnight to get a ticket to Slane for the Elevation tour. But I was given a free ticket and even though it was upper tier in the Hogan Stand, I was delighted to go. I think that enjoying a gig depends on alot of factors: - The mood you are in - The company you are with - The people who surround you - The quality of the sound - The performance of the band If one of those isn't right than you might just end up hating a gig that thousands of others enjoyed. Personally, I thought it was a superb performance by the band and the crowd reacted well to most songs. Even the new stuff went down good, well in my section they did anyway. As Eoghan mentioned above there were many surprises on the set but I liked 'Miracle Drug' for the touching interlude, 'One' for the crowd's interaction with the song and 'Elevation' because it came across as being really raw. After last night (and seeing them in 2001) I'm pretty convinced that they are the best and biggest band around. Of course there are others to mention but only U2 can cram in honest blurbs on Human Rights, Religious Unity and Third World Poverty between soaring anthems.

I agree that alot of people dislike bono because of his political dealings, and i must admit that i am one of those. I think that he is using simplistic views on poverty and world problems to appeal to the ordinary joe soap. World poverty is a complex problem and its too easy to say that just clearing the debts of these countries will solve their problems. As a result of geldof and bonos stance, there is a feeling amongst the general public that clearing debt is a good thing to do and will help these countries. This is not always the case. Because of corruption, and excessive spending on weapons, alot of these countries will squander any debt relief and the people wont benefit.

"I think a lot of people don't like U2 because of Bono and the politics etc but, in my opinion, that is just petty. I mean he is definitely raising awareness, improving the image, and even gaining new support for very worthy causes. He definitely isn't doing any harm" This is debateable. One school of thought is that Bob and Bono are sailing the global justice movement down the river completely. I have to say that I disagree with the fact that they can 'fix' things by working within existing political structures, when those structures themselves are the reason for so much inequality in the world. I think Bob Geldof portrays a really distorted euro-centric image of Africa. Poverty exists on that continent, as it does anywhere for hundreds of factors, not just once of debt. Bob and Bono's all encompassing "let's fix this s**t" is as general and unhelpful as the rhetoric of the politicians who claim to be on their side. Yes, it is admirable to not just be singing about asses and cocaine, but when they step into a role that I'm not sure either of the two self confessed ego maniacs are suited to, and exercising incredible influence regarding THE WORLD, I just wish, as rock stars, they could do it in a way that does not bend towards the establishment that creates the problems. But, I guess their actions inspire debate, which is something. and anyway, I aint no Bono.

hmmm, i still dont see how he's actually causing harm by it though? and if people believe that dropping the debt will solve all the problems, obviously that is over simplistic, BUT, it will give countries a chance to invest more in themselves, and it is a start. Although definitely the arms issue needs to be addressed, (mind you im pretty sure that is also on the agenda, its just not as vocal/media friendly as the make poverty history campaign) In terms of sloganeering i thought thats what he was there for? no one (i hope) is going to believe bono is a world expert on poverty but if a random person hears aboout, say the make poverty history campaign, and then gets involved or even just reads up, hopefully they will be guided towards people with greater experience etc and can form their own opinion. Thats what i would see as the ultimate goal of bono etc, and unless he is gone up his own nose completely i would assume that thats what he thinks too.

I'm sure Bono's heart is in the right place, I'm sure it is. And I'm also certain that the reason Africa (it's now an 'issue', and not a 'continent', right?) is all over the papers because of the actions of Bono and Geldof. But, it sickens me to see Bono negotiating with people like Blair, Bush, Wolfowitz etc when he should be smashing the windows of their offices, rather than sharing desk space (metaphorically). I think it sends out the message that you have to sit with the devil to achieve a 'greater good', which is a win for the structures that cause the problems in the first place. Remember when Bono flashed the peace sign with Bush? That sign used to mean something. Political leaders speak in the same generalisations that Bono and Geldof use, that can be really jarring. If all you listened or heard by chance (which most people only do) was our political leaders say a lot about nothing, and Bono spout off slogans, than you would remain pretty ignorant about the actual issues, unless you went elsewhere ot find information. For some reason, this whole situation at the moment of 'global action' just doesn't feel right, for me, anyway.

aye i would agree with you Una, pretty much about everything you said, especially about sitting down with bush and the boyos. I do still think that it is better than nothing though

Is better then nothing though. If the debt of a country is preventing it from spending further on weapons with which to persecute its own people or other nations, then will they really be better off having their debt cleared to allow them to further spend money on weapons. Thats not to say that all of the countries listed for debt relief have the above problem, but some do. Each should be judged on acase by case basis. Countries should only get debt relief if the meet certain criteria such as proper government, development plans and accountability. A country who cant meet these critera should not have its debt relieved as its unlikely that the people of these countries will benefit from the money in any way. any, getting into politics here, and this is a music forum, so ill say no more.

On the other hand look at someone like Thom Yorke, his political activities are quite similar to what Una has been saying Bono and Gelfof should be doing (not quite throwing bricks through windows but he's going on marches and the like) and he's not really doing much good apart from getting his causes space in the NME whenever he speaks about them. All any of them can really do is raise awareness and by doing so the public might force change but they themselves won't. At least through the Yorke method he's probably got less of a nasty taste in his mouth.

I went to see U2 on Friday night, I am not a massive fan but do love their music. I was completely blown away by the show. Vertigo is in a league of its own in terms of a live stadium spectacle. It was so feckin entertaining, I was in awe for most of it. '.....when their career is at a creative all time low' ?????? - Vertigo was the most creative art I have seen in a long time. I also thought the political element in the show was not over done. It amazes how much slack Bono gets for trying to do his bit to better the world. Personally I think if we left the politics to the politicians we would end up with a messed up world. Vertigo preaches peace, anti discrimination, love for one another and poverty eradication. Theres alot of greedy people with power, its refreshing to see these issues infront of the masses.

They are mediocre at best. Pop was their last best album, after that it's just U2 by numbers. When was the last time you heard a U2 song and said "who the hell is that"? Never, it's more of the same every single time. Radiohead is just one example of band pushing the boundaries, U2 pushes €30 t shirts whilst lecturing us on the evils of capitalism. U2 are indeed a safe band and Bono's politics are just as safe. One week he is calling chirac a w**ker and the next he is hugging him.

i think what has really pissed me off this past week is the never-ending, uncritical coverage of U2 in the irish media. i threw away the irish times in disgust on monday because it was "its all so wonderful". there was a piece by brian boyd which was the most sycophantic thing i have read this side of a mark steyn rant on bush. Does anyone in the irish media have the balls to properly judge the band and call them on the emperor's new clothes? i mean, the times have used pieces by Boyd on u2 about 3 or 4 times this year - any chance of any other views? that said, it was better than the AWFUl u2 uncovered programme i saw by accident on UTV last night. cat deeley flirting with the band. maybe it is time i got sky sports..... lets get this straight - u2 arent even the best band in DUBLIN btw check out http://www.eyebrowy.com/majorleagues.htm for a goon-sized giggle, especially the bob dylan bits

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lets get this straight - u2 arent even the best band in DUBLIN

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Well don't keep us in suspence - who is the best Band in Dublin??

aye im a little intrigued myself

Pilchard, I totally agree with you about Boyd's piece in the Times. I really did nearly puke on it. I can't even start talking about it in detail in case I vomit again. "Radiohead is just one example of band pushing the boundaries, U2 pushes €30 t shirts whilst lecturing us on the evils of capitalism." bravo. Regarding what Thom Yorke does etc. This isn't really about musicians and politics, it's about powerful people and politics, and I don't think Bono's position could be fairly compared with another musician, I think it would be better compared with a person of the same power as him, say, for example, a politician. For the moment, he is basically a one man lobby group who seems to sit down with an awful lot of big wigs but never really achieve anything. Do you actually think Blair and Bush and Bertie for that matter really think, "I'm going to have a meeting with Bono today, and really listen to what he says and impliment some of his ideas". Or, do they think "great, loads of lovely positive press for me, great photo opportunities, exposure to young voters, because I'm talking to this bloke Bono." It would be very naiive to think Bono would have an effect on actual policy. A week or so ago I was reading one of the 24,000 interviews with Bono that appeared in the Irish press in the lead up to last weekend's gigs and he was talking about Bush and how he was such a decent bloke, witty, charming, blah blah blah. I'm sorry, but that kind of bulls**t just sickens me. If people really do listen to Bono, then he's sending out a message of, "this chap Bush is alright, and funny, just a little misguided" which, is in my opinion, a giant crock of s**t. I just have too many grievances with Bono and Geldof's methods. And I'm sure, if I worked with a charity or any part of the global justice movement, or fair trade, or whatever, I would be pissed off that all these mixed messages were being broadcast by these guys. And anyway, who is Bono speaking on behalf of when he makes such statements and dons his political cap?

"Theres alot of greedy people with power" jaysus, is bono not one of them.

very good piece in the weekend supplement of the irish times today about arm bands, bono, geldof and all of that typa thang

I thought that Jim Carroll was totally off key with his coloumn in The Ticket this Friday if anyone read it.

how much do radiohead charge for t-shirts, i remember them being too expensive for me to buy at the gig...

where can you find it online? i'll give it a google now.

the spurt lad eh. some man all right. manys a night flittered away listenin to "lady with the spinnin head"