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hearty

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9/27/2006 4:39 PM
its been an exciting time for the irish music scene with all the most promising acts signed up to labels, small and large over the last year. but as the bands start to release the albums and begin to make their way into the gigging world one by one they seem to be falling on the early hurdles. blizards - talented, but very very poppy. will sell bloody loads with people outside dublin, but whats the point in another shallow pop act? director - first single was great, new single is arse. getting better live, though. if the single for the album is that poor what chance the album? humanzi - poor album, huge deal. seems like they made it too early in their development.. could stifle them? great passion. immediate - good but patchy album, but nothing to rival the better alternative bands... second album not optioned by their label.. marshalls - whats the delay on the album? wasn't it recorded last year? the question is, is it reasonable to want an irish band to do well? can the little scene here produce something to rival any of the bigger acts? hopefully all these acts get better and come through. your opinions greatly appriciated. Gar IrishMusicHeart - coming soon to the heart of irish alternative music.

ishrink

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9/27/2006 4:57 PM
Wasn't expecting very much from any of the above tbh. An album from Channel One would be mighty interesting though.

nerraw

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9/27/2006 5:12 PM
I think about 90% of all current bands could be described as emperors new clothing. The Marshals, saw once and they were awful. About as edgey as McFly

Una

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9/27/2006 5:24 PM
why the concern with bands you don't particularly like? Dublin seems to operate in some benevolent 60s warp where the 'scene' has to be supported and scrutinised at all costs. It has become an introverted obsession. Listen to music you like, everything else should be met with indifference, not examination?

nerraw

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9/27/2006 5:35 PM
Come on Una, you don't believe that yourself. Slagging bands off is part and parcel of any city's music scene. Dublin is no different to London or New York or Grimsby.

Una

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9/27/2006 5:37 PM
sorry I was just doing a Bertie. BANDS ARE NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS

nerraw

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9/27/2006 5:53 PM
The reason why I took the massive advance from a big label is because my band was going through a difficult time and we were splitting up. It doesn't mean that I'm compromising our sound. Just friends giving me a dig out. And even if said friends were appointed to positions by me, doesn't mean that my ethics have been compromised.

Gar

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9/27/2006 5:55 PM
Just to confirm (or distance myself from using 'arse' as an adjective) I'm not posting as 'hearty' - he seems to be a gar too.

benni

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9/27/2006 5:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by ishrink Wasn't expecting very much from any of the above tbh. An album from Channel One would be mighty interesting though. Thats cause Channel One rock like a muthaf*ka!! They're releasing an EP pretty soon and I recommend everyone check it out. Mighty Stefs album just came out and if there's any justice in the world people will grab a copy and get into it. The Things album should be released soon enough - they are definitly worth their salt and I am very much looking forward to it. Cap Pas Cap are releasing an 12" soon - they've been working away quietly for a while and are now doing extremely well...still keeping a low profile and what not but are becoming busy little beavers. Also Sickboy - judging their EP tracks on their myspace (silence in conversation / The ATune etc) a release from them would be VERY promising indeed. There are so many bands just* 'under the radar' if you will that are comin up with some seriously deadly stuff - so maybe expand the ole horizons and check them out!!!

Una

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9/27/2006 6:01 PM
I agree with everything Benni said. Unfortunately, she forgot to mention Stagger Lee, whose track Misery River is the best song I've heard in ages. Also LOST whose new demos are up on their myspace/components are great.

Rev Jules

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9/27/2006 6:25 PM
You know, I think slagging off/praising groups is an integral part of being a music fan, what I dont like is this "I'm not really into this band myself but I object to you having a less than gushing appreciation of them". That really gets me. Maybe its just me, but I can't see the point in being lukewarm about music. You love it or hate it.

hearty

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9/27/2006 8:25 PM
i'm not trying to slag anyone off unconstructively, i genuinely love music and support it by going to regular (sometimes piss-poor) local gigs and buying local releases. i just don't like a lot of irish bands. however, i'd very much love a band who was irish to make me feel like a lot of bands i like do, and it hasn't happened in a while. i'll check out the other bands mentioned on myspace. there isn't really a scene here though, is there? lots of small scenes... (the things/manzi/channel1/sickboy/mainline one, the blizzards/marshalls/director one... etc) Gar(se)

Una

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9/27/2006 9:13 PM
in my experience, music isn't exclusive to geography. I just don't like talking about scenes generally because it creates the shorthand of association.

raoul

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9/27/2006 9:39 PM
any sign of Aleko releasing anything any time soon? great band. Always enjoy their gigs...

ishrink

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9/28/2006 12:10 AM
quote: Originally posted by benni There are so many bands just 'under the radar' if you will that are comin up with some seriously deadly stuff - so maybe expand the ole horizons and check them out!!! Have seen all the aforementioned except Sickboy, who I've been meaning to check out. The rest of them... meh.

stephen

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9/28/2006 2:34 AM
I noticed Humanzi got a good review in last month's UNCUT magazine... which would suggest a UK release of their album?

Pilchard

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9/28/2006 9:12 AM
i feel as if i'm living a groundhog day sometimes in cluas. did we have this discussion last month, no? or the month before? anyway...... the director album is godawful. will not get a UK release. the marshalls have one decent tune. will be dropped. what happened to dc pakt? have red organ serpent sound packed it in? or did they run out of face paint? humanzis album got a release in the UK. no-one bought it, though. immediate album v good. now managed by paul mcguinness. may turn out to be the new paddy caseys the things ROCK but nothing they've done to date on CD has matched the live show. channel 1 are so-so. staggerlee still sound like sons and daughters but that can be seen by some as a good thing. AMAZING bass player, not sure about the singer.

Una

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9/28/2006 10:12 AM
I like the Director album, but it gets samey. I f**king hate Red Organ Serpent Sound. Scumbags.

nerraw

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9/28/2006 10:17 AM
Why are they scum bags?

Pilchard

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9/28/2006 10:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw Why are they scum bags? i was gonna ask the same question. i just think they're numpties but scum bags is a bit heavy. me thinks theres a story. cmon una - roll with it. make it interesting and snappy.

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9/28/2006 10:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Una Also LOST whose new demos are up on their myspace/components are great. sound pretty good alright. definately worth checking out at the HWCH weekend.

nerraw

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9/28/2006 10:35 AM
Numpty has to be one of the best insults in recent times, it's all encompassing. Works especially great in a Dublin accent, 'you f**kin numpty.'

Pilchard

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9/28/2006 10:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw Numpty has to be one of the best insults in recent times, it's all encompassing. Works especially great in a Dublin accent, 'you f**kin numpty.' its a great one alright. i used to work with this scottish lad who used it all the time - sounds even better in a thick glaswegian accent

THE DARK ONE

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9/28/2006 11:17 AM
regarding the red organ serpant sounds the singer is a bit mental, i like one of their tunes, sounds very similar to a tune by the things.big organ sound

Gar

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9/28/2006 11:53 AM
Is it just me or have people tended to go a bit overboard with 'Towers And Clouds' by The Immediate? I do like it but some reviews have called it one of the best Irish debuts in recent years. Plenty of good Irish acts around that haven't been mentioned in this thread..... - The Chapters - Dry County - The Flaws - Jenny Lindfors - The Prescriptions

walt

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9/28/2006 12:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by raoul any sign of Aleko releasing anything any time soon? great band. Always enjoy their gigs... Cheers Raoul. Wer goin back into the studio soon to record and plan to release an EP early next year.

roadhousemag

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9/28/2006 12:23 PM
soviet filter recorded the best demos i've ever heard, with no money. they had the songs but had absolutely no co-ordination or organisation in their set up. still the tunes on their two demos bit the arse off anything i've heard from the immediate or many of the bands mentioned on this threads. delorentos chakras hybrasil bleedin bleedins (even tough in the states mnost of the time) boss volenti (great live) channel one the urges....are a few more.....

Pilchard

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9/28/2006 12:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gar Is it just me or have people tended to go a bit overboard with 'Towers And Clouds' by The Immediate? think its just u gar.....

Gar

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9/28/2006 12:28 PM
I've come to that conclusion, Pilchard.....it's a lonely Thursday!!!

hearty

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9/28/2006 12:57 PM
the immediate aren't managed by paul mcguinness! he may be coming onboard for licensing in europe but they're quite ably managed by that guy who manages berkley... (s**t.. whats his name?) anyway - immediate album has ambition, ideas and if they were a little better with their internal editing they'd have an amazing set of songs, but unfortunately its not cohesive or consitent enough. i checked out the things after being recommended before and i thought they were great live, but didn't have any songs. i suppose every band has to have one great song: eg - director - reconnect humanzi - out on a wire etc...

Unicron

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9/28/2006 1:20 PM
quote: Originally posted by roadhousemag soviet filter recorded the best demos i've ever heard, with no money. they had the songs but had absolutely no co-ordination or organisation in their set up. still the tunes on their two demos bit the arse off anything i've heard from the immediate or many of the bands mentioned on this threads. My Polish Cleft = Probably the best Irish song I've ever heard. They coulda been an Irish Wolf Parade.

crucifixio

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9/28/2006 1:43 PM
This topic is very funny in its irony. It's the typical Irish Begrudgery coming out in everyone. Case in point: I really like the Immediate Album but it seems that most people in here have gone off them because they are getting some good press and are tipped to be quite big. I personally think they are going to be very big because they are still very young and have the talent to write a catcy song with some depth. Other cases: (I don't personally like them) The Frames - everybody seems to hate them Mr. Ricecakes - Went big abroad - hated here I can see this happening soon to Bell X1. On a completely separate point, I heard that the Humanzi album is terrible but I saw them live last week and they were quite good, don't know whether to get the album.

Pilchard

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9/28/2006 1:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearty the immediate aren't managed by paul mcguinness! he may be coming onboard for licensing in europe but they're quite ably managed by that guy who manages berkley... (s**t.. whats his name?) anyway - immediate album has ambition, ideas and if they were a little better with their internal editing they'd have an amazing set of songs, but unfortunately its not cohesive or consitent enough. u mean Philip Carton? he also managed Chicks. He's still involved but so are Principle Management and Paul McGuinness. Good for everyone methinks

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9/28/2006 1:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gar Is it just me or have people tended to go a bit overboard with 'Towers And Clouds' by The Immediate? I do like it but some reviews have called it one of the best Irish debuts in recent years. I'd agree with you. It's a solid enough debut, but a bit ragged. Shows promise, but a long way from the finished article. Ps. It's called 'in towers and clouds'; think the promos had the name misprinted on the cover.

John Doe

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9/28/2006 2:22 PM
Rice Cakes isn't hated because he's successful. He's hated because his music is turgid bland w*nk AND because in every interview he whines about how awful it is being successful. And I personally hate him because he's banging Renee Zellweger. Who I fancy. So there.

amawaster

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9/28/2006 2:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by John Doe And I personally hate him because he's banging Renee Zellweger. Who I fancy. So there. think she's back with Clooney..

nerraw

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9/28/2006 2:40 PM
Christ, the ole Irish begrudgery line. This is a myth, it doesn't exist. Irish people are not more susceptible begrudgery than any other nation. Everytime someone doesn't like a few bands etc, someone will come out with the extremely tiresome and whining "typical Irish begrudgery."

Rev Jules

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9/28/2006 3:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by John Doe And I personally hate him because he's banging Renee Zellweger. Who I fancy. So there. Eh, then you should also hate Kenny Chesney whom she dumped Ricecakes to marry, that is if RC actually banged her in the first case, and please no more hatemail, its getting very tiresome and I don't reply to it either

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9/28/2006 3:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard staggerlee still sound like sons and daughters but that can be seen by some as a good thing. AMAZING bass player, not sure about the singer. Pilchard...you're a hoot

Pilchard

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9/28/2006 3:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Pilchard staggerlee still sound like sons and daughters but that can be seen by some as a good thing. AMAZING bass player, not sure about the singer. Pilchard...you're a hoot maybe its the other way round, will get back to u

Antistar

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9/28/2006 4:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una I like the Director album, but it gets samey. I f**king hate Red Organ Serpent Sound. Scumbags. Una! Please!

markyedison

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9/29/2006 12:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by hearty i checked out the things after being recommended before and i thought they were great live, but didn't have any songs. i suppose every band has to have one great song the things had a brilliant demo out a couple of years ago. it had 3 very different and very good songs, any one of which would have made a great single. it was better than anything on their official recordings. unfortunately they've since dropped their more interesting songs for a new direction. last time i saw them (and i hate to sound like a teeny bopper) all their songs sounded the same. one big mass of distortion with pauses. that said 'psycho lover ' is a good song.

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9/29/2006 8:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by Una I f**king hate Red Organ Serpent Sound. Scumbags. Enlighten us as to why? I know 2 of the guys, and they are gentlemen. PQ

ishrink

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9/29/2006 9:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by markyedison last time i saw them (and i hate to sound like a teeny bopper) all their songs sounded the same. one big mass of distortion with pauses. Don't forget the "monster mash" synth in the background of every song.

raoul

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9/29/2006 10:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by markyedison quote: Originally posted by hearty i checked out the things after being recommended before and i thought they were great live, but didn't have any songs. i suppose every band has to have one great song the things had a brilliant demo out a couple of years ago. it had 3 very different and very good songs, any one of which would have made a great single. it was better than anything on their official recordings. unfortunately they've since dropped their more interesting songs for a new direction. last time i saw them (and i hate to sound like a teeny bopper) all their songs sounded the same. one big mass of distortion with pauses. that said 'psycho lover ' is a good song. I really like what The Things are doing. There's no other Irish band quite like them. They are completley underated (imo) but they are the type of band that you will either love or hate - they will only ever have a cult following. Demon Stomp - brilliant song.

Una

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9/29/2006 10:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife quote: Originally posted by Una I fking hate Red Organ Serpent Sound. Scumbags. Enlighten us as to why? I know 2 of the guys, and they are gentlemen. PQ this post will probably just get deleted... the lead singer is a wker. I love The Things though.

Daragh

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9/29/2006 10:27 AM
aye Demon Stomp is a great tune,and Psycho Lover wasnt half bad either. Think they are way better now than a few years ago

Dromed

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9/29/2006 11:07 AM
Here does anyone here speak Dutch...??? (THink it's Dutch....) http://sloes.web-log.nl/ Dublin staat deze week in het teken van het Fringe Festival, een kunst-, theater- en muziekfestival. Er zijn iets van honderd optredens op diverse locaties. In George's Dock hebben ze de Spiegeltent neergezet (zo'n ronde, kitscherige, ouderwetse tent die ze op Lowlands ook gebruiken als perstent), waar ook optredens zijn. Gisterenavond speelden daar drie bandjes en dus ben ik even gaan kijken met mijn collega Gerdine. De eerste band heette Stagger Lee en was een soort kruising tussen Patti Smith en The Pretenders. Klonk goed en met name de zangeres was erg goed bezig. Als tweede speelden The Things. Ze worden hier de Dublinse Cramps genoemd en dat is ook niet voor niets. De zanger zag eruit als een jongere, iets dikkere Lux Interior en de muziek rockte lekker creepy door. Je kunt ze overigens beluisteren op hun MySpace-pagina (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3529301). En als derde speelde Pete Pamf & His Band. Na twee rockende bandjes kregen we ineens funk. En nogal vage funk ook nog. Na een paar nummers, mede omdat het intussen al bijna 1 uur was, maar weggegaan.

Daragh

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9/29/2006 11:12 AM
i speak flemish but on point of principle im not going to translate Dutch. damn splitters. lets just sum it up to say they think you have good Klonk dromed, but youre zanger zag leaves room for improvement.

Peaches

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9/29/2006 11:16 AM
Dromed, I happen to think yer zanger zag is yer best fetaure!

nerraw

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9/29/2006 11:20 AM
From free online translator. Dublin stands this week in the sign of the Fringe Festival, an art, theater and music festival. There are something of hundred actions on various locations. In Georges Dock have they the mirror tent neergezet (such round, kitscherige, old-fashioned tent that they on Lowlands also use as press tent), where also actions are. a,. Last night that three ties played and thus I want to go look just with my colleague Gerdine. The first tie was named Borrow Stagger and was a kind of crossing between Patti Smith and The Pretenders. Sounded good and with name the singer was very good busy. If The Things second played. They are named here the Dublinse Cramps and is that also not for nothing. The singer saw through from it as a younger, something thicker Lux Interior and the music rockte delicious creepy. You can listen to they otherwise on their MySpace-page And as third Cap Pamf played & His Tie. After two rockende ties, we got all at once funk. And rather vague funk also yet. After a few numbers, also because it in the meantime already almost 1 hour was, but gone away

Daragh

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9/29/2006 11:24 AM
just heard "misery river" f**king quality, love the bass line, real moody. great tune

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9/29/2006 11:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gar Is it just me or have people tended to go a bit overboard with 'Towers And Clouds' by The Immediate? I do like it but some reviews have called it one of the best Irish debuts in recent years. Plenty of good Irish acts around that haven't been mentioned in this thread..... - The Chapters - Dry County - The Flaws - Jenny Lindfors - The Prescriptions Good to see Dry County get a mention. one of my favourite acts going. I think generally, it is some of the more lo-fi acts in the country that are grabbing my attention, the likes of The Terribles & The Hollows & Si Schroeder I suppose if he qualifies in that category Other than that, think Crayonsmith, Redneck Manifeston, Dudley Corporation are 3 of the best we have, and I can't wait to hear more Cap Pas Cap.

Daragh

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9/29/2006 11:31 AM
Think i said it somewhere else, and ill rant on about him any chance i get, but The Mighty Stef. Brilliant.

Peaches

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9/29/2006 11:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Daragh just heard "misery river" f**king quality, love the bass line, real moody. great tune Tis indeed...that tune sends shivers through me.

Una

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9/29/2006 11:56 AM
Yeah, Misery River is so quality. Probably one of my favourite songs this year. Can you get it on any non-digital format?

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9/29/2006 11:57 AM
Sickboy have produced an absolute cracker of a single in the A tune. Its on their myspace site http://www.myspace.com/sickboyofficial and I would recommend people having a listen to it. I haven't seen them live yet but I am looking forward to it. And as for all the other Irish bands out there, good luck with it, its a jungle out there!!

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9/29/2006 12:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by scullster Sickboy have produced an absolute cracker of a single in the A tune. Its on their myspace site http://www.myspace.com/sickboyofficial and I would recommend people having a listen to it. I haven't seen them live yet but I am looking forward to it. And as for all the other Irish bands out there, good luck with it, its a jungle out there!! Sickboy - legend, legend band - cracking tunes. Seem to get a bit shafted re: their sound sometimes but generally put on a really good gig - defo ones to go see at HWCH this year.

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9/29/2006 12:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Una Yeah, Misery River is so quality. Probably one of my favourite songs this year. Can you get it on any non-digital format? Hi Una, Afraid not - we'll be bringing out a single in the new year but it won't be Misery - holding on to that for the album!

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9/29/2006 1:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Una Yeah, Misery River is so quality. Probably one of my favourite songs this year. Can you get it on any non-digital format? Hi Una, Afraid not - we'll be bringing out a single in the new year but it won't be Misery - holding on to that for the album! Misery River? Any relation to Misery is the River of the World by Tom Waits?

hearty

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9/29/2006 1:23 PM
so, in summary there are lots of interesting bands on the margins. however, my point was that of the signed bands, each one seems to be not as good as hoped, and are beginning to show themselves as being dissapointing. do irish music fas/critics not give bands enough time to develop? or is that the fault of the label?

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9/29/2006 1:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by Antistar quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Una Yeah, Misery River is so quality. Probably one of my favourite songs this year. Can you get it on any non-digital format? Hi Una, Afraid not - we'll be bringing out a single in the new year but it won't be Misery - holding on to that for the album! Misery River? Any relation to Misery is the River of the World by Tom Waits? No, 'fraid not. It's generally about a witch hunt that results in a hanging over a river called Misery. Pleasant, cheery stuff ha ha! We were called 'Death Country' recently...'Misery' was probably what brought that on!

Antistar

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9/29/2006 1:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Antistar quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Una Yeah, Misery River is so quality. Probably one of my favourite songs this year. Can you get it on any non-digital format? Hi Una, Afraid not - we'll be bringing out a single in the new year but it won't be Misery - holding on to that for the album! Misery River? Any relation to Misery is the River of the World by Tom Waits? No, 'fraid not. It's generally about a witch hunt that results in a hanging over a river called Misery. Pleasant, cheery stuff ha ha! We were called 'Death Country' recently...'Misery' was probably what brought that on! What's the name of yr band?

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9/29/2006 1:55 PM
Was thinking the same thing myself Antistar, think its Dry Country from looking back over the thread?????? If so i think i seen them paying with Delorentos in Whelans last year, if it was them they sounded really good.

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9/29/2006 1:58 PM
It's Stagger Lee if I'm not mistaken.

Peaches

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9/29/2006 2:12 PM
They are indeed Stagger Lee... http://www.staggerlee.moonfruit.com/

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9/29/2006 2:43 PM
where can i download some stagger lee? not stream, download?

Dromed

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9/29/2006 3:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by dudley where can i download some stagger lee? not stream, download? Hey Dudley - i think there are up for download on the sonic bids site..not too sure..we haven't generally made them available for download - but can send ya a demo if you like?

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9/29/2006 3:08 PM
you can do that here - http://www.sonicbids.com/epk/epk.asp?epk_id=75323 On the track section of the EPK

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9/29/2006 3:20 PM
Are Dromed, Benni and Peaches in Stagger Lee????

Dromed

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9/29/2006 3:21 PM
quote: Originally posted by Man in a can Are Dromed, Benni and Peaches in Stagger Lee???? Nahh Peaches is a WAG.....!!!!!! Ha ha !

dudley

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9/29/2006 3:23 PM
send demo, that would rule! pm for me me addy can you pm on this site?

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9/29/2006 3:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by Man in a can Are Dromed, Benni and Peaches in Stagger Lee???? I'm in Stagger Lee too.

Dromed

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9/29/2006 3:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by ctrlaltdelete quote: Originally posted by Man in a can Are Dromed, Benni and Peaches in Stagger Lee???? I'm in Stagger Lee too. In a sexual way>>>>

benni

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9/29/2006 3:36 PM
in a way - arent we ALL in Stagger Lee Just a little bit...... sigh

Man in a can

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9/29/2006 3:39 PM
Cant download in work but i must have a listen tonight and see am i in Stagger Lee

Una

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9/29/2006 3:40 PM
Stagger Lee is a state of mind. Like Nike, or something.

ctrlaltdelete

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9/29/2006 3:43 PM
I sort out their 'fruits and flowers' on the rider.

Una

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9/29/2006 3:44 PM
then you're the most important band member, clearly.

Dromed

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9/29/2006 3:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by ctrlaltdelete I sort out their 'fruits and flowers' on the rider. and a few 'extras' don't forget.....

ctrlaltdelete

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9/29/2006 3:47 PM
they're not called "the powder/puff girls" for nothing.

Peejay

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9/29/2006 3:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by ctrlaltdelete I sort out their 'fruits and flowers' on the rider. I assume thats a euphemism.

Dromed

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9/29/2006 3:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by ctrlaltdelete they're not called "the powder/puff girls" for nothing. Haaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ...I LOVE IT !!!

Norman Schwarzkopf

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9/29/2006 4:50 PM
I'm Stagger Lee's brother, Sober Lee. I'm adopted.

benni

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9/29/2006 5:02 PM
hahaha!!! Ah normy - its always quality over quantity with you eh? Ya Legend!

LupusMusic

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9/30/2006 4:41 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard i feel as if i'm living a groundhog day sometimes in cluas. did we have this discussion last month, no? or the month before? anyway...... the director album is godawful. will not get a UK release. the marshalls have one decent tune. will be dropped. what happened to dc pakt? have red organ serpent sound packed it in? or did they run out of face paint? humanzis album got a release in the UK. no-one bought it, though. immediate album v good. now managed by paul mcguinness. may turn out to be the new paddy caseys the things ROCK but nothing they've done to date on CD has matched the live show. channel 1 are so-so. staggerlee still sound like sons and daughters but that can be seen by some as a good thing. AMAZING bass player, not sure about the singer. I assume from the fact you have a Director album that you are working in the press or radio as it has not been released to the public yet. And as this is in the public domain and has been brought to my attention I have no hesitation in replying publicly to your somewhat fantastic point of view. I have no problem with your "Opinion" of the Director album although I strongly disagree. However to say it won't get a UK release is just talking through your hat. The touring and release schedule is already booked for the UK, US and europe next year. The band Wrote recorded and produced the album wrote the scripts for the videos and in the main have recieved excellent reviews on the album so far. It is a very good Debut and should be lauded as such. The Marshals have many good songs and have been writing this summer and plan to release in Febuary. If you knew anything about making an album you would know that bands are allowed to grow and are released when ready. DC Packt have lost a member of their band replaced that member and are working on an ep release now. Red Organ Serpant sound have just finished their album and release is planned for early next year also. Philip Cartin manages the Immediate not Paul and does so very well. Indeed on an Indie budget they have done astoundingly well and have released a very fine record. More chineese whispers and bullst there then. I cannot speak for the Things or Channel one but Just listing off developing acts who deserve time and space to grow is pathetic and counterproductive. The only Groundhog day is listening to people like you whacking off in a negitive way about young Irish bands who work fking hard. Get a life! Richard Mc Donogh Lupus Music

Binokular

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9/30/2006 7:20 PM
I reckon anyone that says Channel One are only so-so needs to go listen to an early MBV or Sonic Youth record. CH-1 excite me in a way few other Irish bands have in recent years. I haven't even seen them live, only heard stuff they've recorded, yet admire their spirit and artistic potential.

mattso

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10/1/2006 4:30 AM
...agreed binokular and they sound even better live. One of the, if not the, most interesting and exciting irish acts in the last year. Hot Chip should be good this week... www.myspace.com/channelonesound

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10/1/2006 1:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Binokular I reckon anyone that says Channel One are only so-so needs to go listen to an early MBV or Sonic Youth record. CH-1 excite me in a way few other Irish bands have in recent years. I haven't even seen them live, only heard stuff they've recorded, yet admire their spirit and artistic potential. I went to see them quite a bit in their first year out because one of the guys in them is the brother of one of my best mates and he was always at me to go see them because no one else was and I was constantly impressed with the amazing MBV style wall of noise stuff they were doing. I really thought they were great. Then I started skipping shows and then I went to see them last April/May and they'd gone off in a dancier direction that I couldn't get into at all. So to sum it up I kinda agree with you but without wanting to sound like a prick "I prefer their earlier stuff"

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10/1/2006 2:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic I assume from the fact you have a Director album that you are working in the press or radio as it has not been released to the public yet. And as this is in the public domain and has been brought to my attention I have no hesitation in replying publicly to your somewhat fantastic point of view. I have no problem with your "Opinion" of the Director album although I strongly disagree. However to say it won't get a UK release is just talking through your hat. The touring and release schedule is already booked for the UK, US and europe next year. The band Wrote recorded and produced the album wrote the scripts for the videos and in the main have recieved excellent reviews on the album so far. It is a very good Debut and should be lauded as such. The Marshals have many good songs and have been writing this summer and plan to release in Febuary. If you knew anything about making an album you would know that bands are allowed to grow and are released when ready. DC Packt have lost a member of their band replaced that member and are working on an ep release now. Red Organ Serpant sound have just finished their album and release is planned for early next year also. Philip Cartin manages the Immediate not Paul and does so very well. Indeed on an Indie budget they have done astoundingly well and have released a very fine record. More chineese whispers and bullst there then. I cannot speak for the Things or Channel one but Just listing off developing acts who deserve time and space to grow is pathetic and counterproductive. The only Groundhog day is listening to people like you whacking off in a negitive way about young Irish bands who work fking hard. Get a life! Richard Mc Donogh Lupus Music interesting points richard, however, people are intitled to their opinions. I think director work very hard, but to be honest i do find their music to be humourless and uninteresting. saying that, they can produce gold, as i thought the reconnect single was very good. i am looking forward to hearing the album, and i do hope it is very good, but from what i've heard it doesn't seem that way, but i will give it the chance it deserves. forgive me if i don't take entirely on board your opinion of the band you manage! best of luck with the release. Gar

LupusMusic

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10/1/2006 6:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearty quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic I assume from the fact you have a Director album that you are working in the press or radio as it has not been released to the public yet. And as this is in the public domain and has been brought to my attention I have no hesitation in replying publicly to your somewhat fantastic point of view. I have no problem with your "Opinion" of the Director album although I strongly disagree. However to say it won't get a UK release is just talking through your hat. The touring and release schedule is already booked for the UK, US and europe next year. The band Wrote recorded and produced the album wrote the scripts for the videos and in the main have recieved excellent reviews on the album so far. It is a very good Debut and should be lauded as such. The Marshals have many good songs and have been writing this summer and plan to release in Febuary. If you knew anything about making an album you would know that bands are allowed to grow and are released when ready. DC Packt have lost a member of their band replaced that member and are working on an ep release now. Red Organ Serpant sound have just finished their album and release is planned for early next year also. Philip Cartin manages the Immediate not Paul and does so very well. Indeed on an Indie budget they have done astoundingly well and have released a very fine record. More chineese whispers and bullst there then. I cannot speak for the Things or Channel one but Just listing off developing acts who deserve time and space to grow is pathetic and counterproductive. The only Groundhog day is listening to people like you whacking off in a negitive way about young Irish bands who work fking hard. Get a life! Richard Mc Donogh Lupus Music interesting points richard, however, people are intitled to their opinions. I think director work very hard, but to be honest i do find their music to be humourless and uninteresting. saying that, they can produce gold, as i thought the reconnect single was very good. i am looking forward to hearing the album, and i do hope it is very good, but from what i've heard it doesn't seem that way, but i will give it the chance it deserves. forgive me if i don't take entirely on board your opinion of the band you manage! best of luck with the release. Gar It's not your opinion or his I'm pissed off about Gar, as stated! think what you will. But getting on a horse and saying that one of my bands will be dropped and the other will not get uk release is pure stupidity. Badly informed and therefore a useless statment. Also your sweeping comments are a little tired.I wish you were here 10 -15 years ago when all you would have to talk about was feckin boyzone. The Blizzards The Marshals and Director work seven days a week up to 20 hrs a day and sell alot of records to satisfied punters. The reviews for directors album have thus far been no less than 8/10. So I'm not sure what your opinion is based on??? And I know some will slate it - that's part of the game! I care more for the thousands of texts and emails from fans who love what they and my other acts do. But my point is -What about starting a constructive topic Like Jesus isn't it amazing how hard so many of these bands work and have been working to get these albums out! Isn't great that all of the above and now Roy Seven have had multiple top ten hits in their home territories and are now moving out into the international markets. So what if Humanzie have low starting sales - they went and did it, It's a good album. Plenty of people including myself love them.You have so much good work to talk about and all you can come up with is ....... Sorry mate can't and won't except that as valid. How the fk can we get a thriving industry going here if people just feel free to take a half informed st on the best we have. And yes there are loads of other new acts coming up some may exceed the above in the long term. Let them try and support them on the way up. Every act/manager/record company, publisher whatever that has success from these shores only paves the way for the next batch. Yes people are intitled to their opinions but for God's sake stop talking this boring load of s**te. R

Unicron

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10/1/2006 8:07 PM
Gotta disagree with you there, if people think Director/The Blizzards/whoever are st then they don't need to back up their statements, all they need to say is "I think whoever is st."

Binokular

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10/1/2006 8:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic But my point is -What about starting a constructive topic Like Jesus isn't it amazing how hard so many of these bands work and have been working to get these albums out! Isn't great that all of the above and now Roy Seven have had multiple top ten hits in their home territories and are now moving out into the international markets. Those are not constructive topics, they are pointless ones. No-one cares how hard a band works (harsh but true and fair), all we care about it is are they any good? When was the last album review you read that praised an album because the band "worked hard"? I don't care if a great album is the result of effortless genius or a painstaking creative process, the work of a dilettante or the truly dedicated. All I care about is, is it good? I keep saying this, but thats because people still seem to think that hard work entitles a band to some kind of payoff or credibilty. Sorry, that's just not how it works. Also, while selling records is clearly a good thing, for an indie-centric discussion board, it never ceases to amaze me how much people focus on commercial success.

dermot_trellis

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10/1/2006 9:37 PM
I read these boards now and then but I just decided to register, hello everyone.. I've got to say, these kind of local scene bashing\downer threads seem to turn up on here extremely frequently, I don't really get what it achieves. If you don't like what's out there and you think you know what great music is, then why not form your own band and actually contribute something of value... It's very easy to throw out sniping comments from behind a keyboard at everything going but it achieves nothing other than the kind of aggravation and bitter feelings often seen on here. I'n not saying "don't criticise anything", obviously that'd be ridiculous and people are entitled to their opinions, but I know personally I'd much rather read people talking up discoveries that they do like rather than another thread of bile and negativity. I think there's plenty of very promising stuff coming through in Dublin, check out Cap Pas Cap, Dae Kim and Groom (ex-Settler) for example. The original poster seems to be looking for Irish acts who are on the verge of maybe getting internationally successful... just today there's a very positive review of Simple Kid in the Sunday Times, Fionn Regan is also getting positive write-ups and I imagine Julie Feeney might be on the verge of a similiar breakthrough. Also some of the stalwart indie acts (The Rednecks + Jape, The Dudley Corporation, The Jimmy Cake) are making gradual inroads into a more widespread popularity. The bands mentioned in the original post are all at a fairly early stage, and things don't happen overnight, give them a while to prove themselves. I've heard the Marshals demos and they certainly have a lot more than one good tune, they have a more interesting bluesy and more soulful side to them on record that doesn't come across so much in their live show. Wait til they get an album out before you pass judgement, anyway.

Pilchard

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10/1/2006 11:19 PM
quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic How the fk can we get a thriving industry going here if people just feel free to take a half informed st on the best we have. we will have a thriving industry here when we have the bands who can make records to make the world beyond dublin bay sit up and pay attention I dont know u but i do appreciate the work u and your acts have put into your music to get this far. however, its not good enough. the director album is extremely weak (despite all the "work" u went on about) and i really doubt if there is a strong, coherent debut album in the marshalls as long as there has been even a biteen of a music industry here, various industry insiders have carped on about "negative comments" and "criticism" as reasons keeping the irish industry down. No, no, no. what keeps the irish music industry is the ha'penny place is the lack of bands with BRILLIANT SONGS, AMBITIONS, BELIEF and - yes, because u do need this as well - THE WILLINGNESS TO PUT IN HARD WORK BOTH HERE AND ABROAD. please dont play a game of smoke and mirrors by moaning about how we should all pull together and get the irish industry working. what that will result in is even more s**te irish bands being hyped and plamased here and then falling head over arse when they leave the country. we're far too soft on our own kind. once we start to excercise some quality control, we might get somewhere.

Rev Jules

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10/2/2006 12:52 AM
Have to say, I never thought that my listening pleasure had anything do with building a thriving industry. Maybe if more musicians cared about the listening pleasure aspect of the industry they might do better. To be fair though, how many bands worldwide have made it to mega stardom, and is their music any the less for it if they dont? I mean I dont care that nobody knows who dana cooper is, or shaver or All Wrecked Up, or Cooder Graw or Jack Ingram or Buddy Miller, their music still gives me a lot of enjoyment. In some areas of music, like folk, people make great music and make great records and know from the start that they will never 'make it big', its not in their game plan, instead they just want to be great musicians. I mean, Martin Hayes is a genius, but he is never going to headline glastonbury and so what anyway. I don't understand this unspoken obsession in indie circles with success, making it big, overseas blah, blah, blah. Its like every corner shop wanting to be Tescos. I was in Whelans recently, and thought I might take a look at the the 'disco' element of it and it struck me as no different from any of the student discos I went to in college. grungy rock and a very definite feeling of an in crowd labouring under the misapprehension that they were outsiders and alternative. Dont see whats alternative about dancing to Arctic Monkeys and by the way you cant dance to that stuff and if you tried you sure wouldn't look good on the dance floor. Give me Nelly Furtado any day, thats a lady with her groove on. In fact, every UK band at the moment is, to me, a pale imitation of Jilted John. When I joined cluas (all those years ago now) I had two definite starting points; that the singer songwriter movement was a load of nonsense (it reached its artistic pinnacle with James Blunt, it wasnt beautiful) and country music, long overlooked, was about to experience a resurgence in interest (2006 midlands festival, sick and indigent song club). But times change and what seems to be happening now is that the irish pop(ular) music scene (because lets face it, very few people on this board extend their discussion to trad, jazz, folk, world or classical music, areas where ireland is very strong) is moving again towards the idea of being in a band. And so, the band scene is now under scrutiny in the same way that acts like Rosey, Mundy etc used to be and what is really happening here is a crowd with nous in this area gazing into their crystal ball to divine the future of irish pop, and I exclude myself here because I am not interested in 4 piece rock bands. My highlight of the year so far was the Steve Reich festival and being present at a performance of his work 'You Are: Variations' and 'Music for 18 Musicians' at the NCH, in the presence of the composer himself, now that was very serious music, and next to it bands like The Immediate, whose album launch I also attended, are a joke. I mean they cant even decide who plays what. Billy Wilder once said, "Nobody ever said 'lets go to this movie, I hear it came in on budget" and the same is true for bands and hard work. The Stones wrote 'I cant get no satisfaction' in 20 minutes. Miles Davis' 'Kind of Blue' was recorded in a couple of sessions with no score written beforehand, and 'astral weeks' was done in mere weeks. If it is that much hard work, maybe you arent very good at it. But I still respect and empathise with a manager who gets on a forum like this to defend the bands they work with.

alameda

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10/2/2006 8:33 AM
points taken jules, but c'mon - you can't compare steve reich to the immediate i think reich was a real innovator, some of the stuff he came up with was way ahead of it's time but he's been around since the dawn of time and has had decades to hone his style and develop his sound, whilst the immediate have only just released their debut album and are still learning their trade if the immediate haven't moved on and sound the same in 3/4 years time, THEN you might have a point

PeterQuaife

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10/2/2006 10:20 AM
i say, fair play to anyone willing to put in the work like a madman/woman and get an album out. What irks the bejesus out of me is the begrudgery of the irish and all these negative throw away comments. i run a club night in the north-west of this country and am astounded by the effort to detail and the work the bands that play put in, hats off to the insane. These negative throw away comments are counter productive...and to say someone can just say a band is shte without backing up their view is, well, a waste of time. sitting at a computer typing in that bands are s*te...jeebus How can someone slag off an album that hasnt been released...faceless forum trollip. And as for the nonsense of making the world outside dublin sit up an listen is garbage...all you need is for radio fu$king one to play a tune and you're landed. nought to do with tunes not being good enough PQ

Pol

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10/2/2006 10:31 AM
Part of enjoying music is slating bands you dont like , get over it its how you connect with folks who like the same stuff as you .I mean i didnt know by becoming a member here we were being employed by the site to do something productive except for maybe helping each other out (that doesent include lying about how good your album is if its not ) ,from what iv seen the majority of the time a good solid honest opinion is very productive - so LupusMusic unless you want us to do Your job for you start getting involved with bands people like !( the immediate and Director are good bands but i cant see who would like the marshals but thats just me )

PeterQuaife

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10/2/2006 10:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pol Part of enjoying music is slating bands you dont like tell me, whats 'enjoyable' about slating bands with throw away comments when you havent given them a chance or heard more of what they do?? PQ

Pilchard

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10/2/2006 10:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife [br How can someone slag off an album that hasnt been released...faceless forum trollip. my comments on the Director album refer to me having a pre-release copy of the Director album. I have listened to the Director album and I think - I, as in me, as in one person, as in Pilchard - think its s**te. Are u ok with this? And when i said "beyond Dublin Bay", i meant the great world beyond IRELAND, not down the country. get that chip off your shoulder, it will make you fall over in the end. Are u OK with this one too?

Pol

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10/2/2006 11:15 AM
Heard more of what they do ?? If you sent a demo to someone do you think they would give you a chance if they didnt like the first thing they heard ? if you have better material to offer then release it first if you want universal appeal !!OF COARSE that isent realistic because bands are allways evolving but either is to say i havent given them a chance when i have heard what they have to offer didnt like it and chose not to listhen to any more of it . Jesus would understand ... read the bible its there in black and white . If a song is good its good irish band or not . i find the only time people get begrudgetyey is when theres a sniff of people dissapearing up there own arse ,doesent seem to be the case with the bands were talking about .

PeterQuaife

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10/2/2006 11:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife [br How can someone slag off an album that hasnt been released...faceless forum trollip. my comments on the Director album refer to me having a pre-release copy of the Director album. I have listened to the Director album and I think - I, as in me, as in one person, as in Pilchard - think its s**te. Are u ok with this? And when i said "beyond Dublin Bay", i meant the great world beyond IRELAND, not down the country. get that chip off your shoulder, it will make you fall over in the end. Are u OK with this one too? everyon is entitled to his/her/its opinion i knew exactly what you meant with outside dublin bay..who gives a flying fu$k if a major label/radio station doesnt pick up on a tune/band and launch it to international stardom..whats wrong with a band making a few waves in ireland??? you rate a band on international sales? and as soon as a local act makes it big, I'm sure you'll be at the front of queue to bring them right back down to earth..throw away comments rock..and i dont even have to explain myself.. You, my friend are the one with the chip on your shoulder..what is your input to music in ireland, and of it positive? hand on heart, did it not float yer boat, or was it indeed 'sh!te'..thats a strong descriptive word sir PQ

Pilchard

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10/2/2006 11:51 AM
quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife I knew exactly what you meant with outside dublin bay..who gives a flying fu$k if a major label/radio station doesnt pick up on a tune/band and launch it to international stardom. where exactly did i say ANYTHING about a major label or "major" radio station?? Dont put words in my mouth to back up your arguments. I stand over my original post - irish bands get a soft run in ireland which doesnt do them any good when they leave ireland and get proper criticism. the irish industry needs more than a fatwa on criticism to succeed. my input to music in ireland? 15 years of buying CDs, records and tickets. that good enough for u?

roadhousemag

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10/2/2006 12:12 PM
this is turning into silly thread. fact is like absolutely everything, people like different things. only in this country a persons opinion on music has to be backed up by 15 reasons why its is so. I think there are loads of ste bands in ireland. i also think there are lots of ste radio djs. i think there are loads of good ones too. I'll tell you one thing I can derive from this though for sure, is that Irish musicians and music fans in general would want to get over themselves and get a bit more thick skinned. most of us will wind up doing something in life we dont like to make a living. If a person chooses to stand/sit/lie on a stage and reveal their thoughts through music then they must be prepared to accept that a) it doesnt guarantee a paycheck every week, b)its difficult to draw interest and c) some people are not going to dig it. Ladies and gentlemen who play music in Ireland, get over it. If Pilchard doesnt like a certain group,he can just express his opinion that he/she/they are ste. He shouldn't need a fookin court argument to back it up. If he feels director, or humanzi or whoever are ste, than thats it, hes made his mind up. I dont like peanut butter, panda are not gonna come on this board stressing at me cos i dont buy what they produce. This country is hyper fookin sensitive, jesus get a fookin tradeor an office job if you dont like public criticism...

PeterQuaife

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10/2/2006 12:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife I knew exactly what you meant with outside dublin bay..who gives a flying fu$k if a major label/radio station doesnt pick up on a tune/band and launch it to international stardom. where exactly did i say ANYTHING about a major label or "major" radio station?? Dont put words in my mouth to back up your arguments. tell me then, how is a irish indie band gonna make it big outside ireland? where does the money come from to go on the road continously to push your wares? if a major label or indie label like rough trade/sub-pop with a bit of cash behind them or major UK / US radio station doesnt get involved, then how? have you any idea the work that goes into even a small uk tour? i'm intrigued. you should release a book..'breaking out of ireland on a shoe-string'..it takes a lot more than a good tune..you should try someday. quote: I stand over my original post - irish bands get a soft run in ireland which doesnt do them any good when they leave ireland and get proper criticism. the irish industry needs more than a fatwa on criticism to succeed. what on gods green earth does this mean? soft-run/proper criticism.... fala flapalalalalal quote: my input to music in ireland? 15 years of buying CDs, records and tickets. that good enough for u? fair play til thee PQ

Pilchard

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10/2/2006 12:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by PeterQuaife tell me then, how is a irish indie band gonna make it big outside ireland? where does the money come from to go on the road continously to push your wares? if a major label or indie label like rough trade/sub-pop with a bit of cash behind them or major UK / US radio station doesnt get involved, then how? have you any idea the work that goes into even a small uk tour? i'm intrigued. you should release a book..'breaking out of ireland on a shoe-string'..it takes a lot more than a good tune..you should try someday. totally different argument for a totally different discussion on a totally different thread. if u want to start one of those, use the New Topic button and we'll all join in if we feel it warrants our time and attention.

PeterQuaife

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10/2/2006 12:30 PM
quote: we will have a thriving industry here when we have the bands who can make records to make the world beyond dublin bay sit up and pay attention how? same argument for the same discussion on the same thread. PQ

Rev Jules

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10/2/2006 1:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by alameda points taken jules, but c'mon - you can't compare steve reich to the immediate i think reich was a real innovator, some of the stuff he came up with was way ahead of it's time but he's been around since the dawn of time and has had decades to hone his style and develop his sound, whilst the immediate have only just released their debut album and are still learning their trade if the immediate haven't moved on and sound the same in 3/4 years time, THEN you might have a point Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html

nerraw

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10/2/2006 1:07 PM
This thread has jumped the shark with the Mozart comparisons. I agree with Pilchard, that Irish bands do get an easy ride here. Absolutely no reason why an Irish band can't go to the UK and have the same success there as they do here. It works the other way, so I would guess musical tastes are similar. Some Irish bands are greatly over rated here and is perhaps one of the reasons why they can't make it in a city a hundred miles away. There is a disproportionate amount of bands just popular in Dublin/Ireland.

PeterQuaife

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10/2/2006 1:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by nerraw This thread has jumped the shark with the Mozart comparisons. Absolutely no reason why an Irish band can't go to the UK and have the same success there as they do here. It works the other way, so I would guess musical tastes are similar. there end'th the argument. it was so simple all along PQ

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10/2/2006 1:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Rev Jules quote: Originally posted by alameda points taken jules, but c'mon - you can't compare steve reich to the immediate i think reich was a real innovator, some of the stuff he came up with was way ahead of it's time but he's been around since the dawn of time and has had decades to hone his style and develop his sound, whilst the immediate have only just released their debut album and are still learning their trade if the immediate haven't moved on and sound the same in 3/4 years time, THEN you might have a point Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html Fair point Jules but at the same time a lot of bands get better over time, FACT. Case in point Radiohead, first album -> two or three great songs and a lot of average ones, but with each passing album they've grown in confidence and ability and developed their sound over the years to produce consistently brillant and challenging music

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10/2/2006 2:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by alameda quote: Originally posted by Rev Jules quote: Originally posted by alameda points taken jules, but c'mon - you can't compare steve reich to the immediate i think reich was a real innovator, some of the stuff he came up with was way ahead of it's time but he's been around since the dawn of time and has had decades to hone his style and develop his sound, whilst the immediate have only just released their debut album and are still learning their trade if the immediate haven't moved on and sound the same in 3/4 years time, THEN you might have a point Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html Fair point Jules but at the same time a lot of bands get better over time, FACT. Case in point Radiohead, first album -> two or three great songs and a lot of average ones, but with each passing album they've grown in confidence and ability and developed their sound over the years to produce consistently brillant and challenging music Hmm, dont quite agree there, 'the bends' was probably their best album and that was number 2, then came 'ok computer' after that a slow slide into electro noodling

milkman

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10/2/2006 3:07 PM
backlash anyone?

Rev Jules

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10/2/2006 3:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by milkman backlash anyone? Wait, before you all go off on me, let me go on from that. 'The Bends' was Radiohead's second album and one of the sacred cows of orthodox music journalism is 'difficult second album syndrome' but I think thats a myth, actually think I'll start a new topic on it. http://www.cluas.com/discussion/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7894

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10/2/2006 7:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Rev Jules [ Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to!

Daragh

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10/2/2006 8:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by jmc105 quote: Originally posted by Rev Jules [ Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to! cos if any kid tried to be in a band now, hed be "some self serving fker who can throw a few chords together but doesnt know st about life, man!" (thats not a dig at you, seems like ya got to cover your ass these days!)

Unicron

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10/2/2006 9:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Daragh quote: Originally posted by jmc105 quote: Originally posted by Rev Jules [ Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to! cos if any kid tried to be in a band now, hed be "some self serving fker who can throw a few chords together but doesnt know st about life, man!" When did we start talking about Bright Eyes?

jmc105

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10/3/2006 12:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by Daragh quote: Originally posted by jmc105 quote: Originally posted by Rev Jules [ Sorry age and senority have nothing to do with musical ability, case in in point Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, who was wowing audiences before he was 10 years of age http://www.mozartproject.org/biography/bi_61_65.html i don't think it's fair to use mozart as the standard of musical ability bands must measure up to! cos if any kid tried to be in a band now, hed be "some self serving fker who can throw a few chords together but doesnt know st about life, man!" (thats not a dig at you, seems like ya got to cover your ass these days!) i have my lawyer working on a non-liability clause - the cluas clause, if you will - which will be included in all my posts to indemnify me against any action that may arise from the content of said posts. this clause will, of course, remain the intellectual property of the entity known as 'jmc105', and any other poster seeking to use the clause, in its entirety or in part, notwithstanding the presence of the 'cluas' clause in their posts and the subsequent non-liability protection afforded by said clause, will be in breach of intellectual copyright. tick tacks no backs.

LupusMusic

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10/3/2006 3:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic How the fk can we get a thriving industry going here if people just feel free to take a half informed st on the best we have. we will have a thriving industry here when we have the bands who can make records to make the world beyond dublin bay sit up and pay attention I dont know u but i do appreciate the work u and your acts have put into your music to get this far. however, its not good enough. the director album is extremely weak (despite all the "work" u went on about) and i really doubt if there is a strong, coherent debut album in the marshalls as long as there has been even a biteen of a music industry here, various industry insiders have carped on about "negative comments" and "criticism" as reasons keeping the irish industry down. No, no, no. what keeps the irish music industry is the ha'penny place is the lack of bands with BRILLIANT SONGS, AMBITIONS, BELIEF and - yes, because u do need this as well - THE WILLINGNESS TO PUT IN HARD WORK BOTH HERE AND ABROAD. please dont play a game of smoke and mirrors by moaning about how we should all pull together and get the irish industry working. what that will result in is even more s**te irish bands being hyped and plamased here and then falling head over arse when they leave the country. we're far too soft on our own kind. once we start to excercise some quality control, we might get somewhere. Again, that is your opinion, which I disagree with as do the majority of people who have heard said music. Why you are getting mails from me my friend, is your two statments_ that one of my acts will not be released in the uk and the other will be dropped. (I don't personally mind that you think the rest of the bands actually selling records here are no good either, It kind of proves a point.) I think you should make an apology for statments like that they are both unfounded untrue and a pile of CACK and if you do represent a publication I'd like to see you put it in print. Good luck with that, make sure I get a copy. Also Posting that rubbish here in the guise of bob the builders cat doesn't take much balls now does it? I read a lot of rubbish even personal attacks on myself and mates in the industry. I don't normally get involved but when you think you can state that rubbish about two great bands and make sweeping statments on an industry many people are working hard to improve you need to be put in your place. To answer the rest of your comment Home markets are an important starting point. And bands release here before the uk because their profile often exceeds the UK well in advance. The time to release here comes quicker. For the first time we actually have five or six bands signed to the uk and touring and releasing there. I'd like to hear from one band member on this forum that would not like to be signed to an indie or major or if self releasing at least have the money to tour/market their record properly in the uk If you think that triple the amount of work won't go into the UK and Europe you are mad! Bands do not have a soft time here either that is complete childish crap. Airplay/press/Racking and retail support/ live fan base/marketing etc costs the same here in hours,money and effort and is hard won. If you had ever successfully done this you would know just how hard. Two of the bands you slated in the last week alone have returned from a gig in cork at 5 in the morning got up at nine for radio instore at lunch time into sound check and giged again that night. Which part of that do you think was an easy ride. On top of the set up advertising etc??? Your head has the only "very local" problem in this discussion. I'd hazzard a guess that you have no idea the set up it takes to release a record in the uk. So maybe you need to watch for a while and see what happens before you get back on that horse of yours. There is no smoke and mirriors. You are seeing a bunch of newly signed acts getting ready for next year abroad. All have played non stop in the UK last year and will continue to do so next year. I for one do know the effort and talent (not that you'll agree!!) of the artists working in and from this country at the moment and there will be success from these bands there already is. This is my last post on this. Richard Mc Donogh

Pilchard

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10/3/2006 3:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic quote: Originally posted by Pilchard quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic How the fk can we get a thriving industry going here if people just feel free to take a half informed st on the best we have. we will have a thriving industry here when we have the bands who can make records to make the world beyond dublin bay sit up and pay attention I dont know u but i do appreciate the work u and your acts have put into your music to get this far. however, its not good enough. the director album is extremely weak (despite all the "work" u went on about) and i really doubt if there is a strong, coherent debut album in the marshalls as long as there has been even a biteen of a music industry here, various industry insiders have carped on about "negative comments" and "criticism" as reasons keeping the irish industry down. No, no, no. what keeps the irish music industry is the ha'penny place is the lack of bands with BRILLIANT SONGS, AMBITIONS, BELIEF and - yes, because u do need this as well - THE WILLINGNESS TO PUT IN HARD WORK BOTH HERE AND ABROAD. please dont play a game of smoke and mirrors by moaning about how we should all pull together and get the irish industry working. what that will result in is even more s**te irish bands being hyped and plamased here and then falling head over arse when they leave the country. we're far too soft on our own kind. once we start to excercise some quality control, we might get somewhere. Again, that is your opinion, which I disagree with as do the majority of people who have heard said music. Why you are getting mails from me my friend, is your two statments_ that one of my acts will not be released in the uk and the other will be dropped. (I don't personally mind that you think the rest of the bands actually selling records here are no good either, It kind of proves a point.) I think you should make an apology for statments like that they are both unfounded untrue and a pile of CACK and if you do represent a publication I'd like to see you put it in print. Good luck with that, make sure I get a copy. Also Posting that rubbish here in the guise of bob the builders cat doesn't take much balls now does it? I read a lot of rubbish even personal attacks on myself and mates in the industry. I don't normally get involved but when you think you can state that rubbish about two great bands and make sweeping statments on an industry many people are working hard to improve you need to be put in your place. To answer the rest of your comment Home markets are an important starting point. And bands release here before the uk because their profile often exceeds the UK well in advance. The time to release here comes quicker. For the first time we actually have five or six bands signed to the uk and touring and releasing there. I'd like to hear from one band member on this forum that would not like to be signed to an indie or major or if self releasing at least have the money to tour/market their record properly in the uk If you think that triple the amount of work won't go into the UK and Europe you are mad! Bands do not have a soft time here either that is complete childish crap. Airplay/press/Racking and retail support/ live fan base/marketing etc costs the same here in hours,money and effort and is hard won. If you had ever successfully done this you would know just how hard. Two of the bands you slated in the last week alone have returned from a gig in cork at 5 in the morning got up at nine for radio instore at lunch time into sound check and giged again that night. Which part of that do you think was an easy ride. On top of the set up advertising etc??? Your head has the only "very local" problem in this discussion. I'd hazzard a guess that you have no idea the set up it takes to release a record in the uk. So maybe you need to watch for a while and see what happens before you get back on that horse of yours. There is no smoke and mirriors. You are seeing a bunch of newly signed acts getting ready for next year abroad. All have played non stop in the UK last year and will continue to do so next year. I for one do know the effort and talent (not that you'll agree!!) of the artists working in and from this country at the moment and there will be success from these bands there already is. This is my last post on this. Richard Mc Donogh 18 months from now, we will look back on 2006, with its bands like Humanzis and Directors and Marshalls and its threads like this, and wonder what all the fuss was about. this is my last post on this too pilchard (can we fix it? yes, we can)

jaypers

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10/3/2006 3:43 PM
Poor aul Pilchard put in his place there!!

roadhousemag

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10/3/2006 5:59 PM
personally, i think director and the marshalls are two of the most boring, unoriginal bands ever. no passion, no talent, no nothing.

Daragh

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10/3/2006 6:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by roadhousemag personally, i think director and the marshalls are two of the most boring, unoriginal bands ever. no passion, no talent, no nothing. i got to listen to these boys again!

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10/3/2006 10:41 PM
Personally I think defending these bands so rigorously against an unfavourable opinion of certain individuals on a message board reeks of anxiousness and uncertainty. If you had genuine confidence in the bands in question you would not let their opinion (an opinion that they are entitled to) rattle you so much. You would just let the music speak for itself and if it a good as you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about.

DanielP

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10/3/2006 10:50 PM
quote: Originally posted by Daragh quote: Originally posted by roadhousemag personally, i think director and the marshalls are two of the most boring, unoriginal bands ever. no passion, no talent, no nothing. i got to listen to these boys again! I read here alot but have never felt like posting before. This particular thread however has reeled me right in. I too got an advance copy and the album is very far from s**t. It's actually very very strong for a debut, not half as commercial as I thought it might be and probably the best of the new wave of signings. So go listen to it before you listen to a very vocal few here. As for the other bands, opinions are opinions, I reckon discussion is good but some of the comments go a little far and make less sense. DS

Daragh

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10/3/2006 11:03 PM
when is the album out? i was serious too, never knew much about either the directors or marshalls (think i knew the marshalls n wasnt too impressed) but the amount of passion thats gone into both sides has me wanting to hear them. fact is, music is subjective, being hard working is admirable (and in the most part an absolute necessity if you want to get your music out there) but at the end of the day i dont give two sts whether a band i end up hearing worked hard for it or not. Youre either going to like it or not. and being honest, its not really hard work is it, working your ass off for something you believe in is life (or art), it sure as fk aint subsistence farming in a landmine ridden field in cambodia.

DanielP

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10/3/2006 11:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by raoul Personally I think defending these bands so rigorously against an unfavourable opinion of certain individuals on a message board reeks of anxiousness and uncertainty. If you had genuine confidence in the bands in question you would not let their opinion (an opinion that they are entitled to) rattle you so much. You would just let the music speak for itself and if it a good as you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about. I know Richard, I can assure you not much rattles him but he was completely correct to reply to the two points he addressed in his last post. They both went far beyond opinion. In my opinion. That is! Also I'm not surprised he was a little vexed -that a list that pretty much was the running order of the Faction one cd was completely dismissed might just have been just a little annoying. I know he and Ken paid for the whole album out of their own pockets to get a few bands off the ground, so dissing the effort would certainly have grated. Where is faction 2 Rich? Ha! DS

Daragh

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10/4/2006 11:10 AM
i listened to the new director single there, i think its ok. Well put together n all, but doesnt really have that spark for me. Not half as bad as has been made out, but not rockin the world of minty!

roadhousemag

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10/4/2006 11:30 AM
this is a discussion board, so we can all argue and disagree etc..etc... i think delorentos are better than either the marshalls or director...i think channel one are better than most too...i think the rags front man has an ego the size of ron jeremy's lad, and i think mick pyro is the coolest front man in irish music. i have a question for people of cluas and this is genuine, where did the angels of mon go? and were they really here to start with??how did they win awards etc when they werent even in the public eye EVER.... the meteors with the tv3 people and glenda "what the fook have i ever done" and bands that nobody has heard of winning and celebrities that nobody has ever heard off being there etc...etc...are a bag of s**te...

Pol

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10/4/2006 11:37 AM
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is a discussion board, so we can all argue and disagree etc..etc... i think delorentos are better than either the marshalls or director...i think channel one are better than most too...i think the rags front man has an ego the size of ron jeremy's lad, and i think mick pyro is the coolest front man in irish music. i have a question for people of cluas and this is genuine, where did the angels of mon go? and were they really here to start with??how did they win awards etc when they werent even in the public eye EVER.... the meteors with the tv3 people and glenda "what the fook have i ever done" and bands that nobody has heard of winning and celebrities that nobody has ever heard off being there etc...etc...are a bag of s**te... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Id agree with everything you said there Roadhouse ,saw angels of mon once and i see the drummer on the luas alot ..he allways looks like hes been crying ..

Pilchard

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10/4/2006 11:45 AM
very good point roadhousemag man - whatever did happen to the Angels of Mon? i remember someone telling me that there were 40 A&R men to see them at some gig last year or the year before but nothing seemed to happen. their website hasnt been updated in over a year. some bright hope! shows that the Meteors really are the kiss of death - all those posing along glenda gilson. at least the first Choice Award winner julie feeney seems to be going from strength to strength - album picked up in the UK, amazing reviews over there already, US release set up for next year.

Pol

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10/4/2006 11:57 AM
Julie feeney has some great songs and she sounds good too , Id back her for a REAL irish up and coming .Also check out The Ruby Tailights

Mully

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10/4/2006 12:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard Angels of Mon I remember seeing them play a support slot in Rathfarnaham, the place that used to be Club Sarah. Before the came on, we were propping up the bar & the coversation went a little something like this. Angels of Mon are up next. Any good ? Not sure, only know the name. But isn't the leadsinger balling Juliette Lewis ? Really, fair play. Nah, you can keep her. Rotten, she is. I wouldn't touch her with yours. Just then the band are introduced, & the 3 lads beside us at the bar get up on stage !!

Flux

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10/4/2006 12:05 PM
Indeed. Caught the Ruby Taillights at the IMRO showcase in the Village during the summer and was well impressed. Very good tunage.

LupusMusic

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10/4/2006 12:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by DanielP quote: Originally posted by raoul Personally I think defending these bands so rigorously against an unfavourable opinion of certain individuals on a message board reeks of anxiousness and uncertainty. If you had genuine confidence in the bands in question you would not let their opinion (an opinion that they are entitled to) rattle you so much. You would just let the music speak for itself and if it a good as you say it is, then you have nothing to worry about. I know Richard, I can assure you not much rattles him but he was completely correct to reply to the two points he addressed in his last post. They both went far beyond opinion. In my opinion. That is! Also I'm not surprised he was a little vexed -that a list that pretty much was the running order of the Faction one cd was completely dismissed might just have been just a little annoying. I know he and Ken paid for the whole album out of their own pockets to get a few bands off the ground, so dissing the effort would certainly have grated. Where is faction 2 Rich? Ha! DS Faction 2 eh? We are actually looking at putting it together now. Well now, that would be some positive list making wouldn't it? So what would be your ideal album for a Faction 2 ? - bands and tracks. Irish only Unreleased only. Top 14 in no particular order. The Criteria is simple must have their own recordings, be decent live for the tour and have a shot at selling records. Faction one has now gone gold if you can believe that not bad for 12 demos.So who do you think would make up a good Jan 2007 album representing Irish music today? Let me know? Rich

jaypers

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10/4/2006 12:42 PM
I reckon theres a lot of unsigned bands that wouldnt bother to be honest. It seems a lot of bands are releasing albums etc independantly at the moment.

Man in a can

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10/4/2006 12:43 PM
Thats mad, you just reminded me of my dream last night, i was im a flat i dont recognise now and i was listening to the Ruby Taillights. Whats even stranger i have never heard them except for the occasional mention here. Some guy in my dream was playing them and they were good. Have they any releases?????

Flux

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10/4/2006 1:01 PM
Here's 14; Butterfly Explosion Crayonsmith The Star Department The Terribles Sickboy Glenwash (cough) Agitated Radio Pilot Mirakil Whip TwinKranes Patrick Freyne & His Bad Intentions The Ruby Taillights Groom The Hollows Stagger Lee ...dunno if any of em'd fit in with Faction's commercial agenda however.

Pol

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10/4/2006 1:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr5j8SyD3rI check this RD song out its sweet! kinda like a mix of stars and the shins ,they defo have somthing .

LupusMusic

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10/4/2006 1:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Flux Here's 14; Butterfly Explosion Crayonsmith The Star Department The Terribles Sickboy Glenwash Agitated Radio Pilot Mirakil Whip TwinKranes Patrick Freyne & His Bad Intentions The Ruby Taillights Groom The Hollows Stagger Lee ...dunno if any of em'd fit in with Faction's commercial agenda however. Faction has no real commercial agenda. It's a springboard label. Selling the record is to pay for it,do a tour, break even and do another. Haven't heard of a few of these are they all on myspace would also be interested to hear which tracks you think are best.

Flux

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10/4/2006 1:21 PM
I see. Sounds very noble! I'd say they're all on Myspace, aye. Check 'em out, these are what I'd reckon are their strongest tiúns. Butterfly Explosion - Car Park Crayonsmith - Lock-in The Star Department - Flickering Lights The Terribles - Those Songs Sickboy - The Atune Glenwash - Bring It On A.R.P. - Your Turn to go it Alone Mirakil Whip - Yossarian Lives TwinKranes - Plateau P.Freyne - On the Trail Ruby Taillights - Switch Groom - Codebreakers The Hollows - Eventually Stagger Lee - Misery River

Unicron

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10/4/2006 1:23 PM
I was at the Ruby Sessions about 6 months ago and one of the guys playing was introduced as "ex-angels of mons" so either he left or they've split.

roadhousemag

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10/4/2006 2:19 PM
cool, i wonder if they will get the meteor for "most prince like comeback as different name but nobody cares" category and then they'll get to meet Mr Mark Cagney from tv3 the "celebrity presenter"....ah.... the first choice idea is a great concept and will hopefully get a big push this year...

Pilchard

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10/4/2006 5:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic quote: Originally posted by Flux Here's 14; Butterfly Explosion Crayonsmith The Star Department The Terribles Sickboy Glenwash Agitated Radio Pilot Mirakil Whip TwinKranes Patrick Freyne & His Bad Intentions The Ruby Taillights Groom The Hollows Stagger Lee ...dunno if any of em'd fit in with Faction's commercial agenda however. Faction has no real commercial agenda. It's a springboard label. Selling the record is to pay for it,do a tour, break even and do another. Haven't heard of a few of these are they all on myspace would also be interested to hear which tracks you think are best. HOLD ON A SECOND HERE! will cluas get a credit for all this FREE a&r work? Whats the connection between the last Faction album and Universal Ireland? Is there a similar connection for this forthcoming album? are bands managed or handled by Lupus more likely to get on the compilation? make sure STAGGER LEE are on it - Stagger Lee are the coolest band in the land, especially the bassist. or is it the singer?

Rev Jules

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10/4/2006 8:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard HOLD ON A SECOND HERE! will cluas get a credit for all this FREE a&r work? The credit ? Hell no. The brickbats ? Hell yes.

dera

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10/5/2006 12:19 AM
quote: Originally posted by Flux The Hollows I've not read this thread, so sorry to be jumping in now. Not that my knowledge of unsigned/independent/DIY Irish bands is encyclopaedic, but to my mind what differentiates a band like the Hollows from some others mentioned here (thinking of the Immediate or whoever) is that they're writers - poets. I think maybe that gets overlooked or seen as silly or whatever in an environment of striving for a modern, commercial, indie sound, but I really think that's the reason someone will cherish a record, the way something lasting is made, and it's where (again to my mind) many Irish bands fall down. I don't think it's really something that can be remedied - you have something to say or you don't. It's one of the reasons I've stuck with the Frames for so long, actually, against growing commonsense - they had something to say about the world, about people. They had a writer with effortless sincerity. (Had being the sad part). So to a certain extent, I find the whole 'promising', 'exciting live band' thing a bit ephemeral, or missing the point maybe. Alternative isn't just the guitar sound..

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10/5/2006 1:48 PM
HOLD ON A SECOND HERE! will cluas get a credit for all this FREE a&r work? Whats the connection between the last Faction album and Universal Ireland? Is there a similar connection for this forthcoming album? are bands managed or handled by Lupus more likely to get on the compilation? make sure STAGGER LEE are on it - Stagger Lee are the coolest band in the land, especially the bassist. or is it the singer? It's the guitarist

_Colm_

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10/5/2006 2:58 PM
jeeze....give these bands a bit of time. Lot of bands getting signed in ireland atm....seems to be becoming a kinda tester market for the UK....which feels a little strange. bit of cash.......few song...few friends...bit of know how....BOOM....ya've got yourself an album. don't ya think? PIER NINETEEN www.myspace.com/p19

hearty

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10/5/2006 7:58 PM
quote: Originally posted by Flux Butterfly Explosion - Car Park Crayonsmith - Lock-in The Star Department - Flickering Lights The Terribles - Those Songs Sickboy - The Atune Glenwash - Bring It On A.R.P. - Your Turn to go it Alone Mirakil Whip - Yossarian Lives TwinKranes - Plateau P.Freyne - On the Trail Ruby Taillights - Switch Groom - Codebreakers The Hollows - Eventually Stagger Lee - Misery River had a listen. thought the sickboy and the stagger lee songs were quite good, but kinda generic. (no offence to either band). i thought a lot of the rest were quite poor to be honest. (couldn't listen to twin kranes or p.freyne) surely these bands aren't the best ireland to offer? perhaps there are more songs? have no hesitation in recommending! Gar

hearty

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10/5/2006 8:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard make sure STAGGER LEE are on it - Stagger Lee are the coolest band in the land, especially the bassist. or is it the singer? there is a lot of hot air on this thread about stagger lee... are there members of the band on this board?

roadhousemag

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10/6/2006 8:55 AM
shame you couldnt listen to twin cranes, saw them support hybrasil a couple of months ago, great stuff. three guys, and lots of colourful noise....drummer/vocalist looks alot like a young jimmy saville/chris tarrant...brilliant stuff

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10/6/2006 9:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by hearty quote: Originally posted by Pilchard make sure STAGGER LEE are on it - Stagger Lee are the coolest band in the land, especially the bassist. or is it the singer? there is a lot of hot air on this thread about stagger lee... are there members of the band on this board? hahah yeah - just a bit o friendly banter! Twinkranes are excellent - try give them a listen Also Channel One the best thing to do - considering its just around the corner - would be to check out as many bands at HWCH - see them in action n all that.

roadhousemag

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10/6/2006 12:46 PM
defo, should be a good un, simple kid playing it this year as far as i am aware?? anyone know who the annual "special" guest/s is/are?

benni

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10/6/2006 12:49 PM
PEACHES is playing - thats the one that caught my attention the most!

Daragh

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10/6/2006 1:30 PM
aye im looking forward to peaches too, gotta s**tload of bands i want to see, but gonna miss saturday, which,like, totally sucks.

Flux

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10/7/2006 1:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearty surely these bands aren't the best ireland to offer? perhaps there are more songs? have no hesitation in recommending! Gar I'm not an expert on Irish music at all, having ignored it for years due to the putrid stench off most of what I did hear (Bell X1, Paddy Casey, The Frames, Mundy et al), but there are definitely a few gems around, most of them on micro-labels well below the radar of the average consumer in this country. It could be that there is no upcoming Irish band/artist at the moment who is mindblowingly good/developed enough and will succeed in doing well abroad, but IMO there are a few dark horses with a lot of potential. I suppose all they can do is keep plugging away.

sleepyglasseye

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10/7/2006 8:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Flux Here's 14; Butterfly Explosion Crayonsmith The Star Department The Terribles Sickboy Glenwash (cough) Agitated Radio Pilot Mirakil Whip TwinKranes Patrick Freyne & His Bad Intentions The Ruby Taillights Groom The Hollows Stagger Lee ...dunno if any of em'd fit in with Faction's commercial agenda however. I think The Butterfly Explosion recordings are very good, especially if you like your MBV. Seen Crayonsmith and Star Department at The Boom Boom Room a little while ago and both were excellent. Twinkranes had dodgy sound when I saw them but there's defo something there. Really like some of Ruby Taillights, The Hollows & Glenwash recordings and will catch them live ASAP. Lookin forward to seeing Patrick Freynes soon too, he used to be with NPB & El Diablio i hear...hmmm. Alot of those recordings mentioned are fairly lo-fi/shoegaze stuff. If you're not into that stuff then you mightn't get it. Ditto, if you just have a quick listen, you're probably not gone to get it.

LupusMusic

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10/7/2006 10:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pilchard quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic quote: Originally posted by Flux Here's 14; Butterfly Explosion Crayonsmith The Star Department The Terribles Sickboy Glenwash Agitated Radio Pilot Mirakil Whip TwinKranes Patrick Freyne & His Bad Intentions The Ruby Taillights Groom The Hollows Stagger Lee ...dunno if any of em'd fit in with Faction's commercial agenda however. Faction has no real commercial agenda. It's a springboard label. Selling the record is to pay for it,do a tour, break even and do another. Haven't heard of a few of these are they all on myspace would also be interested to hear which tracks you think are best. HOLD ON A SECOND HERE! will cluas get a credit for all this FREE a&r work? Whats the connection between the last Faction album and Universal Ireland? Is there a similar connection for this forthcoming album? are bands managed or handled by Lupus more likely to get on the compilation? make sure STAGGER LEE are on it - Stagger Lee are the coolest band in the land, especially the bassist. or is it the singer? Universal distributed the album for us could have been Warners or an independant or whoever. It would be great if they agreed to do it again. Lupus only manages Director The Marshals Gavin Friday and Michael Beinhorn so no unless in the process of putting the record together we find something we love and want to work on it's not so much to do with the Management company.

Peaches

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10/9/2006 11:49 AM
quote: Originally posted by benni PEACHES is playing - thats the one that caught my attention the most! B, is this true? 'Cause I was told this last night and then told 'twas in jest..please say it's truuuuue? X

benni

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10/9/2006 12:30 PM
YES You are playing Hard Working Clas Heroes!

Peaches

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10/9/2006 12:45 PM
quote: Originally posted by benni YES You are playing Hard Working Clas Heroes! Great,super-gissa shot of yer guna from saturday night then..wanna look well rappo

fuuckofflibertine

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10/9/2006 7:52 PM
saw a band called zealots a few months ago, they were excellent but i haven't been able to see any of their gigs recently also heard the spikes were pretty good.. anyone know?

blacksheep

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10/10/2006 9:54 AM
Flux wrote: I'm not an expert on Irish music at all, having ignored it for years due to the putrid stench off most of what I did hear (Bell X1, Paddy Casey, The Frames, Mundy et al), but there are definitely a few gems around, most of them on micro-labels well below the radar of the average consumer in this country. I think the phrase "putrid stench" is pretty harsh.You may not like their music however all the acts you mentioned have been very helpful to other Irish artists with supports,advice etc. They deserve a bit more respect than that.

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10/10/2006 10:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by blacksheep Flux wrote: I'm not an expert on Irish music at all, having ignored it for years due to the putrid stench off most of what I did hear (Bell X1, Paddy Casey, The Frames, Mundy et al), but there are definitely a few gems around, most of them on micro-labels well below the radar of the average consumer in this country. I think the phrase "putrid stench" is pretty harsh.You may not like their music however all the acts you mentioned have been very helpful to other Irish artists with supports,advice etc. They deserve a bit more respect than that. Also most of them do wash regularly.

hearty

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10/12/2006 1:42 PM
bell x1 are a very talented band, as are the frames. it is a shame these acts have a lot of people who hate them, as is their right, but it sometimes feels people don't like them because they're irish as opposed to their musical output.

madra

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10/19/2006 11:54 AM
heh all, i have to say that all the above strikes me as some what sad. ye all go on about irish bands being good enough to go international. since when has that stopped any irish band before. im in a band myself and to be perfectly honest its more about luck and image than it is songs. international my balls. snow patrol for fk sake. i could pick ten of my mates who could write that album in their bed in 2o min. if they were only coming out thru the irish scene now people would do the same thing on this forum and say they are ste and they will never make it internationally. personally, im ok with someone saying a band is ste etc... it just shows the intelligence levels of the writer. if ye are jounalists i would choose another career cause you aint making it in your prefered option and thats not an opinion thats a fact. i could see it now. you first big review in some national paper. your big break and your review "its a st album". The editor would be thrilled. listen i dont want to get into an argument about how good or bad an album is by an irish band. How about getting into one about your ability to use the beautiful english language to promote bands you do like. I purchased the Director album the other day and to be honest i was amazed by the guys ability to write top class tunes. I dont know them but hats off. Its a feckin great album. The immediate album = top class. Republic of loose =top class. See that was not that hard. No mention of st bands anywhere. Basically what im trying to say is that you should'nt take out your childhood or maybe adulthood frustrations out on some poor band trying to earn their crust. Maybe concentrate harder on becoming more affluent with the english language so one day you may be able to write something productive and intersting that may be of benefit to society and indeed forums such as these. I understand you may have been bullied as a kid or even as an adult but you can get help for that. You should try smiling, i find that helps . im not defending the irish music scene. i dont care what you say about these bands i think they all feckin rock and as a previous writer said, how about ye form a band and use your expert knowledge to make it internationally. Or try go into music production. the world is crying out for people like ye. actaully, how about ye save the irish music scene or maybe just fk off and live your miserable lives somewhere else. those of ye nice people who feel the same as me. kisses

Unicron

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10/20/2006 10:54 AM
If an album is ste sometimes you just need to say that it's ste.

roadhousemag

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10/20/2006 11:07 AM
agreed, whats the name of your band madra? you never know you could be sh*te too...only kiddin

diego_maradona

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10/20/2006 11:43 AM
madra is ardam backwards. we all need to sit back and reflect on this

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10/20/2006 11:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by diego_maradona madra is ardam backwards. we all need to sit back and reflect on this stE! i saw the da vinci code, we're all fked!

roadhousemag

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10/20/2006 11:49 AM
its also an anagram for drama........jaysus

raoul

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10/20/2006 12:55 PM
madra, people on this forum are just as entitled to their opinion as you are yours.

hearty

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10/20/2006 1:07 PM
Whenever a band feels its has been hard done by on these boards new accounts appear defending the said band. It begins to get stupid. no-one is making fun of anyone or slagging them off, i merely asked the question of whether it is reasonable to expect bands to succeed from ireland. i went to see director last night as it happened, and while obviously talented songwriters and musicians they didn't excite me, and i didn't feel they could have. this is my opinion at the moment, and i wish them all the best, and i will be the first to say if and when my opinion changes, but i have every right to say it without being attacked for it.

roadhousemag

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10/20/2006 2:11 PM
hear hear. i would say that them being on the cover of nme would be far more justified than humanzi tho... that has set the tone of nme ireland for me i have to say. b4 humanzi lovers lynch me...i just dont think they are the hottest band in the country right now..the band currently at number 2 in the charts (direcor) are..and i dont even like THEM either....

Dromed

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10/20/2006 2:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by hearty no-one is making fun of anyone or slagging them off Have you not read the last 12 pages of this thread?

roadhousemag

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10/20/2006 2:47 PM
making fun, slagging....c'mon if you wanna make a living standin on a stage singing songs then slaggin is the worst of yer worries... try being a comedian...get a grip...the point of a forum is for people to express opinion about things...sometimes people will slag and take the pss...as long as there is no maliciousness in it and nobody's family gets chased outta town whats the harm? some records are s*te...some bands look like fookin idiots and sound like em too..this isnt the fookin oprah board for giving the musicians of ireland an emotional lift....

benni

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10/20/2006 2:49 PM
- WHEN DID THIS LITTLE MOFO ARRIVE?

roadhousemag

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10/20/2006 2:51 PM
dunno just saw it there and clicked on it....

Una

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10/20/2006 2:52 PM
it came in the last shipment

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Flux

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10/22/2006 1:52 AM
"becoming more affluent with the english language" - Madra, sir, you are the dog's bollocks.

madra

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10/28/2006 11:01 AM
sorry if i came across abit aggresively in my previous post. i really am surprised i got so wound up. was havin a s**te day i suppose. i reckon my biggest hope is that the irish scene can prosper cause lets face it, the uk music scene right now is horrendous. each band is a clone of the next. at least in ireland that is not the case. not all bands are great but from what i have been hearing most irish bands do not mirror each other which has to be good. im not trying to advocate some form of support group for the irish music scene but these bands releasing albums presently in ireland are only starting. these are debut albums. it does take a while for bands to nail their trade but i do believe that bands should be nurtured here rather than abused. im sure we all want a strong music scene in our country and we are all entilted to our opinions , i just feel that all bands here should be given a chance. ok, you may not like their first album but what if their next one rocks your socks off. patience is of course a virtue none more so than in music. look at radiohead. their first album to be fair was not up to much, then their second album was possibly the best rock/indie album of our generation. anyhoo, its good to talk. peace

milkman

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10/30/2006 3:29 PM
funny thing is, all the stupid nationalism regarding music does no-one any good. who gives a s**t about local bands over any other? i'd never buy a band over another due to their nationality. thats just dumb. we're too close, too critical, too lienient, too analitical, too quick to write off and too quick to hype in equal measure.

aidan

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10/30/2006 6:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by madra these bands releasing albums presently in ireland are only starting. these are debut albums. it does take a while for bands to nail their trade but i do believe that bands should be nurtured here rather than abused. im sure we all want a strong music scene in our country and we are all entilted to our opinions , i just feel that all bands here should be given a chance. ok, you may not like their first album but what if their next one rocks your socks off. patience is of course a virtue none more so than in music. Re: patience - agreed. I can think of some bands (Irish and bands from all over the world) who should have spent more time rehearsing and writing before they released their debut albums. Re: supporting Irish bands - agreed. However, we should support Irish acts if/because they're good, not because they're Irish. There are plenty of great Irish acts (this year I've loved Simple Kid and the 'Loose and Stagger Lee and Delorentos and 66e and....you probably love completely different acts). They only earn and deserve our support if they're good, not because 'ah sure they're one of our own and we shouldn't be begrudging'. Why should we (the audience/record buyers) drop our standards for an Irish band? We don't, of course - otherwise we'd all be buying Enya records to show how proud we are of her. So, less talk about cutting Irish bands some slack - if anything we (the audience/record buyers) should be demanding. As Roadhousemag said, anyone standing on a stage is setting themselves up to be slagged off (it's the same for people posting and writing here, isn't it?) and the only way to avoid it is by doing their job properly i.e. making the best bloody music possible. Which is, of course, a completely relative and subjective thing - hence reviews and discussion boards. Great, isn't it?

madra

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10/30/2006 7:30 PM
take this analogy for a sec, the irish soccer team are horrendous. they embarass their country with the way they have been playing recently. however, i and hundreds of thousands of irish people still support and love them because they are irish and we still follow them around the world. i know music is a different entity but i really think ye are taking this way too seriously. i personally think there are an array of irish bands out there at the moment that could be massive internationally and thats not cause i love their music its because nowadays the music scene internationally is poor and if the likes of t he oc friendly snow patrol can make it anyone can. director, the blizzards , the loose etc.. these are all acts who have a chance and maybe im being a bit of a twat but id much rather support them than some pouncie faggoty north london band with ste songs and even worse attitiudes. sorry for being patriotic but its the truth. i want these acts to make it cause im proud of where im from and i like seeing people from this country succeed. so please, stop with this bullste about not taking it easy on irish acts. thats not and never has been the point. just be patienced with these acts cause u never know what they may produce and im sure you would like to see a world class album come out of ireland at some stage. who knows... trust me bands that read about themselves negatively on forums such as these do lose confidence when someone comes on and says they are s**te. it may be against your beliefs but cut them abit of slack and give them time and yes, do it cause they are irish.

nerraw

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10/30/2006 7:56 PM
If a band are ste, they are ste. I've only time for good bands.

madra

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11/2/2006 12:42 AM
amazing statement. my god your an intelligent chap. high fives.

Pandora

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11/2/2006 12:57 AM
I blame Hotpress for championing st bands ie. Blizzards, Director, Marshals, Humanzi. They're all Irelands "Great White Hopes", and have been for too long now. Record companies pay Hotpress for advertising. Hotpress, in turn, rave about the companies bands. Before we know it everybody is talking about these st bands. No hope for the good bands unless they're signed. Spondulies make the music world go around! Such is life... The only true section in Hotpress is First Cuts by Jackie Hayden. The rest is articles that have been paid for indirectly

madra

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11/2/2006 12:32 PM
pandora you really have it all sussed out. thats exactly what happens. record companies go and spend their money on an irish magazine to make sure they get rave reviews. thats exactly where their money goes. seriously, in this statement you do not come across as a begrudger at all. im taking a guess here, maybe im wrong but heh. are you or one of your friends in an incredibly crap band that cant get any love in hot press or any other publication for that matter. do you think that they are the best band ever and that no one will give them a break. maybe there is a reason fot that. they are really ste. let me put it to you this way. no band that get signed, record an album and get printed in the media are crap. they may not be your cup of tea but bands get signed for a reason. in some form they are very fkin good. i myself am in a band that i think are ok but we dont deserve any more than we get cause we dont work hard enough at it. its a bit of fun. bands that get signed work bloody hard to get to that point and i personally respect bands that make it that far. i certainly dont sit in my room wondering why these bands are getting all the love and we get nothin. we dont deserve it and they do simple as that. so pandora, before you go making statements such as these, try consider what your sayin and how it comes across. whatever does go on its got nothing to do with the bands. thats business, so try not hold it against the bands themselves. and just for the record, i think some of these bands debuts albums are fantatsic and could easily work in the uk.

Una

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11/2/2006 12:42 PM
"bands get signed for a reason. in some form they are very f**kin good. " bands get signed if the people who are signing them think they will sell records and make them money.

nerraw

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11/2/2006 1:02 PM
A lot of anger there madra. Some Irish signed bands are horrendous. Bands, as Una points out, get signed to make record labels pots of cash. It's the only way you can explain some of the crap on radio. Some magazines give good reviews in exchange for not pissing off the record label and lose ad revenue where most of their money comes from. Whelans/Village pulled all their Ads from Hotpress after hotpress took them to the high court. It happens

Pandora

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11/2/2006 1:08 PM
Madra, you've written a lot of bullst on this thread so I'm not going to take anything you say to heart. I'm not a musician, I don't know too many people in bands and, either way, it's not my motivation for writing what i genuinely do think. I'm sick of reading about the same no-hopers all the time. I could name twenty bands that are better than the ones that are being thrown in our faces all the time. It's my opinion and I don't give two fks what you think dude. Because you're just a dim-wit.

PeterQuaife

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11/2/2006 2:44 PM
"dim-wit" - sinking lower still with name calling...remember, stay classy PQ

Pandora

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11/2/2006 2:53 PM
That's not sinking low! I could sink very low...it's in reference to the silly comments being made by Madra. I respect your observation though.

Dromed

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11/2/2006 2:57 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pandora I could name twenty bands that are better than the ones that are being thrown in our faces all the time. Go on so.....

dermot_trellis

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11/2/2006 3:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Pandora I could name twenty bands that are better than the ones that are being thrown in our faces all the time. Go on so..... Exactly - it'd be a hell of a lot more interesting hearing about bands you actually like rather than this tedious crap..

mattso

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11/2/2006 3:32 PM
kinda funny, this madra chap comes on and accuses posters here of being bitter, whether it be because they were bullied in school or they are in a crap band that can't get press etc, when on this thread alone he sounds more bitter than anyone else....cause people have opinions? aint got the patience to read through all the long ranting but "bands get signed for a reason. in some form they are very fkin good"? Yes, Westlife are f**king rides, i'd give that Cian chap a good rodgering if i ever met him. matt

PeterQuaife

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11/2/2006 5:22 PM
oh sailor...Cian's cane

madra

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11/2/2006 11:53 PM
just had a read through my threads there dude and im finding it extremly hard to find my bitter edge shine through. those that know me would tell you the last thing i am is bitter. im the most optimistic chap going your just taking this out of context. im going to try make my point one last time, not cause i have to, just cause i want you to get what im saying. first, to say a band is ste is fundamentally saying that they cant play their instruments, they cant write songs, the singer cant sing, they look like they were raped by the cookie monster etc... clearly a band that releases an album is none of the above (even most boy bands can sing). however, to say a band is not exactly my cup of tea is bang on. thats an opinion dude. not that a band is ste. obviously there are people out there who may think otherwise and thats all im saying. music is business. its a juggernaut of a business that cant be stopped and either you play ball or you get run over. thats the fact. the good old days of the mick jaggers and bowies is gone. the music industry has evolved (for the worst) due to many reasons but mainly the internet. thats why you may be subjected to music you dont pariculary like. we are being bombarded with it from very angle in the hope the new beatles may come around and save the industry. this may never happen but if it does, i hope its a f**king irish band which brings me to my last point. maybe there are irish bands ye do not think are good, but what happens if this band you dont like matures with their second album and ends up writing an international masterpiece that even morrissey himself approves of and more importantly you like. im not saying to pretend a band is good if you dont believe that. what im saying is give these guys a chance to see if they can pull off something special and yes, do it because they are irish. if after their second album you still believe its going nowhere, then by all means say what you want. i would never look down on someone cause of their opinions and i would never suggest a person change their opinion im just saying try and be slightly more constructive with them. for example. "im not really into them but i can see what some people may see in them. they have a good singer but its very commercial and boring." maybe im wrong but this my friends is my opinion, try look for the good in bands rather than the not so good or put differently try look for the potential in them. anyway, nite nite

raoul

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11/3/2006 12:12 AM
i'm sensing a collective cringe right about now...

Pandora

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11/3/2006 4:04 AM
Amen to that Raoul.

PeterQuaife

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11/3/2006 12:14 PM
for whats its worth, i whole heartedly 2nd what Madra is trying to say. Makes for much better reading then 'they are sh!te', music snobbery / begrudgery is rife in this forum grrrrr.... PQ

madra

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11/3/2006 1:20 PM
thank you dude, its all im trying to say.

Pandora

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11/3/2006 1:53 PM
It aint worth a lot PQ...

Pandora

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11/3/2006 2:10 PM
quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Pandora I could name twenty bands that are better than the ones that are being thrown in our faces all the time. Go on so..... Here are twenty bands that i believe are better than the ste being thrown in our faces by ste major labels who know nothing about music...: 1.Mighty Stef 2.The Guggenheim Grotto 3.The Chapters 4.Jaded Sun 5.Oppenheimer 6.Superjimenez 7.Les Bien 8.The Rags 9.Sickboy 10.My Cordoruy 11.Angel Pier 12.Echogram 13.Tadgh Cooke 14.MJEX 15.Waiting Room 16.Vesta Varro 17.Delorentos 18.The Gorgeous Colours 19.Fast Emperors 20.Madra's Band Any comments....?

Dromed

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11/3/2006 2:55 PM
So if one or more of those listed bands get signed by the major labels that know nothing about music does that mean they get relegated to the 's**te' list too?

Pandora

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11/3/2006 3:04 PM
I would like to think that they wouldn't, no, but don't forget that major labels take a lot of the artists creative control away from them in which case it could be quite possible that their style/sound/direction may change. They make bands demo material again and again and again until they think it's ready to be released. Bands just go with it unless they have the balls to stand up for themselves...

Pandora

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11/3/2006 3:08 PM
PS, by "s**te major labels who know nothing about music", i'm referring to yer univerals and atlantics who seem to have gone on a signing spree in the last year. Bastards. Anyone really think that they're going to push 5/6 new bands? Not likely...they'll give them all one album/couple of singles and push the one band that does the best for them financially...

LupusMusic

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11/4/2006 2:56 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pandora I blame Hotpress for championing st bands ie. Blizzards, Director, Marshals, Humanzi. They're all Irelands "Great White Hopes", and have been for too long now. Record companies pay Hotpress for advertising. Hotpress, in turn, rave about the companies bands. Before we know it everybody is talking about these st bands. No hope for the good bands unless they're signed. Spondulies make the music world go around! Such is life... The only true section in Hotpress is First Cuts by Jackie Hayden. The rest is articles that have been paid for indirectly Don't know about that They give out hard reviews as well as supportive ones, depends on who you get on your review and what they like. They have supported all of the above far before signing and bear in mind the bands don't have cash to advertise until they release their albums. There are as many bad or mediocre reviews as good ones for said record companies acts every edition. So I don't agree. What they do tend to do is if they see a band working hard and they like the music they will get in behind that act and be supportive. HP's readership is in Ireland and the music community is a big part of that readership why wouldn't they write about local success surely it's more relavent than covering New Rave in London. I pick it up to find new bands as do others. Nothin wrong with an irish music mag reporting on what's happening in Ireland? It's like anything else in the industry and any other industry, if you push you might get a mention, if you keep improving people talk, if you advance you are news! We don't have many media outlets who will support local acts. Here's to hoping the new nme section bridges the radar gap for the UK too. R R

LupusMusic

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11/4/2006 2:59 AM
quote: Originally posted by Pandora quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Pandora I could name twenty bands that are better than the ones that are being thrown in our faces all the time. Go on so..... Here are twenty bands that i believe are better than the ste being thrown in our faces by ste major labels who know nothing about music...: 1.Mighty Stef 2.The Guggenheim Grotto 3.The Chapters 4.Jaded Sun 5.Oppenheimer 6.Superjimenez 7.Les Bien 8.The Rags 9.Sickboy 10.My Cordoruy 11.Angel Pier 12.Echogram 13.Tadgh Cooke 14.MJEX 15.Waiting Room 16.Vesta Varro 17.Delorentos 18.The Gorgeous Colours 19.Fast Emperors 20.Madra's Band Any comments....? Would be interesting to find out how many of the above would turn down a deal! So lets say they sign, Would that then make them the s**t that's pushed in your face

mattso

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11/4/2006 5:26 AM
"The only true section in Hotpress is First Cuts by Jackie Hayden." ...oh good god, you gotta be taking the piss, the auld dude aint got a breeze about contemporary alternative music, he likes bands who write 3 minute pop sings that sound like picture house. cant believe they still have him writing reviews

nonemoreblack

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11/4/2006 1:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by LupusMusic quote: Originally posted by Pandora quote: Originally posted by Dromed quote: Originally posted by Pandora I could name twenty bands that are better than the ones that are being thrown in our faces all the time. Go on so..... Here are twenty bands that i believe are better than the ste being thrown in our faces by ste major labels who know nothing about music...: 1.Mighty Stef 2.The Guggenheim Grotto 3.The Chapters 4.Jaded Sun 5.Oppenheimer 6.Superjimenez 7.Les Bien 8.The Rags 9.Sickboy 10.My Cordoruy 11.Angel Pier 12.Echogram 13.Tadgh Cooke 14.MJEX 15.Waiting Room 16.Vesta Varro 17.Delorentos 18.The Gorgeous Colours 19.Fast Emperors 20.Madra's Band Any comments....? Would be interesting to find out how many of the above would turn down a deal! So lets say they sign, Would that then make them the s**t that's pushed in your face Gugganheim Grotto have a big deal already.

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