UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
5/1/2005 1:07 PM |
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... things about Humanzi now right?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2091-1582680,00.html
Not had the chance to hear them yet but I've heard good things. Apparently they're on the Pixies bill as well.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/1/2005 1:10 PM |
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yeah, i heard this before, but I thought the whole million euro thing was just bulls**t. Obviously not. But, record deals these days are basically bank loans, so I hope they're not holding their breath to actually earn that money back.
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bilbo bagginsNew Member Posts:8
5/1/2005 10:08 PM |
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humanzi are a great act,no need to start to be mean.
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WickerBasic Member Posts:185
5/2/2005 8:11 AM |
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fair play to them....
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
5/2/2005 9:43 AM |
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This can only be good news. Even if Humanzi flop, the erection of a solid record company signing upcoming bands in Ireland is great. Best of luck to them.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
5/2/2005 1:05 PM |
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that kind of money is dead silly but that the record industry for ya. the label idea is interesting but it remains to be seen if there was a huge amount of acts out there to be signed to a major subsidary
that said and talking of bands signing deals, someone was telling me the other night that there are a few Irish acts (Marshall Stars, Director, i think he said) just signed to major label deals. heard nothing about them so fair play to those boys and even better for keeping their heads down and getting on with things.
yes, getting a deal is a big deal - but making great records and selling them is a much bigger thing. i saw humanzi last year and thought they were OK but then, i'm not an A&R man running around like a headless chicken after the latest big things
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nonemoreblackNew Member Posts:21
5/2/2005 1:31 PM |
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The article says the deal could earn them $1 million, to me that suggests it would only be so if they actually make it as a successful international band. Personaly I can't see it, I don't think they offer anything new or interesting, just the same old retro r'n'r.
Good to hear there might be a label offering some solid investment in Irish bands though. But personally I'd be very wary of record companies promising large sums of money. You have to pay it all back in the end and usually lose a lot of your artist's rights in the process.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
5/2/2005 2:15 PM |
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Does anyone have any links to where I can check out their tunes online?
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5/2/2005 2:56 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by nonemoreblack
The article says the deal could earn them $1 million, to me that suggests it would only be so if they actually make it as a successful international band. Personaly I can't see it, I don't think they offer anything new or interesting, just the same old retro r'n'r.
Good to hear there might be a label offering some solid investment in Irish bands though. But personally I'd be very wary of record companies promising large sums of money. You have to pay it all back in the end and usually lose a lot of your artist's rights in the process.
my understanding of a typical deal with a major:
e.g. it's a deal worth "one million euro"...
- you've a contract with them for, say, 5 albums,
- so company will invest €200,000 into the first album...this covers recording costs, promotion & advertising, video shoots etc.
- say as part of the deal the band will earn €2 for every album sold, then they need to sell 100,000 copies to pay back the 200k to the record company and only then will they start making money from the sales...in the meantime if that 100,000 sales mark is met, the record company has got their €200,000 back while they've also earned €2-3(part of contract) on every album sold
so a band could sell nearly 100,000 units and not make a penny from the sales but it's gigs and merchandise that bands at that stage would make their money from....afaik, the royalties from radio play is good too
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WickerBasic Member Posts:185
5/2/2005 3:18 PM |
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this link is well worth checking out
(a million is not a lot in the grand scheme of things)
the problem with music
by steve albini
http://www.arancidamoeba.com/mrr/problemwithmusic.html
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dudleyBasic Member Posts:124
5/5/2005 11:30 AM |
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didn't humanzi used to be listo?
awful band 8)
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/5/2005 11:39 AM |
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did they?
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
think i saw them once about 5th on the lineup in the Hub on a tuesday or something then so.
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spurtacusBasic Member Posts:229
5/5/2005 11:40 AM |
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Humanzi are an incredible band, yeh 3 of them were in Listo
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
5/5/2005 11:43 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by spurtacus
Humanzi are an incredible band, yeh 3 of them were in Listo
One More Tune, One More Tune ...
I'll always hate them for that being popularised !
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spurtacusBasic Member Posts:229
5/5/2005 11:53 AM |
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Ye've lost me altogether there
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
5/5/2005 11:56 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by spurtacus
Ye've lost me altogether there
Listo were the lads at the end of the Vodafone ad from a few yrs ago.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
5/5/2005 1:33 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by stroller
Does anyone have any links to where I can check out their tunes online?
this strikes me as the most pertinient thing about the whole Humanzi thing. I've seen them live twice (Hard working class skangers and Whelans in Feb) and thought they were OK. But i have heard no tunes./MP3s/demos etc because they seem to be keeping them under lock and key (except if u are a company willing to spend 1.1 million yoyos on them). me, i'm gonna wait till theres some music to hear before jumping up and down with excitement or irritation.
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pocketsNew Member Posts:12
5/5/2005 4:00 PM |
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Humanzi are a f*****g amazing enigmatic band, who deserve praise rather than this drivel - give'm a chance before you rate them an dont go on the word of some phylistine writer, who goes against all journo rules by puttin somethin to print which was jst out an out s***e (he didt even get there names write!)
have seen them 4 times and all an all, great band
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MullyAdvanced Member Posts:849
5/5/2005 4:20 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by pockets
Humanzi are a f*****g amazing enigmatic band, who deserve praise rather than this drivel - give'm a chance before you rate them an dont go on the word of some phylistine writer, who goes against all journo rules by puttin somethin to print which was jst out an out s***e (he didt even get there names write!)
have seen them 4 times and all an all, great band
Excellent first post.
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
5/5/2005 4:20 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by pockets
Humanzi are a f*****g amazing enigmatic band, who deserve praise rather than this drivel - give'm a chance before you rate them an dont go on the word of some phylistine writer, who goes against all journo rules by puttin somethin to print which was jst out an out s***e (he didt even get there names write!)
have seen them 4 times and all an all, great band
woah there cowboy, i thought the members of Humanzi were in London today signing their big deal? surely none of the band or their mates or their managers take the time out to read little ol' cluas and respond to criticism here???
and if u took the time to read my last mail, thats what I just said - lets give them a chance before anyone rates them or slates them
so what exactly did the bloke from the Sunday Times get wrong? And why didnt an apology and correction appear in last sunday's paper then?? and hows the day-job.....?
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spurtacusBasic Member Posts:229
5/6/2005 9:14 AM |
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All names wrong except singer, i'm sure they don't give a ballix
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pocketsNew Member Posts:12
5/6/2005 9:58 AM |
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its just that the writer jus doesnt give a ballix (ie. rock unkowns earn a million, the lads wrote a tune for the vodafone ad? Dave savage?) just think its pish poor and its a pain to read if your in any way a musical enthusiest.
oh, an what day job??
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/6/2005 11:29 AM |
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they don't and probably won't earn a million, they've just signed a 6 album deal. Any new band who signs that kind of deal has to be loo-la. But, I'll gladly have my ass kicked when they 'make it'
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DaraghAdvanced Member Posts:666
5/6/2005 11:35 AM |
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aye a 6 album deal for a new band is nuts. 1 album, see how things stand.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
5/6/2005 1:36 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Una
they don't and probably won't earn a million, they've just signed a 6 album deal.
You sure? I heard 3 with an option on a 4th.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/6/2005 1:49 PM |
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im not sure, it's just what I heard.
a 3 album deal would be sweet.
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5/7/2005 3:50 PM |
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I wanna get one thing straight, my band hasnt signed a deal for anything near a million, i havent been on this site in months and i cant belive the rumours flying about.. the dude who wrote the artical in the times made everything up even our names! its very unfortuanate that people are begruding us already without hearing us or knowing anything about us or our music and the reason we got signed is, because we're good enough.. simple as that
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/7/2005 5:09 PM |
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I hope you've contacted them and asked for a clarification?
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
5/7/2005 6:29 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by Una
I hope you've contacted them and asked for a clarification?
i'm sure they have - humanzi managers brian bradley (MCD) and alan cullivan (the thrills) know what they are doing
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/7/2005 7:55 PM |
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let's hope the band do too
did i say that out loud
no, just typed it
phew
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5/9/2005 2:56 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by duncan
I wanna get one thing straight, my band hasnt signed a deal for anything near a million, i havent been on this site in months and i cant belive the rumours flying about.. the dude who wrote the artical in the times made everything up even our names! its very unfortuanate that people are begruding us already without hearing us or knowing anything about us or our music and the reason we got signed is, because we're good enough.. simple as that
How can a journalist make up the name of the front man it IS Shaun Mulrooney. I grew up with Mulrooney and albeit I dont hang around with him anymore I'm still fairly friendly with him. I'm delighted and really chuffed that he's signed and would love to be in his shoes. However, personally and alot of others I've talked to about Humanzi just don't rate them as a band. I've seen em live a good few times and everytime the music has just done nothing for me.I seriously think the only reason you guys got a deal was because of Alan Cullivan and bear in mind he's left JJ72 and The Thrills in his wake so the hope wouldn't be for the best.
Now I'm open to correction on this but I have it on fairly good information that the deal was for €1.5mill and he took 35% of that straight off. Also, the label deal smacks of using the band as an outlet to sign other bands rather than concentrate on Humanzi and also from what I know Humanzi are tied to the label they set up for life no getout clause. I got it all explained to me the other day but TBH I got lost in the middle of all the complications about how that works out.
Hope to f**k I'm wrong lads cos I won't begrudge you success just because I dont like your music and Mulrooney is a really sound bloke.
onwards and upwards
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
5/9/2005 3:14 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by leo
quote: Originally posted by duncan
I wanna get one thing straight, my band hasnt signed a deal for anything near a million, i havent been on this site in months and i cant belive the rumours flying about.. the dude who wrote the artical in the times made everything up even our names! its very unfortuanate that people are begruding us already without hearing us or knowing anything about us or our music and the reason we got signed is, because we're good enough.. simple as that
How can a journalist make up the name of the front man it IS Shaun Mulrooney. I grew up with Mulrooney and albeit I dont hang around with him anymore I'm still fairly friendly with him. I'm delighted and really chuffed that he's signed and would love to be in his shoes. However, personally and alot of others I've talked to about Humanzi just don't rate them as a band. I've seen em live a good few times and everytime the music has just done nothing for me.I seriously think the only reason you guys got a deal was because of Alan Cullivan and bear in mind he's left JJ72 and The Thrills in his wake so the hope wouldn't be for the best.
Now I'm open to correction on this but I have it on fairly good information that the deal was for €1.5mill and he took 35% of that straight off. Also, the label deal smacks of using the band as an outlet to sign other bands rather than concentrate on Humanzi and also from what I know Humanzi are tied to the label they set up for life no getout clause. I got it all explained to me the other day but TBH I got lost in the middle of all the complications about how that works out.
Hope to f**k I'm wrong lads cos I won't begrudge you success just because I dont like your music and Mulrooney is a really sound bloke.
onwards and upwards
i am already tired of Humanzi and i havent even heard a note of their music
i dont know alan cullivan from a hole in the wall but he did work miracles with the sows ears that are The Thrills so fair dues for doing the same with Humanzi. i dont know about his connections with jj72 - theyre signed to Lakota and i think alan cullivan did work experience there.
What I've heard is that it's largely a LABEL deal - ie Humanzi and their managers will release their stuff on a new label which is funded by Universal Music but which will look and act independent in Ireland and maybe the UK. besides humanzi, it will also sign and promote irish acts. its a bit like Mother Records, the label U2 used to have and we all know what great talent scouts they are/were
if alan cullivan got 35 percent of the Humanzi deal, my name is Steven Gerrard and i'm going to move to wigan in the summer. no lawyer under the sun would recommend that his/her clients would agree to that and i am assuming Humanzi got legal advice on all of this.
i dont know what the money was (and no-one aside from the band, their manager and the label will know that) but it seems to have been a lot. this is why all the fuss and backbiting is going on right now. major deals have all sorts of clauses and what-ifs so the band will end up with millions IF and ONLY if they sell millions of records. remember that all money in these deals are just LOANS against future sales - if the band dont sell the records, they still owe the money
best of luck Humanzi! now give us some music to listen to......so the backlash can really begin
Is this the first instance of a backlash before the band even released a record?
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/9/2005 3:27 PM |
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it will be interesting to see how the label idea works out. There aren't many small labels here dedicate to signing Irish acts and owned by the big heads, apart from Lakota. Any others?
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5/10/2005 11:26 AM |
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I have it FACT that Alan Cullivan took 35% of that deal, I mean come on a legal consult can recommend not to sign a contract but in all fairness if someone waived a cheque in front of you for €1,500,000 wud u sign???? i know i probably would
AND BESIDES ALL OF THIS HUMANZI s**tE THERES A MUCH MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION
If IRMA are to be believed all the labels have no money to invest in new acts becuase of illegal MP3 downloading YET THEY STILL MANAGED TO PULL €1,500,000 OUTTA THEIR HOLES to sign a band irrespective of whether ppl think they are good or not
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DromedAdvanced Member Posts:900
5/11/2005 9:52 AM |
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quote: Originally posted by leo
I have it FACT that Alan Cullivan took 35% of that deal, I mean come on a legal consult can recommend not to sign a contract but in all fairness if someone waived a cheque in front of you for €1,500,000 wud u sign???? i know i probably would
AND BESIDES ALL OF THIS HUMANZI s**tE THERES A MUCH MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION
If IRMA are to be believed all the labels have no money to invest in new acts becuase of illegal MP3 downloading YET THEY STILL MANAGED TO PULL €1,500,000 OUTTA THEIR HOLES to sign a band irrespective of whether ppl think they are good or not
I hardly think Humanzi were signed by a label irrespective of whether people think they are good or not. They've been playing for the last year...albeit not a huge amount, but at each gig they'd a good sized crowd and went down really well. They last gig they did in Dublin in Whelans was packed out - the label know they're on to a good thing or they hardly be signing them.
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
5/12/2005 1:51 PM |
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quote: Originally posted by duncan
I wanna get one thing straight, my band hasnt signed a deal for anything near a million, i havent been on this site in months and i cant belive the rumours flying about.. the dude who wrote the artical in the times made everything up even our names! its very unfortuanate that people are begruding us already without hearing us or knowing anything about us or our music and the reason we got signed is, because we're good enough.. simple as that
fair play to you's, hope you do well.
on the article, maybe the whole million quid thing was a pr thing to get internerds like us talking about a band that havent had much public exposure yet????
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kierryBasic Member Posts:244
5/15/2005 3:17 PM |
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hmmn
i'm dying to hear something recorded.
it'd be great to have an amazing band from dublin.
i'm looking forward to it.
will it be humanzi?
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/16/2005 2:06 PM |
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Although not a "million dollar deal" as reported elsewhere, Humanzi's manager Alan Cullivan confirms details of the band's new label deal
Alan Cullivan, the manager of The Thrills, has rubbished suggestions in the Sunday Times that his latest proteges Humanzi have been the beneficiaries of a million dollar deal with the music biz giant, Universal.
“It’s amazing that people can write stuff like that,” he tells Hot Press. “It’s unfair. The article is incorrect. The amount of money that’s mentioned is inaccurate. It’s way off the mark. I gave the guy the facts and he still went ahead. These are young people you’re writing about. Something like that can affect a band very badly.”
However, on the bright side, Cullivan confirmed that Humanzi have signed to Universal, in a deal that will see the full might of the multi-national behind them.
“People don’t do those million dollar deals anymore,” he continues. “The business has changed. I can’t specify what the deal is but it’s for a lot less money than was mentioned. But there’ll be a single out over the next couple of months, and if everything goes well with the recording, we should have the album ready by the end of the summer. If we’re not ready to go with it early in the autumn, we’ll wait till the new year .”
Along with its UK and Irish release, the record is likely to be picked up in America in Interscope.
"It’ll go out in a lot of territories, there’s no doubt about that,” he confirms.
The Humanzi signing is part of a label deal that finds Cullivan setting up his own label affiliated to Universal
“We have some ideas about possible signings,” he concludes. “We’re looking for the truly creative stuff. We’re likely to be looking at the ones that aren’t in the gang, the outsiders – which The Thrills were and Humanzi are.”
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
5/16/2005 3:32 PM |
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i love the way people still think Hot Press is the gospel when it comes to music business stories in this country. they never ever ask the hard questions or the difficult questions, just blandly reprint what people tell them.
unless alan cullivan can produce the deal notes so that we can all see what this great big mystical deal was, this is just b****x.
most of all though - this has NOTHING to do with the f**king music!!!!!
i am so sick and tired of Humanzi and I have yet to hear a note of music - i hope that its as good as all this press/hype (and it is hype)/attention would lead u to believe
BRING ON THE SONGS RIGHT NOW!
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LooseFirNew Member Posts:45
5/17/2005 8:29 AM |
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Listo were a great band, the first band on the dublin music scene that really blew me away when i seen them couple years back, fantastic energy and ideas back then, havent seen humanzi yet but the record company thingy is promising
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/17/2005 9:26 AM |
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are you implying that I think 'hotpress is gospel'? I just posted the quotes from Cullivan as additional information.
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sweetieBasic Member Posts:132
5/17/2005 10:14 AM |
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Does it remind anyone of Juniper?
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5/17/2005 10:50 AM |
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i've seen humanzi a few times and they defo aint anything to write home about, listo were a great band (more so live than on CD mind you), humanzi IMO are mediocre musicians playing mediocre music
i still hope it goes well for em though and wish em all the best
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spurtacusBasic Member Posts:229
5/17/2005 11:16 AM |
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mediocre musicians me b****x, they've got the best rhythm section around, and if yer lookin for ten minute guitar solos look elsewhere it's not fookin cock rock
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
5/17/2005 12:17 PM |
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when people say "that band has the best rythm section around" it usually means the singer is crap.
is the singer crap?
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5/17/2005 3:08 PM |
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IMO the singers not the may west, i dont see anything amazing about their rythm section to be honest with ya ive seen plenty of bands with better ones, i do like a good old face melter of a solo but theres a boat load of bands i listen to that dont do any solos at all
dont wanna be coming across as a begrudger cos im not i really do wish em well just giving my opinion on em
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