well dirty, i was only there on mon nite but i have to say i'm gonna split hairs with you (dirty shaggy hairs) over the issue of many excellent bands -rather there were some, while the overall effect was excellent and it was an ingenious event to organise. dublin needs more of this. however The Things and King Sativa are two classic examples of how Irish bands lose their judgement and worship other irish bands that gig regularly or get hyped. what's happened your eyes and ears? the things are hackneyed noise. how these guys managed to get an opener at Slane over the subtonics or R of loose or others indeed, is beyond me. i presume it is a case of skewed and nostalgia tinted glasses of the music powers-that-(has)-be(en). iggy's already done it and done it better baby. there were amatuerish but worse totally inauthentic. boring NEXT.. a glass pane came down between them and the audience as happens with all bad entertainment. KIng sativa were polished they should be, they gig enough and have charm but i later spotted dublin's ali campbell out in the street shouting his aggressive head off to nobody and generally being a prick what happened all his 'good vibes' if you're gonna talk it then you'd better walk it.besides i think colm Q's generousity is what really set them up well. halite well i think you've got you're finger on that one i thought i was watching some nightmare comedian. no more jokes, no more, and they think everyone else thinks they're too cool. jesus weeps, what about Dirty blue gene, intriguing or what? i bet these guys give good harmonica and guitar i'd like to hear about them plus they were cool, one liked looking at them. they had presence you just wnated to hear and watch them. i've gotta say i thought the subtonics rocked real hard, the aforementioned DBgene, nina hynes and republic of loose really were the highlights soem other acts were good too but i'm not sure i'd think about them again. there was quite a bit of this careerist thing going on up those stages . a neccesity in itself i'm not denying it but haveing soemthing to say and soul is the foundation what sorts the wheat from the chaff so to speak. And in Ireland there's this type of band that gets more recognition than they deserve and some of the jouranlists promote this and they are in their turn in bed with the PR schpeel. so there were a few bands like this but its really interesting to see all this when its lined up against each other. we badly need fresh talent in the manager/promoter/bankroller department. the 60's london scene would have never happened without kit lamberts, chris stamps, brian epsteins, andrew loog oldhams etc. another litmus test is who would you pay into to see? can u get you're rocks off to them? (even if they are not r'n'r) another band woth a mention was listo but the noise they made was better than the way they were. that lead singer has got to change his liam gallagher wanna be monkying around it was sad when oasis did it why repeat it? its tired cliched and an eyesore, break out be original find yourself ...express yourself after all that's what its all about then if you manage to set others alight you know you're cooking!

The Things opening Slane??? Is this true??? From what I've read it's actually Halite that are opening slane Shewolf. I respect the fact that you actually watched the gigs enough to make an opinion and then bothered to write about it cos usually people will come on forums and dismiss a s**t load of bands that work their arses off and have nothing else to back it up - I don't necessarily agree with everything you said but you're entitled to an opinion (ahh the wonders of living in the 'free' world) but I'm a bit miffed as to what you mean by "there was quite a bit of this careerist thing going on up those stages" ???? The night was run very well and all in all went smoothly and I thought the bands all did well in keeping the atmosphere going. I was a bit disappointed though to see that the 'concept' of 'equality' between the bands was not met, and was as I feared a bit over ambitious, if not naive. And can I just say for the record, the Republic of Loose made me want to sell my soul to the devil and get down and dirrrttyyyy - they were amazing.

It's not your ability or the hard work you put in that matters in the Dublin city music scene, it's who you f**kin' know that matters!!!

are the things doing slane????????

Sorry Morello I have to agree with peace03 a bit here - it's a sad situation but their are certainly some bands that do more smoozin at bar openings and venue launches, fashion shows etc then do actual hard work in 'music' i.e their at the opening of an envelope but yet have f*ck all to show for it in their musical outout - I think this is what Peace was referring to. There's ni question that it exists cos i've seen it with my own eyes - bands that are almost in a band to be able to say they are in a band and enjoy the social scene that might go with it but do nothing much really. Then you have bands that go to nothing, take part in little known events and small scale gigs but work real hard and are productive and whack out new material etc on a regular basis - getting back to the point if you are willing to do the smoozing you'll get far, cos you can make a few good contacts that'll get you a few higher profile gigs and some lucky breaks etc, if you aren't prepared to do that you are in for a longer slog unless you happen to be lucky - sadly that is the way the media/music world works these days - I guess you have to try and strike some kind of a balance, play the game to a point ( at the end of the day you need some of it too) but try not to sell your sould while doing it. Here's a question/example of what i mean.....if your band was struggling to get known would you 1) Turn down a front page on the nme if you were offered it just to make a point? 2)Turn down the invitation to play at the opening of a new bar in town and/or 3) Turn down the invitation to play at the opening of a new McDonalds???

Ok Guys, i'm hungry like the.. and back for more, dromed the careerist thing goin' on up on those stages was like this - no offense taken i hope by the limerick boys-but woodstar for instance have honed their stance and sound to the exclusive purpose of corporate attention. they are a good example of the type of thing that gets middle of the road notice adn plaudits in the IRish press and industry and then stay there getting overplayed and hyped and never really develop beyond that. there were a few instances of this media band love in goin' on. badboy and all you other BADboys too, maybe i'm wrong but i distinctly heard the compere saying the twits i mean the things were doing a slane slot, maybe it was horrific tinnitus making nightmare chinese whispers?!! but i'm sure that's what the man said. as for its who you know this is a vital skill in itself to charm have charisma, put yourself about but it is also, usually, when there is a vibrant, talented and zeitgeisty scene happening in a place/town /country a seperate group of people who promote bands etc where are these in dublin? this is a question i asked in my earlier rant prompted by the working class heroes gig. where are our young kit lamberts etc? everybody seems to overlook this in their vitriolic spews about licking arse. if there were cool musical talented impresarios willing to get aboard The Magic Bus then musicians wouldn't be forced to degrade themselves trying to impress foolish souless PR-icks. so guys IF there was an individual/s who really dug what you did and wanted to begin with you knocking on doors for you doing the teeth grinding socializing etc would you allow them? would you try cut a deal with them ? another thing about promoting it isn't an either or situation OF course you'd do a f**king NME cover (hmmm a NME cover f**king) if you wouldn't you shouldn't be in band or the music business. it is a business, you gotta eat bread,snort coke, drive car, buy guitar, or whatever, you gotta live and you should be aiming to make money from what you love to do, or do well, or trying to inspire others, no matter what your gift might be in this world, if it happens to be making music then why shouldn't you earn a living from it. I think the Dublin music scene is still so small that there are bands who are out there who are s**t fro many reasons but get promoted becasue they know how to make the system work fro them but thses bands never really get anywhere creative and aren't fooling anone but themselves and morons. so never be jealous. the trick really is that it should be looked on as something that needs to be done if its good for the music the music still must be the band'd numero uno priority. and if the creativity in personality, music and image is there the media thing is a doddle then fro the band. as people will naturally sit up and take notice and they do. but hey y'all know this maybe i'm jus Howlin'wolf tonite

'the twits..i mean, the things'....oh your a cunny funt arent u.. i bet u get your hole regulary!

you must be related to them or something to be so offended its just a little word play -y'know -creative like, the way most good things eventually manifest themselves by people jus letting go t whatever sillyness might arise in their mind. mind you i got you going, and yes i do generally have that effect on men since you ask but i never go for it i opt for endurance over instant gratification every time, besides fantasy is far more fun i love the idea of infinite potential. its the old story he's got money...he's got lovin'...but the music's gotta hold on me its got me rockin' an rollin' rollin'. dirty, don't try to be so scary i can't even begin to imagine what your reply MEANS..

Good answer Shewolf! Ever thought about going into politics?! You're right in every word you say. By the way in case you hav'nt realised, the posts by Dirty Propaganda are in fact just that-It's the band themselves.

I love it. All the jealous heads getting their knickers in a twist over The Things. Love 'em or hate 'em they get a reaction which is more than I can say for so many bands in Dublin who can barely play their f**king instruments, yet alone amuse/antagonise a crowd. The only reason the Things have people behind them is because they're good enough, because they have an impact on a crowd and because they aren't afraid to let loose and sacrifice musicianship for an energetic, entertaining live show. The first time I saw them, I just thought - "Thank f**k, somebody has put some entertainment back into live music". I can understand people hating them but I really think thats a matter of musical taste, and nothing to do with them climbing some sort of industry ladder ahead of 'deserved' others. They've put in a supreme effort, they're all excellent musicians, and deserve whats come their way. I think instead of knocking them people would be better served looking at what they're doing right and applying it to themselves. As regards the merit of Halite at Slane... snakes and social ladders definitely apply there.

i think your shewolfs opinions are very valid. i just though the twits the things joke was a bit flat..thats all. evryones entitled to say what they want yeah? my name is stefan murphy...i sing in a band called the subtonics. im involved in other music ventures also..none of which are the things...they are one of my favourite bands in the world but im not in them...fez my friend..check the facts before you blind us with ur wisdome in future...shewolf my friend..im sorry for my ungentlmanly comments...i was just stickin up for my mates....its a wokinclass thing..or at least it would be if i had a job..peace to you all xx

Spoilt Brat- lets not let this debate descend into the schoolyard "you're only jealous" routine. As i have said I have a lot of respect new and upcoming bands.Now you say that a feature of the things being so great is that they get a reaction. So bloody what! That doesn't mean their in any way talented. A monkey playing a piano would get a reaction too but that doesn't mean im gonna fork out to go see him! You then say that they are excellent musicians only to go on and say that they sacrifice musicianship for an entertaining show! Surely music should be first and foremost and should never be sacraficed in order to be merely "energetic and entertaining". Oh and ive never been one for this "they're making a great effort, hats off to them" bulls**t. If a band hasn't got it they havn't got it.

Yeah but so what if he was in Therapy? before, after that he's just being playing drums in other people's bands (David Kitt, Gemma Hayes), now that he fronts a new band, of course he wants to sells loads of records, and playing an opening slot for the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, even if he has to beg for a support slot, will surely help the band achieve this. You can't tell me that if you knew someone fromt he Chillis phone number and knew they were doing a high profile gig, you wouldn't chance your arm at getting support?? Of course you would!!

The three bands that blew people away in the hard working class heroes were The Subtonics,Republic of Loose and Listo.These bands are playing on Saturday the 6th of september in the Soon to be opened The Hub, which is below The Mezzanine on Eustace Street Temple bar.As good a line-up as you will ever see imho.Honest ta jaysus rock and roll at its finest.

Respect to Dromed. The reason I made my original comment about, it's not your ability, it's who you know, is because the band I play with...The Mouse, were promised months before that "Working Class" Heroes thing was announced,we were on the bill. As soon as the boys with the big sponsorship money got involved, we got bumped and were ignored by the sap who organised it, he actually crosses to the other side of the street now if he sees any of us. Now, there was all this bulls**t about it being for bands who work their holes off playing gigs and try to scrape money together for demos. Now I'm not sore at any of the bands who played it, Jaysus knows we have played with a good few of them and I think the ones we have played with are good bands...you know who you are. What pisses me and the rest of our band off is that we are probably the ony Dublin based band that have worked our holes off at bringing our sound around the rest of the country, we did a tour with another band in April and have also played in the likes of, Wicklow, Kildare, Cork, Galway, Kilkenny, Limerick, Westmeath, Tipperary, Waterford. And we've gone to these places numerous times as well as gigging our holes off in Dublin. Now, I think I can safely say, apart from the 'signed' bands who played on the night, no other band there has played around the country that much??? Does this not make us "working class"....pah!!! Workin' class my f*ckin hole! I'd say the only thing working class about that gig was the cleaners.....cleaning up the middle class puke the next morning. The Dublin music scene does you no favours unless you are in the clique. It was the same with that f*ckin' IMRO showcase bollix. Also....is it true that La Rocca's manager works for Hot Press??? Stevo Mouse

Yea I reckon we would have been playing that gig no problemo until they found out we reherse in the factory and don't like the pizza from Eamon Dorans!! In the case of being seen as sour... Some of the bands that played are really f*cking good but they shudda made room for the durty funk!!!

Isn't the name supposed to be mean hard-working class heroes rather than Hard working-class heroes. Supposed to be a little pun that they are hard working and "class" meaning good ?

"The three bands that blew people away in the hard working class heroes were The Subtonics,Republic of Loose and Listo.These bands are playing on Saturday the 6th of september in the Soon to be opened The Hub, which is below The Mezzanine on Eustace Street Temple bar.As good a line-up as you will ever see imho.Honest ta jaysus rock and roll at its finest." Shut the f**k up! Jesus Christ I am sick of listening to this s**t. This forum is not just a means of promoting events involving these bands (and Hi:Rise, The Things and The Mouse). Promote your gigs properly by putting a bit of effort in. I'll probably get attached here by people saying how hard it is to promote gigs in Dublin but I don't give a f**k. If you would put a bit of imagination and (heaven-forbid) money into promoting gigs then you wouldn't be resorting to spamming message boards.

PEOPLE WILL DO AS PEOPLE WILL DARE.

That's a bit harsh monkey. the people who are interest in this thread are the very people I thought would be interested in this gig. chill for feck sake its only rock and/or roll

Ehh don't flatter yerself there monkey, do you really believe that the bands yer naming rely on this forum for exposure?...where are you going with the idea that none of the bands you just mentioned bother promoting gigs properly or don't put money into doing that but resort to "Spamming" this forum - can't speak for anyone else but when we've a gig we spend hours walking around town flyering, putting out posters in shops - pay for poxy bill board poster runs, radio ads, send all printed listings etc etc - i advertise gigs on the net cos it's another route - if you've a problem with reading a plug for a gig on this site, a music site for irish music fans - i suggest you find another site to go on. And besides if it was against net-etiquette to do so i'm sure the moderators would tell us to f**k off. I go on this site to see what bands are up to..who's gigging, who's releasing a recording etc - why do you come on here? Peace03 I have to say that we gigged our asses off all over the country and it didn't get us anywhere - sadly you can gig like a motherf**ker and it won't really pay off - all it did, apart from helping us to find a more defined sound when playing live, was to disillusion us to bits. The only way forward is to record record record - if you have some good songs - well produced, well presented recorded material you can push radio play and media coverage which will get more people down to your gigs when you do play and also may get your stuff on the desk of some one that just might start paying some of the bills for you - though that's a bit of a daydream at this stage! The proof is in the pudding as they say - put your talent where anyone that's interested can hear it and ignore the back biters - I'm not interested in reading about why people think this or that band is crap, who they hang around with, where they are from or what poxy background they have - working class, middle class, it's all b****x - let the music do the talking. If it floats yer boat buy it, absorb it and love it and if not then don't bother yer hole giving it another 5 seconds thought.

Respect!!!

Excellent! And so ends the discussion! Nice one Dromed.

Hi shewolf, I fancy you. Do you wanna go on a date with 50's america style? Na i think what your saying is 100% to the point, your rigth dublins crying out for another tony wilson to take this scene by the scruff. You seem to know your histoy so way dont you do it. By the way im the guitarist with Listo and i think the Liam Gallagher thing was a bit harsh. But im trying to get the c**t to get a haircut but theres no joy! p.s ill meet down the lane for a wear at 7.00

Ha ha ha ha Mulrooney your such a fukin chancer!!!!

I fancy you to dromed......

mulrooney..stop sellin your bleedin love online!!!! fair ball to ya though..your seriously honest to jaysus..yourself, neil moore, the late herald, shane walsh, funerals, john player blue, the gaa, damo dempsey..where would the republic of ireland be without yis!!

Shewolf are you really a hewolf i think you are.But thats ok cause you give me the horn oh you have to be a hewolf you sound like a big beast of a man.I think you and me should get in to each outher ya me and you gay sex with the things playing in the back ground to get really going. OH YA I REALLY LUST FOR YOU

oh you dirty thing! are you a pretty thing?, the charles atlas course will turn you into a beast of man- if you need direction,3 little steps to heaven, shake, rattle, and roll. cliche, cliche, cliche taking things by the scruff of the neck appeals to me all right but i think i'll prowl for awhile longer, getting hungry though, might just bite. you gotta have class though working or otherwise

Here here!

Oh ya shewolf fishface likes your talk and he shakes, rattles, and rolls with the though of your hairy shewolf ass in his pretty fishface and oh boy it sure is pretty- cum, cum,cum.

getting back to the aul gig, i got in late cos was only in dublin for a funeral and was out meeting a friend before the monday night gig... first band i saw were listo and i was really really impressed, particularly enjoyed the guitar sound( real chunky dist. but sweet chords), and i dont think the singer had much of a liam gallagher thing going on to be honest... i also thought hi-rise were brilliant (feel like i'm cheering on the board bands but i'm not) really enjoyed their set, i'd like to see them again to get a real proper opinion of them, see what the rest of their set was like. highlight of the night for me was nina hynes, she's just a f**kin legend... dickin around with wooden spoons and the like and not only lookin cool but soundin it too. was dissappointed with alphastates cos i usually think they (babelfish) are great but on the night i just thought they lacked abit of soul and had a very flat personality halite... not a fan at all... someone said if i had the chilis number would i ask them for a support, of course i would but at the end of the day it aint up to them, its up to mcd who the bill is, and personally i dont understand why halite were on it... bands like the revs or the walls who've opened in previous yrs at least had some releases under their belts, not that i'm a fan of them either. i thought woodstar werent at their best at the gig but still i disagree with whoever said they have their sound honed to

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just cos they have interests and influences in the type of music that journalists seem to like to write about (sparklehore, mercury rev) doesnt mean that they set out to sound like that for that purpose and that purpose alone. i think its a real negative and pessimistic attitude to take towards them... one thing i'll say bout woodstar is that they are a pro band, really f**kin have their sounds and s**t together, even if they didnt play a good set that particular night. thats pretty much all i can remember bout the night, i remember enjoying the things but it wasnt the best i've seen them, and i dont think the sound did them any favours. it was really well organised night so fair play to peter and brian...

Mick fair play to ya thats the best so far god bless you and i hope you get your hole tonight and fishface means that.

GO ON THE FISHFACE!!!!!!! i hope YOU get your hole tonight.

i dunno about woodstar playing a weak gig you can hear what you're dealing with in 2/3 songs. obviously there's something for everyone but theres some people who like flavoured processed philadelphia and then theres people who know their Brie de Meaux. Easi- singles are made and sold because the companies know there are suckers out there who like to try digest that s**t and ruin their health. its the same with music, there are people out there who will swallow that s**t all blue tinted glasses and down on his stratigically placed knees i felt like picking him up and send him home to his mammy you ca be sure she's no philomena lynott, nope didn't light my fire.. so back to getting your hole

ah... different strokes for different folks i've seen them a few times and they've been alot better than that and just cos you dont/didnt like them doesnt mean other folk wont, same with every band

I like Easi Singles*. And to quote Jack Nicholson in 'As Good As It Gets' "People who speak in metaphors should shampoo my crotch." *Only on a cheese burger mind.

Eoghan, is this a record-breaking thread or wha'? and do record-breaking threads include record-breaking thread enquiries? if not, please ignore this particular message. thanks.

tatoo that there and you just might get those different strokes your talking about, and people who quote jack nicholson generally have a meta-poo in their sham crotch i say do as spinal tap does and get a cucumber down there. now where were the derek smalls davis st hubbins and nigel tuffnel element of WCH

ON THAT VERY VERY SUBJECT........ somebody remarked to me after i got offstage at the workinclass hero thing..that i should never again wear white cords while playing a gig...aparently the outline of my 'scram-dougal' (copyright fishface 2003) was all too visable in the upper trouser area....at least its not big enough to offend anyone i replied...but the person replied...maybe not but it looked big in them tight white cords!!!!! so basically im gonna wear them white cords until they get up and walk away from me on their own..and when that happens im gonna buy another pair...MICKEY MAGNIFYING CORDS ... GIVES EVEN THE MOST MODEST OF BROTHERS A SPORTING CHANCE WITH THE LADIES...AVAILABLE FROM TOPSHOP € 45 EURO .... THE LOOK ON HER (OR HIS) FACE WHEN THEY REALISE THAT THE BEAST WITHIN WAS NOTHING BUT AN ANOREXIC WORM (PRONOUNCED WUR-IM IF UR HONEST-TO-JAYSUS!!).....PRICELESS!

ya i need me a pair of them me little fish balls need a lift what do you think love of my life shewolf?

Stumbled upon on that "Working Class" gig. Shower of f**kin chancers, "working class" my hole, half of you don't even work. That aside, The Things, Listo & Subtonics, three diverse sounds but f**kin top. guaranteed if these boys were English from D4 or Blackrock with Mammy & Daddy sponsoring studio time & promotional tours in the U.S. they would be getting serious radio play. "don't go selling your soul" and be proud of the "green shirt"

the green shirt wha??? yeeeeeeeoooowwwww!!!!!! random punter..is your name breda brady by anychance?

Random punter, you're clearly a dangerous spacer with chips on both shoulders. And you obviously have not one iota as to how the music business works. Nobody gets records deals because they have money or who their parents are. if they did we all would have been subjected to dire recordings from alexandria richards, scarlett paige, james jagger et al the reason why the biz end of the music biz is so cutthroat and dangerous, is because it boils down to one tangible and hard thing MONEY. if you ain't good enough (or s**te but marketable enough) to shift records by the ton and make everyone lots of fun/corrupting MONEY then you go nowhere with companies. £, $, €, in whatever langauge you want to put it, is the bottom line on the dotted line. money talks and bulls**t walks, though i'd say yours waddles about feebly. i've never heard such unadulterated nonsense in all my life, its misconceptions such as yours that keeps this world propagating morons. it doesn't matter where you hail from if you haven't got it you haven't got it and if you do it's instantly recognisable, whether it's spoken in plummy tones or drawling dublinese. just for the record there are very few bands in the world famous or otherwise that have made it where the members all came from comfortable backgrounds v. few (the strokes still really remain to be seen how authentic they are i have my doubts) adn there are very good reasons for this, which i won't expound here because you clearly wouldn't understand and i don't cast pearls before swines. it must be terrible to be stupid.

Random Punter I gather was referring to The Thrills. Now I ain't a major fan of their music but i have no problem with them being successful - i'd rather see them do well then a Louis Walsh act, at least they play instruments and write. To be honest I think it's really sad that they kind of had to move away from Ireland to get any real recognition here - they move awy start getting attention from the likes of the nme and Ireland's like 'Oh the Thrills we loovvve them' and that sucks big time - and it's a real Irish thing to begrudge them doing well - i hate that s**t - I'm delighted that an Irish band are getting so much recognition around the world for a change. Does their class or background have any meaning in this context...no i don't believe it does and I think that people that have to resort to slagging a band on the basis of their accents or where they come from is pathetic - by all means if you don't like a band fine - but have a better argument then that...it's too easy. And again i'm not into hearing people with chips on their shoulder s**ting on about how 'real' they are cos they are 'working' class - you don't choose the life you are born into but you do choose the life you lead. Amen.

but Dromed you are missing a vital point.... they're southsiders :)

i saw them last night supporting the stones and all i gotta say is they abused an opportunity. they just stood there, never acknowledged the crowd, and god knows there were enough interested people who had actually bothered to go see them. each guy in the band might as well have been playing by himself or with himself- they were being that self indulgent. they were boring and the singer has very bad projection, the best sound equipment nad system and you still couldn't make out the lyrics of songs. poppy yes tolerable perhaps but boring boring boringzzzzzzzzzzzz. sorry nodded off there. if any of the great bands that i've seen playing recently around dublin were up there last night they would have beem milkin the chance, playing to the crowd and thouroughly getting into their own gig! its so sad, but lets be constructive there's gotta be a serious way to get the good ones up there?

Random punter, you're clearly a dangerous spacer with chips on both shoulders. money talks and bulls**t walks, though i'd say yours waddles about feebly. adn there are very good reasons for this, which i won't expound here because you clearly wouldn't understand and i don't cast pearls before swines. it must be terrible to be stupid. Just a few extracts from shewolfs's reply to Random punter's message. Having reviewed random punter's message I certainly didn't see anything that would make me think he/she was either a "dangerous spacer" or "stupid". I think shewolf you are missing the whole point of this forum, which is to express an opinion or comment on the Irish music scene. It certainly wasn't set up for people to launch scathing attacks on other members or to question their intellect. While random punter's views appear to be a bit clouded he/she was merely expressing an opinion. In addition, I didn't see any where in his/her message where a specific band was being "slagged off" - point to "Dromed". Getting back to "Shewolf" - I have read a number of your messages on this forum and while you appear to have a well rounded knowledge of music and of the Irish music scene you are one of a species that is becoming very prevalent in Dublin these days - a "music snob". I would imagine that you are an individual who sits in a room most evenings listening to your vast collection of cds and can't wait to log on to forum such as this to let everybody know how much you know about music "alexandria richards, scarlett paige, james jagger et al". A forum like this provides you with the perfect vehicle to drive home your knowledge because I would imagine you have no friends and those you once had now stay away because they are frightened of you and your superior intellect-check out your spelling of and " adn ". I realise I have wandered down the path of the hypocritical with my last comments but it had to be said. By the way I think it's great for any Irish act to sell loads of records whether it be The Thrills, Westlife or Sammy Mumba (MMMMMM) we should never ridicule an act for who writes or produces their songs lets just get the songs out there and let our beautiful Irish voices be heard. Respect to The Things-you're going to make it boys.

no story, you're missing the point, this forum is to express your opinion and opinion's are subjective and individual. not some wishy washy bulls**t oh its irish they sell loads so they are great. some of us aren't so starry eyed to lose our critical faculties. as for sitting around just listening to records or trying to be intellectual about it, its merely a question of being an articulate individual who happens to know stuff, and i think if you're going to say something you should have points or illustrations as to what you mean to back it up. You know nothing about me story and you are obviously the scathingly critical person here to pick up on mere slights of the keyboard such as adn. which anybody else would realise is and. ADN another thing nobody's ridiculing anyone just speaking their honest minds on what they think of the music, the only time i savage someone is when they venture off the discussion of music to wander into personal abuse then i give as good as i get. to make a pathetic generalisation about class like random punter did without any valid argument shows stupidity to me as well as being clearly in a bubble as to how the biz works and i'm entitled to say it whatever way i want, its flattering you think i have some superior knowledge that you think i'm showing off but actually i'm just saying it like it is for me, which isn't flattering to you, if i were you i'd rethink your story and be more discerning in your support for Irish music though being the liberal i am if manufactured muzak is your thing then so be it.

Worst thread ever.

"Thrills, Westlife or Sammy Mumba (MMMMMM) we should never ridicule an act for who writes or produces their songs lets just get the songs out there and let our beautiful Irish voices be heard." Jesus Christ. "our"? I personally don't have any beautiful Irish voices. I have a crap voice. What does it matter than anybody is Irish? Should any band mean anything to me just they are from the same place. The only reason a band would be of interest because of where they're from would be in seeing how the environment and culture they lived in affected their music. I don't think the Thrills have been musically affected by irish culture unless it made them look elsewhere for influence. The idea of being proud of someone else's achievements just because they are from the same place as you seems strange to me.

Kaboom!!

i spoke to the singer out of the thrills conor one night in the village not that long ago, i was a bit locked and i was telling him that having heard his album properly i liked it and that i thought it was great that a group of lads from dublin were gettin written about by nme and the music press all over the planet and that people were liking their stuff, the impression i got was that he was humbled and genuinely appreciative of the success his band has achieved. he seemed like a fairly honest-to-jaysus person and he was a complete gentleman to me. thats about as good as i expect from any person be they from foxrock, ballybock, coolock, the airport out in knock, london, paris, peckham..weather they are bass player in listo or lead singer of the rolling stones... the fact is that the thrills owe nothing to us, no band does..irish or otherwise. like everyone else they will have good and bad days, ,make positive and negative career choices and in the end of the day they will hope that they can look back and go at least we f**kin did something....fair f**ks to the thrills. and fair f**ks to any irish person thats in a band and can look at their success asa positive thing as opposed to looking at them and thinking 'that should be me!!' there is a piece of the pie for us all, how big a piece just depends on how hungry we are. coveting the success of those around us will get us nowhere

....and so say all of us!!!!

Beautifully put Dirty!

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