Gar Veteran Member Posts:1676  
| 5/6/2005 1:06 PM |
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How would you define a music snob?
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 5/6/2005 1:30 PM |
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Me apparently, pfft.. like I care what you mere mortals think.. 
nah seriously, its hard to define a music snob, and we're all probably guilty of it at some point but its probably someone who over-intellectualises about what is and isn't good music rather than being open minded and just responding to it in an honest manner. It also probably includes people who dogmatically categorise music as good or bad, believing their own opinion to be superior rather than allowing for personal taste.
Oh, and anyone who uses the phrase "REAL music". What, are there counterfeit notes going round the place? (apologies for the awful pun)  |
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| 5/6/2005 1:34 PM |
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My girlfriend calls me a music snob. She calls me this because I don't like the likes of Pink and Will Smith.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/6/2005 1:45 PM |
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I think if your a music snob, you're probably snobbish about other things. It's about being open minded I suppose.
Snobbish people who know a lot about something tend to prefer to DICTATE it rather than SHARE it. Like, if you're in a conversation with someone who knows more about music than you (based on artists known and artists listened to); the music snob would say : "I can't believe you don't know this record", whereas the music fan will say "you should really listen to this record".
That would be my definition anyway.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/6/2005 1:47 PM |
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and snobbery is relative. Like, some people think Frames fans are music snobs, while others would think their music taste is completely remedial. And the best people probably wouldn't give a f**k.
Be open to it all, listen to it all, keep what you like, listen to more like it. Repeat.
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Daragh Advanced Member Posts:666
| 5/6/2005 2:10 PM |
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spot on Una, also agree with the over-intellectualising
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John Doe Basic Member Posts:338
| 5/6/2005 3:10 PM |
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My girlfriend's into Bryan Adams so I guess that rules me out. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/6/2005 3:34 PM |
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yes, I once tried to blag myself into the Pink gig at the Point with a couple of mates and when we didn't get in, we waited in Spy for her to show (which she didn't). Admitting embarrassing situations makes them suddenly cool. Most music snobs are fake anyway, and probably don't even enjoy the music they are listening to. Or understand enjoyment for that matter!
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LuceraBasic Member Posts:180
| 5/6/2005 3:52 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
Like, if you're in a conversation with someone who knows more about music than you (based on artists known and artists listened to); the music snob would say : "I can't believe you don't know this record", whereas the music fan will say "you should really listen to this record".
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LuceraBasic Member Posts:180
| 5/6/2005 3:55 PM |
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quote:
Originally posted by Lucera
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Originally posted by Una
Like, if you're in a conversation with someone who knows more about music than you (based on artists known and artists listened to); the music snob would say : "I can't believe you don't know this record", whereas the music fan will say "you should really listen to this record".
B*$lox! wrong button! meant to say this:
I think thats in a nutshell Una. Music snobs, to me, sound like the type of people who look down on you for not liking "their" music and as a result will never listen to anything you like due to that opinion |
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 5/6/2005 6:25 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
and snobbery is relative. Like, some people think Frames fans are music snobs, while others would think their music taste is completely remedial.
Amen |
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 5/6/2005 6:28 PM |
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Just thought of one that probably marks me down as a bit of a snob. Some of my friends don't like dance music and I might stick on a CD in the car and one of them will go "turn that off, I hate Techno" (Techno being the generic term that many people use to refer to all electronic music), and I'll reply "It's not Techno, it's electro-house" or whatever the relevant sub-genre is. Yeah, I probably deserve a slap for that one, but confess to gettting an utterly childish kick out of being so stupidly pedantic. For extra fun, make up your own dance sub-generes, no-one will know the difference!
"yeah, its actually, nu-electro-ragga-garage-bootywigglebass-house-gubbins, whatdya mean ya never heard of it? all the kids are listening to it!"
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/6/2005 9:48 PM |
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you've just pointed out how rock music fans are snobbish about dance music. When someone says "i hate techno" they're being the snob, not you pointing out their ignorance of sub genre!
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 5/7/2005 3:27 AM |
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There's a difference between snobbery and class. If you're snobbish you judge that certain people are inferior to you and you treat them accordingly. If you've got real class than you treat everyone with respect. If you've got class then you know it. You don't feel the need to belittle people just so that you can feel superior to them.
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 5/7/2005 1:10 PM |
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binokular - i don't think that having dance-music-sub-genre-labeling o.c.d. ( ) makes you a snob - for me the word snob is about how people react to the music they don't like, not how obssesive they get about the music they love.
snobs consider that whatever they dislike cannot possibly have any merit. they fail to recognise that musical opinion is completely subjective, and that no single opinion is inherently more valuable than any other. i see it basically as a form of arrogance, a sign of an unhealthily inflated ego. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/7/2005 2:43 PM |
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"no single opinion is inherently more valuable than any other"
it is if one opinion is more informed than another.
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 5/7/2005 5:21 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
"no single opinion is inherently more valuable than any other"
it is if one opinion is more informed than another.
i disagree - in the context of whether music is 'good' or 'bad'. listening to music is a subjective experience, and whether you like what you hear or not is simply a matter of personal taste. and what does 'informed' mean anyway? i have a degree in music. if i think the elgar cello concerto is a piece of poo, and my brother thinks it's great, is my opinion more valid? of course not. elgar wrote that concerto to be enjoyed and appreciated, and not just by academics...
the same is true in 'popular' music. take the new tom mcrae album for example ('all maps welcome'). i've read a number of reviews of this cd over the last week, some ecstatic, some caustic, all, (or most), presumably, written by 'informed' journalists. i was at a gig in the states where tom mcrae was supporting, playing to a crowd who'd never heard him before. some loved him, others were bored. my point is that nobody can judge music for anyone but themselves, regardless of how well 'informed' they may be.
in fact, that's one of the reasons file-sharing is so popular among genuine cd-purchasing music fans - it gives them the opportunity to see if they like it before they spend their money, instead of relying on the opinion of a reviewer. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/7/2005 5:35 PM |
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i was talking about opinion relating to information rather than taste
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 5/7/2005 5:49 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
i was talking about opinion relating to information rather than taste
not sure i know what you mean - information is fact, opinion isn't... |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/7/2005 7:54 PM |
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like, if I know more about a subject than you do my OPINION on it is more valid.
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 5/8/2005 8:02 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
like, if I know more about a subject than you do my OPINION on it is more valid.
of course, like doctors and lawyers... not music tho, oi tink. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/8/2005 8:35 PM |
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hmm.
I dunno, I suppose there are extremes. If all I ever listened to was Irish rock music, I think it was the best.
If I only listened to nu-punk, I'd think it was punk, until someone would lend me a sex pistols CD.
I still think there is a lot of swatting up to do in music if you want to make the ULTIMATE INFORMED OPINION, or, you could just go with what sounds good to you.
Like the new Weezer single, which rocks.
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 5/8/2005 8:43 PM |
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New Weezer album rocks.......looking forward to Vicar Street gig!!!!
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 5/9/2005 1:56 PM |
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in my opinion a music snob is someone who will change their view of a person because of the music they like
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| 5/9/2005 3:45 PM |
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i would have to say gar is a music snob
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klootfanAdvanced Member Posts:851
| 5/9/2005 3:57 PM |
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Originally posted by emu
i would have to say gar is a music snob
explain please. Does having an extensive knowledge of a subject make you a snob on it...not in my opinion. |
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
| 5/9/2005 4:12 PM |
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i think it was meant as a joke, since Gar originally started the thread saying someone had called him a music snob that morning. I could be wrong of course...
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spurtacusBasic Member Posts:229
| 5/9/2005 4:22 PM |
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Weezer are crap
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 5/9/2005 5:42 PM |
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I'm a big fan of Weezer but their latest single is rubbish. It sounds like a half-arsed hybrid of Stacey's Mom and I Love Rock N Roll.
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KarlitoBasic Member Posts:210
| 5/9/2005 5:48 PM |
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Sorry if i haven't read all the posts - i just wanna answer Gars question - I currently in Hong Kong on a Travelling Wilbury kinda thing so don't have much time here - this post just caught my eye.
Music snobs are music snobs because they want to be - they feel superior to people who may not know as much as them, it's an ego trip, same applies to all things in life - same applies to saying Chinese food is better than Indian - it's down to personal preference in what you like, some people like some things, some people don't.
what i will say since i have I have been travelling this great wide world is that there is a lot of music you people and me have not listened to so we tend to think in our own little box as it were.
there are such tyoes of music which we have not listened to so therefore people in japan, Oz, USA may think that we are musical recluses because we haven't heard thei music.
As I breifly glanced at i think it was unas reply, listen to what you want and who gives a f**k what other people think, if you do then it's just peer pressure yeah?
Sorry for bad spelling in this and sorry if i don't get to give a reply, but thats my opion and I'm sticking to it, oh yeah!!!
Anyway, hopefully i can give a review of a band that you guys have not heard of and turn yis o to something other than an arguement!!! |
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jmc105Basic Member Posts:188
| 5/9/2005 5:50 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
I still think there is a lot of swatting up to do in music if you want to make the ULTIMATE INFORMED OPINION, or, you could just go with what sounds good to you.
i think we might be talking about slightly different things. i think i'm saying that if you like or dislike a band/album/ then that's simply your reaction to it, and it's no more or less valid than anyone else's. two people who've heard the exact same music all their lives mightn't end up liking the same music - like siblings who don't share the same tastes in food despite eating at the same table growing up. likes/dislikes are completely subjective. the more music you've heard, the better you understand the context of a band or the development of a genre, the more reasons you may have for liking/disliking something, but you still can't speak for anyone but yourself.
i agree with you that listening to more music will help you understand where something came from, but even if you'd heard everything ever made, you'd still be responding subjectively to it...
jaysus, i'm confusing myself here - deep philosophical meanderings should not be undertaken on an empty stomach... |
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 5/9/2005 6:10 PM |
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Originally posted by jmc105
jaysus, i'm confusing myself here - deep philosophical meanderings should not be undertaken on an empty stomach...
Indeed, a phenomenon noted by Douglas Adams in "life, the Universe and everything": "He wasn't certain whether he had just got space-sickness or religion." |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 5/9/2005 6:47 PM |
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yeah
i think it also comes down to the ideas of 'appreciation' (opinion based on measured knowledged) and 'liking' (opinion based on personal preference).
I don't particularly like Motley Crue's songs, but I appreciate that they rock.
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