Norman Schwarzkopf Basic Member Posts:427  
| 4/14/2005 4:18 PM |
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I remember reading an article in the mid-90s about cyclical trends and how it takes roughly 20 years for things to come back around again. It applied to Britpop at the time in the early 90s. I looked ahead and figured that the Eighties would come back in the early part of the current decade and wondered why in hell anyone would want to revive it. (I was unaware at the time of some of the great stuff from the Eighties.)
Now I'm wondering if the Nineties are next. What could bands revive from the Nineties? I've read that Kaiser Chiefs are sort of bringing Britpop back. Where next? Are bands gonna start reviving revivals?
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mickBasic Member Posts:411
| 4/14/2005 4:22 PM |
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i just hope someone rediscovers 2 unlimited. or at least covers 'rhythm is a dancer'  |
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Norman SchwarzkopfBasic Member Posts:427
| 4/14/2005 4:25 PM |
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I associate much of the early 90s as the years of Atlantic 252. A bit of a chart reggae revival with Pato Banton, Diana King, Aswad, etc. Then there's Mr.Vain! The distinguished works of the Urban Cookie Collective. Corona's "Rhythm Of The Night". BoyzIIMen.
A comeback of this sort will no doubt be accompanied by the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
Would I lie to ya baby, would I lie to you...?
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| 4/14/2005 4:27 PM |
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Ireckon britpop is already coming back with bands like the ordinary boys . And it never really went away just the same way grunge is still going. I think the trends in music depends on what was big when all these new bands where teenagers
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Norman SchwarzkopfBasic Member Posts:427
| 4/14/2005 4:39 PM |
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Don't know about that cos most of the new bands wouldve been teenagers in the Nineties, yet lots of them look to the Eighties and further back. Maybe it's the cool older sibling effect or the parents record collection.
Then again, it's the media that shines the spotlight on new bands and gives them coverage and airplay. There's music out there that references every era imaginable. The music mags get bored of Seventies revivalism and say, right lads, what's next? Ah, the Eighties! You like Gang Of Four, y'say? You too? Wow, I feel a scene coming on!
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Una Veteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/14/2005 4:40 PM |
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unless history ends (don't read Francis Fukuyama) then revivals won't.
I'm waiting with baited breath for Grunge to come back.
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Norman SchwarzkopfBasic Member Posts:427
| 4/14/2005 4:49 PM |
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Not so sure if grunge'll come back. I think it was too big and well known. I get the impression bands like to list references and influences that make them seem a little cooler with less obvious tastes than the masses. Like the whole Gang of Four/Josef K/Orange Juice thing. That stuff hardly set the world alight at the time and stayed relatively underground with little comercial success. But now it's a cool touchstone.
Trying to think what would have been trendy in alt.rock in the early 90s. (I was 9ish and musically unaware) Shoegazing, anyone?
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EoinBasic Member Posts:174
| 4/15/2005 1:14 AM |
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I'm not religious as such, but after reading these posts I reckon I'm gonna start praying for a Black Pope !
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stroller Advanced Member Posts:576
| 4/15/2005 1:53 PM |
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Trying to think what would have been trendy in alt.rock in the early 90s. (I was 9ish and musically unaware) Shoegazing, anyone?
The shoegazing revival is already under way. Check out the 2003 Frengers LP by Mew (Comforting Sounds is a tune) or last years excellent Lesser Matters album by the Radio Dept.
Also Kasabian are doing their best to stage a one band big beat revival. Forget about the Madchester comparissons they sound disturbingly similar to early Lo-Fidelity Allstars. |
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| 4/17/2005 9:27 AM |
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I hope someone revives Mozart...........and me mate who is still unconscious after 23 cans of Dutch Gold and 2 bottles of Bucky
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 4/17/2005 10:39 PM |
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Originally posted by stroller
Also Kasabian are doing their best to stage a one band big beat revival. Forget about the Madchester comparissons they sound disturbingly similar to early Lo-Fidelity Allstars.
Kasabian also do a fairly decent cover of The Prodigys' "Out of Space"
I agree with what Norman said about it being far more likely that you get a revival of stuff that wasn't actually that big the first time round, like the whole Disco Punk/Punk Funk thing. So whats relatively small genre could potentially be up for a revival revival now? Hard to say, but it might be interesting to see a renewed interest in EBM/industrial, slightly scary bands like Front 242 and Nitzer Ebb. After all they've revived every other 80s Genre and this is kind of the next logical step from the genres that have recently been revived like Disco Punk, Electro and even Goth to a certain extent.
By the way, anyone ever watch MTV Dance late at night recently. The certainly seem to be playing a lot of retro stuff these days! or is that just down to a shortage of new commercial dance at the moment? |
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/18/2005 6:08 AM |
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Well the Glimmers have really come into vogue in the last few years and they've been known to play a lot of EBM in their sets. Also Phil Kiernan did a Nitzer Ebb remix a few years ago and that ended up in the playlists of all sorts of DJs. If I'm not mistaken it crops up on the new Luke Slater mix CD.
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/18/2005 10:07 AM |
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MTV Dance is so s**t, maybe because only the really cheesy s**t have videos. All that ever seems to be on is 'Carmen Electra's Megamix', or something equally retarded. MTV Bass is good though, but I mainly watch MTV, MTV2, The Amp, Q, Kerrang and Scuzz. Are there any better channels for rock music?
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/18/2005 10:09 AM |
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oh, and Extreme has a really good punk show I've stumbled across a couple of times; they played Alexisonfire, The Damned and the Dropkick Murphys. Fantastic.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 4/18/2005 3:05 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
MTV Dance is so s**t
Yep, its rubbish, like all the MTV channels really (MTV2 included), but all the music channels nicely grouped together on Sky Digital so I just tend to flick around looking for decent tunes and occasionally MTV Dance plays something good. I don't even have Satellite/Cable TV at home. I just watch MTV and the other music channels when I'm down at my parents place, and Aussie V8 Touring cars isn't on. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/18/2005 3:06 PM |
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MTV2 is good, I don't know what else people expect from it, it just plays all the new indie and rock music.
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John DoeBasic Member Posts:338
| 4/18/2005 4:03 PM |
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90's revival ? I'm still waiting patiently for Adam and the Ants to be recognised as the musical collossus they were. You can laugh, kids, but it'll happen.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/19/2005 6:01 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
MTV Bass is good though
What? It's lowest common denominator garbage. The only place to hear decent hip-hop on MTV is indelible hip-hop on MTV2. It's on every Monday and Thursday at one in the morning. 120 minutes (which is on the same time slot but on Tuesdays) is also well worth checking out. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/19/2005 6:51 PM |
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I think what you mean is, 'the only place to hear hip-hop for people who like rock music'
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 4/19/2005 7:32 PM |
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The smaller Non-MTV stations on Sky Digital like U, Flaunt, and one or two others sometimes play really good hip hop and urban stuff from relatively unknown artists. Its mainly stuff from the UK scene so it can be a bit chavtastic, but you do get the odd gem. Stuff like Lady Sovereign and a couple of other MCs out to steal Dizee Rascals limelight.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/19/2005 7:41 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
I think what you mean is, 'the only place to hear hip-hop for people who like rock music'
No what I mean is that indelible is the only place to hear hip-hop for people who like hip-hop. MTV Base's playlist of dumbed down, diluted, mass produced R&B only caters for kids, chavs and musical retards. Indelible play a great mix of classics (A Tribe Called Quest, Gang Starr, Ultramagnetic MCs, Big Daddy Kane, Souls of Mischief) and contemporary talent (Edan, Mr Lif, Madvillian, Ghostface, Roots Manuva). |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/19/2005 7:51 PM |
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I was joking, though. Obviously not very clear.
I'm not one of these 'musical retards' but I still like some of the stuff on MTV Bass: dizzee rascal, jay-z, 50cent, dre, eminem, nas, and The Lick. This stuff is more popular, yeah, but that doesn't make it 'less valid'. This is rap, we're talking about though. The term hip-hop has been totally distorted.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/19/2005 8:08 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
I was joking, though. Obviously not very clear.
I'm not one of these 'musical retards' but I still like some of the stuff on MTV Bass: dizzee rascal, jay-z, 50cent, dre, eminem, nas, and The Lick. This stuff is more popular, yeah, but that doesn't make it 'less valid'. This is rap, we're talking about though. The term hip-hop has been totally distorted.
No one's distorted hip-hop more than that talentless c*nt 50 Cent. Shot nine times? The should have only shot him once, right between the eyes. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/19/2005 8:25 PM |
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um, i dont think he's talentless. I couldnt give a b****x how many times he was shot. I like his flow and his songs. Should I be thinking about what his whole life is to enjoy 'Hate It Or Love It'? Ish dont think so.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/19/2005 8:53 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
um, i dont think he's talentless. I couldnt give a b****x how many times he was shot. I like his flow and his songs. Should I be thinking about what his whole life is to enjoy 'Hate It Or Love It'? Ish dont think so.
You're dead right to not give a b****x about how many times he was shot. I just wish that you couldn't give a b****x about his music. When In Da Club came out I really believed it was going to be a pivotal release in hip hop. Never before had I heard a record that arrived on such a wave of hype but which was so unbelievably poor. I assumed that it would be a watershed moment where people realised that hip-hop had reached rock bottom and that the record companies had realised that they could stick any talentless moron on top of a Dre beat and it would still sell copies. I hoped that people would say it was the worst hip hop record they'd heard and that they'd vow never to succumb to hype again. I hoped it would bomb. I hoped that people would rebel and abandon Tim Westwood and the like and try and seek out real hip hop music and that their changing tastes would trigger a resurgence in the quality hip hop that dominated the early 90's. What happened? The talentless c*nt sold 7million records. Sigh... |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/19/2005 9:17 PM |
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I think In Da Club is an amazing record, to be quite honest. I think this comes down to a difference in taste, more than anything. Yeah, loads of people like 50 coz of his image, the same way they like Pete Doherty and Madonna. As long as he keeps making songs that people like, he'll keep selling records.
Worse than 50 is the bloody backlash he's getting from Ja Rule and Fat Joe, as if they've ever made a decent cut in their lives (apart from Ja's So Much Pain).
But, i do think there is a lot of b****x backlash against 'mainstream' hip hop. Some of it is just an excuse for Dilated Peoples to make a lame record and then say "yo, we're not mainstream! We're pioneers, we're keeping it real. The fact that we don't sell as much as 50 proves this." When, in reality, the fact that they don't sell as much as 50 is because they are s**te. I'm just using DP as an example.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/19/2005 9:50 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
[But, i do think there is a lot of b****x backlash against 'mainstream' hip hop. Some of it is just an excuse for Dilated Peoples to make a lame record and then say "yo, we're not mainstream! We're pioneers, we're keeping it real. The fact that we don't sell as much as 50 proves this." When, in reality, the fact that they don't sell as much as 50 is because they are s**te. I'm just using DP as an example.
The reason why Dilated Peoples don't sell as many records as 50 Cent is because their music isn't dumb enough to appeal to the vast majority of people. I'm not the biggest Dilated fan in the world and I'm the first to admit that their last album was hugely disappointing but tunes like the Platform and Worst Comes To Worst sh*t all over anything 50's ever released. |
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UnaVeteran Member Posts:1721
| 4/19/2005 10:10 PM |
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"The reason why Dilated Peoples don't sell as many records as 50 Cent is because their music isn't dumb enough to appeal to the vast majority of people."
I'd disagree, I'd say it's because their beats suck and they have no flow, and our f**king pious really. You can only be pure if you're good.
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UnicronVeteran Member Posts:1696
| 4/20/2005 1:32 PM |
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Originally posted by stroller
When In Da Club came out I really believed it was going to be a pivotal release in hip hop. Never before had I heard a record that arrived on such a wave of hype but which was so unbelievably poor. I assumed that it would be a watershed moment where people realised that hip-hop had reached rock bottom and that the record companies had realised that they could stick any talentless moron on top of a Dre beat and it would still sell copies.
I really like the beats on In Da Club but I can't stand Fiddy as an MC, I think he's got a really pedestrian flow.
I bought the new DJ Format over the weekend, really liking it based on one listen so far.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 4/20/2005 1:57 PM |
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Anyone heard Beyonces version of "In Da Club" (complete with radically changed, cleaner lyrics)? its amazing how little the track loses without 50 cents rapping.
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cromalin New Member Posts:13
| 4/20/2005 2:22 PM |
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Originally posted by mick
i just hope someone rediscovers 2 unlimited. or at least covers 'rhythm is a dancer'
To quote their only hit NO NO NO NO theres no limit. They were s**te in the early 90s and unlike good wine they havent improved with age.
Check out http://www.the2unlimited.com/ |
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GarVeteran Member Posts:1676
| 4/20/2005 2:36 PM |
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Is the glam rock era slowly creeping back in? Scissor Sisters, Do Me Bad Things etc. Pretty soon Friday nights will see the hoardes marching back down to Harold's Cross for the late screening of 'Rocky Horror Picture Show'.
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BinokularVeteran Member Posts:1665
| 4/20/2005 2:46 PM |
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I'd argue that Goldfrapp and Rachel Stevens (yes, the one that used to be in S Club 7) have already revived glam rock pretty successfully.
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/20/2005 3:55 PM |
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Originally posted by Binokular
I'd argue that Goldfrapp and Rachel Stevens (yes, the one that used to be in S Club 7) have already revived glam rock pretty successfully.
They're not alone. One of the most blatently obvious Glam records of the last few years was Grace by Supergrass. |
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strollerAdvanced Member Posts:576
| 4/20/2005 4:09 PM |
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Originally posted by Una
"The reason why Dilated Peoples don't sell as many records as 50 Cent is because their music isn't dumb enough to appeal to the vast majority of people."
I'd disagree, I'd say it's because their beats suck and they have no flow, and our f**king pious really. You can only be pure if you're good.
I can only assume at this stage that you're either taking the p*ss just to get a rise out of me or that you've never heard Dilated Peoples in you life. If the latter case is true then you can click on the links below to listen to two of their best tunes (both with beats superior to anything 50 Cent's ever appeared on). Just click the Listen Now Button on the relevant pages.
Dilated Peoples - 'The Platform'
http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/audio/detail.asp?ID=1989
Dilated Peoples - 'Worst Comes To Worst'
http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/audio/detail.asp?ID=6103
If you want to hear what a decent MC's flow is supposed to sound like (as opposed to 50 cent's mumbled, lethargic, inarticulate nonsense) than check out Evidence's verse on this tune, also the cut's are by Babu (Just in case you didn't know both Evidence and Babu are members of Dilated Peoples)
Encore feat. Evidence - 'Filthy'
http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/audio/detail.asp?ID=3807
Enjoy! |
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PilchardAdvanced Member Posts:699
| 4/20/2005 4:14 PM |
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Originally posted by Gar
Is the glam rock era slowly creeping back in? Scissor Sisters, Do Me Bad Things etc. Pretty soon Friday nights will see the hoardes marching back down to Harold's Cross for the late screening of 'Rocky Horror Picture Show'.
they'll be too late - the cinema closed down in 2003!
maybe that tells u all u need to know about the glam rock revival.
have been some shocking reviews of Do Me Bad Things live so will leave that one well alone |
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