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ARE drummers naturally SPECIAL???
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shineybootsofleather
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5/12/2004 2:13 AM
    anyone else here in a band with an incredibly dumb drummer???
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    5/12/2004 9:31 AM
    Nope, but this reminds me of my fave drummer joke. Whats the difference between a drummer and a drum machine? You only have to punch the instructions into a drum machine once That said, there are times when I'm sitting staring at PC softstudio, thinking "You know what would be so cool right now? a real drumkit"
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    5/12/2004 4:51 PM
    Which of these is the odd one out: 1. A bad drummer 2. A good drummer 3. The abominable snowman Answer: 1. The other two are mythical creatures.
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    5/12/2004 9:16 PM
    yeah drummers the but of the jokes, How do ya know when there is a good guitarist in the room? He'll tell you.
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    5/13/2004 7:54 PM
    I dunno. I think Bass Players are the real muppets of any band. I mean, Animal (Dr Teeth and Electric Mayhem) is a legend but who the hell knows the name of the bass player ?
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    5/13/2004 10:30 PM
    John Entwhistle.
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    5/14/2004 10:47 AM
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    Originally posted by Rev Jules
    I dunno. I think Bass Players are the real muppets of any band. I mean, Animal (Dr Teeth and Electric Mayhem) is a legend but who the hell knows the name of the bass player ?
    Phil Lynnot, Sting, Paul Mcartney (to name a few) How many Drummers does it take to screw in a lightbulb ??? . . . . Just one. He will put the Bulb in and wait for the world to revolve around him......
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    5/14/2004 11:02 AM
    More Great Bass Players: Peter Hook, D'arcy, Adam Clayton. All pretty cool people. Sting played bass? Was that in the police or later, because I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the bass player with the police was one of the first people to use a fretless bass in mainstream rock and I don't think it was Sting they were talking about.
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    5/14/2004 11:56 AM
    Yes, Sting was the bass player in The Police.
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    5/14/2004 12:01 PM
    As flagman says, sting was on bass for the police. Don't ever remember him playing a fretless bass though and equally, never heard of him as being one of the more proficient bass players of his era. That aside (and hands up, I don't play bass so don't shoot me here), I never really understood all the hooha about fretless bases. Surely any musician who could play a double bass would have little problem with a fretless guitar?? No??
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    5/14/2004 12:24 PM
    No, never really understood the whole Fretless Bass thing either. Now they do sound different (because the strings don't buzz when the hit the frets) and they allow you to play different styles but are really suited to stuff like Jazz. As a rock instrument, it doesn't really have an advantage as rock bass is not about intricate noodling, its about laying down a kick arse bass line. The guitar/bass transition thing is true and doesn't just apply to fretless instruments. Once you've played guitar, its easier to make the transition to Bass or vice versa.
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    5/14/2004 1:10 PM
    Stinge wrote the riff for message in a bottle which in my book is one of the best riffs ever. It kicks ass.. He also was a great bass player, The ego wars between him and copeland led to some of the coolest bass and drum playing ever
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    5/14/2004 1:17 PM
    the only advantage I can see to playing a fretless bass is perhaps more fluid movement in sliding notes (very typial in some Jazz and lot's of 80's pop)
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    5/14/2004 1:47 PM
    No, I mean who was the bass player in Dr Teeth and Electric Mayhem. As for drummers... John Wadham Art Blakey Keith Moon Ringo Starr Larry Mullen Jr. Stuart Copeland Charlie Watts John Bonham
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    5/14/2004 2:57 PM
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    Originally posted by Rev Jules
    No, I mean who was the bass player in Dr Teeth and Electric Mayhem. As for drummers... John Wadham Art Blakey Keith Moon Ringo Starr Larry Mullen Jr. Stuart Copeland Charlie Watts John Bonham
    John Paul Jones, Noel Redding Roger Waters etc etc .....
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    5/14/2004 4:23 PM
    How many drummers does it take to change a lightbulb ? Ten. One to change the light bulb and the other nine to sit around talking about how Keith Moon would have done it better.
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    5/14/2004 5:27 PM
    most oboe players reek of musk. prove me wrong obers(?) of the land! prove me wrong!
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    5/14/2004 5:43 PM
    I know a clarinet player and a saxophonist, close enough? No strange odours to report from either
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    5/14/2004 9:37 PM
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    How many drummers does it take to change a lightbulb ? Ten. One to change the light bulb and the other nine to sit around talking about how Keith Moon would have done it better.
    Heard that one before cept it was a soccer one(Yes i'm new :)) Q.How many soccer players does it take to change a light bulb? A. 11. 1 to stick it in, and 10 to hug and kiss him afterwards. I am in a band with an enthusiastic drummer.(ie demented) We have yet to get all band members together in the same room. He thinks we will be famous by August(at the latest)
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    5/15/2004 9:33 PM
    Lol, yeah drummers like Charlie Watts dont get enough credit! The man held the stones toghther. Ringo Starr sucked but he did his job, His son now thats a diffrent story!. Zack Starsky ? Thats ringos little boy and hes not played for : The Who Robert Plant & Just announced with Oasis
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    5/16/2004 8:32 PM
    drummers eh? have to admit, being a really proficient drummer doesn't do much to help songs most of the time. i like listening to jazz or the like where the drummer is great.as for rock? the ramones had the right idea. ONETWOTHREEFOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the big problem with drummers in bands is that they rarely(in my experience) listen to what the songs are about. they just want an excuse to show off and make noise! less is more etc. i think the trick is to enlist a drummer whose not actually a drummer. trust me.
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    5/17/2004 12:54 AM
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    5/17/2004 9:47 AM
    I try to use the tones of the kit to add to a song. Listen to : http://www.gigireland.com/mp3/130_Down_from_underneath.mp3
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    5/17/2004 1:00 PM
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    drummers eh? have to admit, being a really proficient drummer doesn't do much to help songs most of the time. i like listening to jazz or the like where the drummer is great.as for rock? the ramones had the right idea. ONETWOTHREEFOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the big problem with drummers in bands is that they rarely(in my experience) listen to what the songs are about. they just want an excuse to show off and make noise! less is more etc. i think the trick is to enlist a drummer whose not actually a drummer. trust me.
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    5/17/2004 8:51 PM
    oops just wondering how you say that? a good drummer brings lots to a song dynamic, groove, swing, pace, power, orchestration etc and any proficient musician is gonna play whats needed at the right times, just look at and james brown song where clyde stubblefeild and jabo starks provide amazing grooves (incidently theyre the two most sampled drummers in the world) some parts are quite technical others just simple fat beats less isnt always more the accents have to be put in the right places and there's so many ways that a drummer can transform a song. yes sometimes less is more but you cant make such a sweeping statment about all drummers how many have you played with and do you feel the same about all intruments and musicians.
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    5/17/2004 9:39 PM
    I gotta agree with aljones on this. A band without a great drummer simply cannot be great. Led Zeppelin fell apart after John Bonham died. The Who were never the same after Keith Moon departed this world. Springsteen could replace as many guitarists as he liked but Max Weinberg drives the beat in his songs and no matter what the rest of the gang try to do, nothing pulls him off the beat. The drummer is the engine room of band. Just try playing without a great drummer. Hey, if you don't have a great drummer, you probably aren't a great band.
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    5/17/2004 9:51 PM
    Thats so true, the drummer has the most technical job of using all their dexteriaty!
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    5/20/2004 3:30 PM
    okay, so i digress i should have made a distinction there. the way I see it, there are good drummers and then there are drummers who try too hard to be "good" and end up interfering with the song. I suppose what i meant is that many drummers i have encountered seem to have a different conception of what good drumming is to the concetion that the rest of the band do. I think you'll find it's a common occurance.i am speaking from the insular world of unprofessional, struggling bands when i say that one is often better off with a non-drummer as a drummer. I was also being humorous! I love good drumming. it's one of the things that i love most in music, but a drummer who is not yet proficient and is trying to be the kind of "good" that drummers tend to want to be, is an awful thing. whereas a drummer who is not proficient and who keeps it simple is a good thing. i made that comment presuming that no one on this message board is in danger of having clyde stubblefield or jabo starks wanting to join their band any time soon. Now that i look at my original posting i can see that i didn't articulate this idea too well.
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    5/20/2004 4:13 PM
    I think that the drummer out of Listo is amazing, but haven't seen them in a while, are they gigging much?
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    5/20/2004 4:57 PM
    drummers get to hit stuff alot, you have to be angry to want to do that, sp lets be cautious when dealing with drummers folks, dave grohl by the way, is a good argument for a non drummer to be a good drummer (ow, headache!), did he play guitar first then go hit stuff?, either way, he has a well rounded view of songs, songs for the deaf was just amazing drumming. imagine youd have to lift weights to be able to play some slayer stuff, lombardo is another legend
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    5/20/2004 6:00 PM
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    drummers get to hit stuff alot, you have to be angry to want to do that, sp lets be cautious when dealing with drummers folks
    Well spotted, John Bonham was always getting into brawls. Good way to find a decent drummer by the way. Just hang around outside bars at closing time and see who is looking for a fight. Remember that the kid who becomes the drummer in 'School of Rock' is portrayed as a truculent little fellow looking for a bash up.
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    5/20/2004 6:58 PM
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    I think that the drummer out of Listo is amazing, but haven't seen them in a while, are they gigging much?
    i theres an example of a drummer who maybe overplayed a little but he was class.... theyre not gigging much because theyre split up, i heard they kicked the drummer out but maybe thats jaust a rumour.. i also heard that theryre making some sort of dance album thingy a bit like unkle! should be good! i also saw there guitarist playing keys with The Mouse. such a shame listo split up i thought they where the best band in ireland
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    5/22/2004 10:59 PM
    Yeah you listen to Nirvanas pre Dave Grohl stuff, its ok, but nothing special. Then the minute Grohl came along, bang!


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